Test Fat

**TheMudMan** · 11-16-2003, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by Ntpadude

I think you all are assuming your water gain is fat, post cycle this stuff melts away quickly. If you get some muscle growth activity it takes like an enourmous amount of calaries to grow a pound of muscle, like 3500 calaries but that has to be above and beyond your maintenance calaries.

You're right a lot of the times people will assume the water for fat........... I can look at my body and tell if it's fat or bloat from eatting and the gear......... plus the feeling I get when bloated........ I can now sympathies when weomen talk about how bloated they feel

**TheMudMan** · 11-16-2003, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by VforVendetta

Mud, thx for posting your diets...one question: generally what are the intervals between meals? 2 hrs or so?

thx..

No problem............ Yep the bulking one is about every 2 hours and the cutting is about every 2.5 to 3.

**jpmacco** · 12-12-2003, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by TheMudMan

Right there's no way that you will not put some fat on while bulking........... but putting on way more fat then muscle is not my idea of bulking............ when it comes time for me to cut I want it to be as easy as possible.

What about eating foods with a sugar substitute like splenda? Could you use this in a diet like yours?

Thanks.

**TheSevnthWarrior** · 12-12-2003, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by jpmacco

What about eating foods with a sugar substitute like splenda? Could you use this in a diet like yours?

Thanks.

Splenda is by far the best of the bad boys IMO.
Aspartame...though I intake bazzillions of grams of it annually, is Evil.

**Animal Cracker** · 12-12-2003, 12:52 PM

All about the diet!

**Troyboy** · 12-12-2003, 01:26 PM

the excess estrogen on a test cycle can make u pack on some fat. w00t.

**TheMudMan** · 12-12-2003, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by jpmacco

What about eating foods with a sugar substitute like splenda? Could you use this in a diet like yours?

Thanks.

I use a packet or two in my oatmeal ED.

**Troyboy** · 12-12-2003, 01:34 PM

excess estrogen can make you fat.

**TheMudMan** · 12-12-2003, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by Troyboy

excess estrogen can make you fat.

Yes it can but it's not the test making you fat and also thats why you would use anti-e's like nolva and l-dex to help keep that type of fat from comming up.

**BigSexy50** · 12-12-2003, 01:53 PM

Hey Mud, when you are adding Flaxseed Oil, what amount are you adding ?? A teespoon, a tablespoon ??
Also, when you say 1 chicken breast do you mean one whole breast with the two halves, or just one side ??

**groverman1** · 12-12-2003, 02:07 PM

Mud is right. There is a huge difference in clean cals and ****ty cals. Hell a person can consume 3000 cals of pop and chips all day will it make him grow? That is why one should have their diet together before cycling. I am a hypocrite because I have had lapses during my cycle and I have paid dearly. The extra bloat brcause I didnt watch my sodium intake and some occasionally bad eating. Oh well I have learned.It is all about DIET.

**cjp85** · 12-12-2003, 02:23 PM

Also, how did you get your bodyfat
% tested? If you are holding a lot of water, Im pretty sure it affects the readings on the calliper tests.

**jpmacco** · 12-12-2003, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by TheMudMan

I use a packet or two in my oatmeal ED.

What about protein shakes? Do you take the no carb 100% protein ones?

**TheMudMan** · 12-12-2003, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by cjp85

Also, how did you get your bodyfat
% tested? If you are holding a lot of water, Im pretty sure it affects the readings on the calliper tests.

I get mine tested by the same trainer and he uses calipers.

Yes water will give false readings...... I get my bf tested before my cycle and then a month or so after PCT..... by then I have the all bloat gone from the cycle.

**TheMudMan** · 12-12-2003, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by jpmacco

What about protein shakes? Do you take the no carb 100% protein ones?

I just use whey protein.... it has no sugars and around 3 grams of carbs to help with digestion........ After my workouts I will add 3 grams of honey to thhe protein shake

**jpmacco** · 12-30-2003, 10:01 PM

Can you substitute rye or oat bread for the oats? Also, can you take a couple of tablespoons of canola oil marg. a day?

Thanks man.

Originally Posted by TheMudMan

Instead of PM'ing I will post my bulker.......... Remember I'm 5'7 187 10%

Meal 1
10 to 12 egg whites w/salsa
1 to 1 1/2 cup of oats w/table spoon natural peanut butter
1 cup coffee

Meal 2
2 chicken breasts
1 yam
1 cup green veggies

Meal 3
2 chicken breast
1 cup green veggies

Meal 4
1 chicken breast
3/4 Cup oats

Can you substitute rye bread or oat bread for the oats? Also, can you take a couple tablespoons of canola oil marg. a day?

Thanks man.
Meal 5 (Pre Workout)
40g Protein Shake

Meal 6 (Post workout)
40g Protein Shake w/3 Table Spoons of Honey

Meal 7 (Post Post workout)
12 egg whites w/salsa
1 1/2 cup oats w/1 - Table Spoon of Honey

Meal 8
2 to 3 Chicken Breasts w/ Salsa

Meal 9
40g Protein Shake w/Flax Seed Oil or 10 egg whites

Meal 10 - 2am (I usually wake up hungry every night at this time - This is optional)
40g Protein Shake w/Flax Seed Oil

**Drink 1.5 gallons of water ED
** You can switch the chicken with 1/2 to 3/4 pounds of 97% lean ground beef(once to twice a week), tuna steaks, salmon steaks, or any high quality lean cuts of meat

**BullDogg20** · 12-30-2003, 11:35 PM

i found a very interesting Bulking diet in a Muscle and fitness MAG today which was made by muscle tech here it is.

Meal 1
Protein Powder 2 scoops
Oatmeal 1 3/4 cup
Flax Oil 1 tbsp

meal 2
Chicken Breast 4 ounces
Brown rice 2 cups
Olive Oil 1 tbsp

Meal 3
protein Bar 1 Bar
Multi Grain Rice Cakes 8 cakes
Almonds 1 ounce

Meal 4
Flank Steak 4 ounces
Baked Sweet Potato 12 ounces
Fish Oil Capsules 10 caps

Meal 5
Protein Powder 2 scoops
sweet Potato 10 ounces
Almonds.

this is based off of a 200 lbs man.

In my opinion is an easy diet to follow but i think it could use some improvements, what do you all think.

**Body** · 12-31-2003, 01:10 AM

I'm with nptadude. There's a lot of great info in this thread. Thanks for the diet examples mudman. My body type is endomorphic, but even so, I eat everything in sight when on a bulking cycle. I definitely put on some fat, but it seems to easily disappear when the cycle's over. Also, I use clenbuterol for it's anti-catabolic properties post cycle. That probably also has something to do with it. Has anybody seen pics of Lee Priest in the off-season? He looks like the Michelin Man. It's my belief that you have to put on serious weight (good and bad) to put on serious muscle. You can definitely gain weight and remain fairly lean while bulking, but I think that the total muscle gains would have been higher with more daily calories.

**jpmacco** · 12-31-2003, 02:10 PM

Wow, this doesn't look like nearly enough food for a 200lb guy bulking.

Originally Posted by BullDogg20

i found a very interesting Bulking diet in a Muscle and fitness MAG today which was made by muscle tech here it is.

Meal 1
Protein Powder 2 scoops
Oatmeal 1 3/4 cup
Flax Oil 1 tbsp

meal 2
Chicken Breast 4 ounces
Brown rice 2 cups
Olive Oil 1 tbsp

Meal 3
protein Bar 1 Bar
Multi Grain Rice Cakes 8 cakes
Almonds 1 ounce

Meal 4
Flank Steak 4 ounces

Wow, this doesn't look like nearly enough food for a 200lb guy bulking.
Baked Sweet Potato 12 ounces
Fish Oil Capsules 10 caps

Meal 5
Protein Powder 2 scoops
sweet Potato 10 ounces
Almonds.

this is based off of a 200 lbs man.

In my opinion is an easy diet to follow but i think it could use some improvements, what do you all think.