Thread: Is Deca That Bad???
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11-27-2003, 01:09 PM #1Associate Member
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Is Deca That Bad???
Hi i started deca .This is my first time.One bodybuilder from Italy (Stefano Biondi) told me, that he did his first cycle on deca (only deca) and he loved it (gaind 25 pounds only on 200ml a week)Then i started reading about deca dick....Is it that bad..
I am 5.11 ,215..bench 385....so i now about this a little ..
what gains can i expect.I am on my first week,i eat 4000 cl a day,train hard,sleep....
CYCLE:
week 1 --100ml,200,400,400,400,200,100,100....or should i do something dif....
THANKS .....
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11-27-2003, 01:18 PM #2
Bro that cycle is a mess......... don't taper your dosages keep them constant like 400mg a week....... Deca has been know to give people libido problems know as Deca Dick...... You should be running test in the cycle.
This is what I would do:
1 - 11 Test Enan 500mg a wk
1 - 10 Deca 400mg a wk
1 - 13 l-dex .25 ED
2 weeks after last Enan injection start PCT
Day 1 300mg Clomid / 20mg Nolvadex
Day 2 - 30 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolvadex
I then like to use Nolva one week past PCT at 20mg ED but that's up to you.
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11-27-2003, 01:23 PM #3Originally Posted by Musa
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11-27-2003, 01:24 PM #4Junior Member
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Musa my first cycle and only cycle to this date was all Deca . I did
wk1- 100
wk2- 200
wk3- 300
wk4- 400
wk5- 400
wk6- 300
wk7- 200
wk8- 100
I gained 20 pounds with no signs of deca dick. Unless Deca Dick means overstimulation. I mean I was horney as hell. But when i got off i didnt do a PCT which i regret. And deca dick came in for maybe 3 weeks but i could still bang my gf just it wasnt as hard as it should have been. People are going to tell you to put test in and that deca only sucks. But i gained 20 pounds from it. But bro make sure you go through PCT and EAT BIG.
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11-27-2003, 01:27 PM #5Originally Posted by PumpDaddy8303
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11-27-2003, 01:29 PM #6Junior Member
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Originally Posted by TheMudMan
Yeah you are right i will i give you that. Test and deca is tons better than just deca. But i did gain a good amount of size from just deca. But i am wondering maybe since i tapered my dosages that i didnt get deca dick so bad.
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11-27-2003, 01:34 PM #7Originally Posted by PumpDaddy8303
I feel it's beter to keep the dosages constant so that blood levels get built and stay constant through the cycle.
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11-27-2003, 01:42 PM #8Associate Member
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Oh sorry ,yeah it is 200mg....but i read you should do the pyramid...so your body gets use to it....
Doing test and deca ,do i have a lot more poss. of side effects or not??Do you guys think i will have a lot side effects with this cycle?
THANKS for your help...
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11-27-2003, 01:49 PM #9Junior Member
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Originally Posted by Musa
Side effects with just deca? probably not other than deca dick. Thats all i saw and it wasnt for long.
If you run test i would make sure you run more mg than you do deca each week and also imo i would take anti-e's you can never be to safe when it comes to that.
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11-27-2003, 01:53 PM #10
The side affects depend on your body. If you can get the test then by all means do, theirs plenty of positive things that will come with the test as well as upped libido...not to mention more gains.
Deffinately take mud's advice either way, whether your going to throw the test in or not. Mud Man knows his juice, anyone on this board that's stuck around here long enough can vouch for his knowledge. Mud Man wont stear you wrong.
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11-27-2003, 01:55 PM #11Associate Member
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PUMPDUDDY...how much did you eat when you were on the deca cycle..
I also got clenbuterol and clomid after cycle...does anybody knows what is the best way to go with clen ,a lo people told me that they did not feel anythink with clenbuterol....
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11-27-2003, 02:00 PM #12
Some test on a deca cycle can only help, bro
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11-27-2003, 02:01 PM #13Junior Member
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Originally Posted by Musa
I ate as much as i possibly could of things like chicken and turkey. which offer a lot of protein. But make sure you eat a lot of complex carbs from vegetables. Eat about 2 grams of protein per lb of body weight.
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11-27-2003, 02:04 PM #14Originally Posted by Musa
Clen is to lean, and it's generally very effective. This does not mean you have to stack it with clomid.
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11-27-2003, 02:05 PM #15Junior Member
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Originally Posted by James Bond
Clen is also an anti catabolic
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11-27-2003, 02:05 PM #16Junior Member
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Originally Posted by PumpDaddy8303
which is why i think he wants to use it, to keep his gains
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11-27-2003, 02:07 PM #17Associate Member
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I know is a stupid question, but when you say test, what are the steroids you are talking about.....thanks
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11-27-2003, 02:09 PM #18Junior Member
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Originally Posted by Musa
Testosterone . such as test enthanate, or test cypionate
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11-27-2003, 02:10 PM #19Associate Member
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I meant clomid ,after cycle to keep the gains,and then i am confused about clenbuterol , some say it is to keep the gains and some say it is only for cuting,can i use them at the same time...
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11-27-2003, 02:11 PM #20Originally Posted by PumpDaddy8303
I use it while cycling, as an example.
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11-27-2003, 02:12 PM #21Junior Member
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11-27-2003, 02:22 PM #22Associate Member
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Then why test ENANTHATE has such a high rating for side effects
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11-27-2003, 03:03 PM #23VET
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Originally Posted by PumpDaddy8303Last edited by KeyMastur; 11-27-2003 at 03:06 PM.
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11-27-2003, 03:42 PM #24Originally Posted by Musa
As far as the clen it can be used for either a cutter or as part of PCT
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11-27-2003, 03:50 PM #25Originally Posted by RON
If you mean that it can be taken DURING PCT I agree, but I really do not see how clen can help your recovery after cycling.
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11-27-2003, 03:52 PM #26
Deca makes a lot of peeople highly depressed post cycle.
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11-27-2003, 03:58 PM #27Originally Posted by jdog55
I worry about the months to come...
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11-27-2003, 04:13 PM #28Associate Member
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Being depressed is it just in you head or really happens
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11-27-2003, 04:18 PM #29
Happens, really. Not everybody react the same way, anyway.
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11-27-2003, 04:22 PM #30
Clen helps in pct by
#1 Your cals can continue to stay high during pct without a lot of fat build up
#2 Clen is anti catabolic at correct dosages
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11-27-2003, 05:38 PM #31Junior Member
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Originally Posted by KeyMastur
I was 19
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11-27-2003, 06:59 PM #32
my first cycle was just deca . i was too nervous and inexperienced to try anything else. it went :
week1: 300mg
weeks2-12: 450mg
very simple and i loved it. i was lucky and didn't get deca dick. i put on about 25lbs and my joints were like butter. i didn't use anti-e's and was bloated.
if i did it over i would have definitely used a long acting test with it. listen to the bros, they know the deal
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11-27-2003, 07:16 PM #33VET
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Originally Posted by PumpDaddy8303
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11-27-2003, 07:38 PM #34Associate Member
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SHOOTDEEP ,did you get gyno...what abot after cycle any side effects...so you think i should just get up to 400 and stay there....THANKS
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11-27-2003, 08:10 PM #35Originally Posted by PumpDaddy8303
Last edited by helios; 11-27-2003 at 08:18 PM.
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11-27-2003, 11:05 PM #36Originally Posted by PumpDaddy8303
The only way to keep going catabolic is to keep your calories high durring PCT and a few weeks past PCT
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11-28-2003, 02:17 AM #37Swellin Guest
As I recall, Musa asked how to run Clen , but I never saw a response.
Musa...take a look at the Clen handbook in the educational threads! It is awesome!
You run clen for two weeks, and then take two weeks off. Most folks seem to like this for 6 weeks. You start by taking 1-2 tablets the first day. If you don't experience many of the sides, up the doseage by one tab per day until you get the shakes or some other side that is a pain. The next day, you back off by one pill, and continue at that doseage for the remainder of the first two weeks.
After my two week "off" period, I start back at about half of my target dose, rather than the 1-2 pill norm. I don't want to start at the full dose, I want to give my body a day or two to get rolling with the Clen.
BUY SOME TAURINE TO RUN WITH THE CLEN. My headaches and shakes were cut by 70% with the addition of taurine.
You still need to take a look at the clen handbook.
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11-28-2003, 09:41 AM #38Junior Member
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Originally Posted by KeyMastur
I really wasnt rapidly growing then, i was 165 pounds from senior year of highschool until sophomore year of college and thats when i decided to go on the deca . No growth at all. I stayed the very same weight no matter what i did. I could eat all i wanted and lift as little as i wanted and stay that weight or i could eat everything and lift hard and still stay at 165.Last edited by PumpDaddy8303; 11-28-2003 at 09:45 AM.
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11-28-2003, 09:43 AM #39Junior Member
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my first cycle was deca and dbol . and i know it was real because back in 1985 there was almost no fake ****. everything you got made you grow like a mother ****er. and you didn't need 1000mg of test to get big. alot of people give deca a bad rap and this pisses me off. in my opinion there is no better chemical made then deca. do not get me wrong, i love test and i use it always now, and with deca it is amazing. but if your not prone to deca side effects, and i am not , then it is a great choice for any cycle.i never had deca dick, break outs, bad bloat, and no matter what i use i always get post cycle depression, so i can not blame deca for that either. i love it and would recommend anyone to try it. at least one time. i recommend norma hella highly. great gains, and great quality gains. slightly underfilled, but what the hell. it is great ****. just my $.02
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