Thread: Not eating carbs with fat
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02-17-2004, 07:11 PM #1
Not eating carbs with fat
I always hear this and i kinda have gotten half hearted responses to why. I have heard that if you eat carbs your insulin raises and if you have fat in your blood you will store that fat expecially if you have extra calories.
Basically what i do is my first four meal of the day are carb and protien and my last two are protien and fat. What do you all feel about this
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02-17-2004, 07:45 PM #2
The main concept here is that fats and carbs are prime energy sources for your body. (Moreso than protein.) With these 2 macros in the same meal, your body will choose the energy source that it prefers at that time. Therefore, the unused energy source will most likely be stored as fat when there is excessive amounts.
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02-17-2004, 07:54 PM #3Originally Posted by tatertoos
i was just kinda curious about if you are having a carb meal...what is the acceptable grams of fat in that meal.
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02-17-2004, 08:50 PM #4Originally Posted by backer123
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02-17-2004, 08:52 PM #5
That would depend on your activity level before and after you eat and how sensitive you are to carbs (and probably many other physiological factors). When I do eat carbs I opt for less than 5g fat (if possible). I put on fat easily, though...
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02-17-2004, 08:52 PM #6
it also depends on the insulin response from the carbs that are being consumed. generally i shoot for 5-8 grams of carbs after fiber is subtracted. when eating a carb meal between 1 - 5 is my goal.
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02-17-2004, 08:56 PM #7Originally Posted by bigsd67
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02-17-2004, 09:09 PM #8
that is a per-meal basis bro....on an off day i consume about 50g carbs with 20-25 fiber....workout day i get 120-130g carbs with 25-30g fiber. i guess i should have clarified.
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02-17-2004, 09:24 PM #9Originally Posted by bigsd67
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02-17-2004, 10:53 PM #10Female Member
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I'm still torn on this issue. The concept makes sense to a degree, but there isn't much in the way of actual evidence to back it up. Also, I'm not sure how much it matters when one is eating a hypocaloric diet. The idea is that after carbs are used for energy, the fat will be stored when in excessive amounts. So, does this still apply when there is a caloric deficit and theoretically, nothing should be stored? I'm not sure...for now, I separate carbs and fats because I've made myself paranoid about it.
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02-18-2004, 06:26 AM #11
well i do agree with kim that there is not any actual evidence to support the theory...however most everyone on this board including me have done it and found success..now is it from actual separation or from dropping calories....there is some science to back it up, but it is the biology stuff that people like swole cat and rambo know...personally i will continue to do it because not only does it seem to work pretty friggin well, but i feel satisfied all day and this diet thing isnt that hard to do
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02-18-2004, 09:11 AM #12AR Hall of Fame
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Ponder this:
If one were to eat 6 meals of pizza (fat/carbs,some protein) a day, but still be under his/her "caloric intake limit" and theoretically should lose "weight" (not fat), do you really think he/she would see a body comp change or FAT loss? Total Kcals are under the "total limit" to lose weight each day, yes, however look at the food itself and what it's comprised of, and what macros are together in the meals. (Fat/carbs) Now, I know no one eats pizza for 6 meals, but this was given as an example of carbs/fat together.
The answer: the person will actually lose no/very little "FAT", but will lose "weight". Weight being MUSCLE and fat, NOT just fat. As well, the food choice in this instance is CRAPPY, so the protein needed to support a muscular frame and to keep/build lean mass in not evident. So even though he/she is under the "caloric limit" everyone seems to focus on, remember that it's WHAT the calories are comprised of, where, when, how much, with what, that makes all the difference at the end of the day. So, again, the total Kcals per day theoretically is enough for the person to lose "weight", but when he/she is eating 6 meals of a high gi carb and fat together, better believe some of those meals are being stored as fat each time, especially if the same feeding patterns (carbs/fat) keep being taken in back to back over the course of the day.
Pizza is a far out example, but was used so you can see how the combos of macros do affect results. Your choices for meals may have the same affect, dependent upon what you choose to seperate or not seperate.
One person could eat 3000 kcals in one fashion, and I could eat the same amount of Kcals in different formats and together in certain manners, and achieve totally different results in the final outcome.
~SC~Last edited by SwoleCat; 02-18-2004 at 09:15 AM.
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02-18-2004, 09:38 AM #13
bravo....sc spreading some fantastic knowledge...
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02-18-2004, 12:31 PM #14Originally Posted by SwoleCat
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02-18-2004, 12:53 PM #15Female Member
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I agree with you, swole...but do we really know if the same thing would happen if one were to eat 6 meals of oats, egg whites and flax oil? The fat/carb combination is still there, but the poor choice of food and high GI carbs are not. Not to mention, pizza does not have much protein, so of course muscle loss would be expected. Again, i don't have a strong opinion either way so i'm not trying to argue. I'm just putting it out there.
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02-18-2004, 02:07 PM #16Originally Posted by Kim2884
that is a very interesting question and something to ponder.....we all know that oats wont cause much if any of an insulin spike, and EFA's for fat makes a difference...im not really getting at anything there, just really bumping this up for the answer, as im a bit curious.
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02-18-2004, 02:53 PM #17Originally Posted by Kim2884
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02-18-2004, 03:47 PM #18
I am eating basicly using dC's method which is lower carbs all early in day, high protien and fat. It working fairly well for me. I am prone to gain bodyfat around my waist which is a bitch come contest time. I am eating handy 200g of fat from 2pm-9pm most days no carbs and of course protien. This method is keeping me leaner than before at same bodyweight. So works for me at least.
My meals from 5am-12pm are protien and carbs very low in fat.
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02-18-2004, 05:37 PM #19Originally Posted by daman1
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02-18-2004, 05:54 PM #20
I believe I read earlier in a thread that flax in a 10g carb protein shake is ok.
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02-18-2004, 06:02 PM #21Originally Posted by bigsd67
To be on the safe side I simply avoid combining the fats and carbs in any fashion and save all any insulin spikes for morning and post workout.
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02-18-2004, 08:17 PM #22
as do I usual and hopefully by may ill achieve the low bodyfat i am after.
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02-18-2004, 08:47 PM #23Female Member
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Originally Posted by usualsuspect
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02-18-2004, 08:57 PM #24
**** you people, you got me thinking again...LOL!
In the presence of protein and fat, alone (0 carbs). What would be the effect on your body of an insulin spike?
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02-18-2004, 09:10 PM #25Originally Posted by Kim2884
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02-19-2004, 06:54 AM #26Originally Posted by Kim2884
hippocritical b!tch...hahah j/k kim, gotta love a girl that starts a really interesting and educational debate
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02-19-2004, 07:14 AM #27Female Member
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Originally Posted by daman1
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02-19-2004, 10:22 AM #28Originally Posted by Kim2884
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02-19-2004, 12:52 PM #29
I just read an article at bodybuilding.com in which someone states that you should have all nacronutrients in each meal. I think it was about cutting and was on the home page of the supersite. I will post link later.
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02-19-2004, 01:20 PM #30Originally Posted by Kim2884
A tsp of olive with your yam may not cause a big insulin shock but if your having lets say potatoes and steak for dinner than I think your running a large a big risk of a major insulin shock that could otherwise have been prvented by avoiding the two in the first place. Then again, if the meal meets your calorie needs (and doesn't exceed them) and you love steak and potatoes more than anything in the world...than I would say have a field day with it. Just my opinion,
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02-19-2004, 02:07 PM #31Female Member
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I agree US...nice way to sum it up.
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