Trt noob

**Bigjerdog** · 04-03-2011, 11:35 AM

Hey Bros

I am 39. About 2 years ago I was diagnosed with marginally low test levels(not from cycling) I have done 1 cycle of Test and it was after my diagnosis. The Dr initially gave me that gel/cream stuff. I didnt like it because it was just not conveniant. Took a very long time to dry etc. After that he had me come in for injections. In the beginning it was every 2 weeks and after about 6 weeks of that it switched to 1 monthly injection. Obviously it is a pain in the ass to go down to the Dr. all the time and have them do it. I have seen here as well as some other boards guys talking about being perscribed test and administering it themselves. My question... Is this possible to do in the states? Can some experienced bros chime in and let me know how to approach my Dr. for this? My Dr. is just a general practitioner, not hormone specialist or endocrinologist. I would love to be able to get my own stuff and just do it myself. It would be nice to just have to pay a copay for gear. Hopefully I am not breaking any board rules by asking these questions, and thanks in advance bros for your help!

**steroid.com 1** · 04-03-2011, 12:12 PM

Read the stickies (IMPORTANT) at the top of the forum and do some searches on here as well and you will find all the answers to your questions. This site is loaded with great information from experiened guys that will help you.

**Bigjerdog** · 04-03-2011, 12:44 PM

Thanks Gdevine but I am not quite sure you read thru my post. Maybe you just saw the word noob and gave me the standard answer? I have been on the site over a year and I have done a ton of research. I have read the stickies etc. I do not see an answer to my question in the stickies. Maybe you can point it out to me if i am missing something?

What I am interested in is NOT needing to go to the Dr. once a month for my shot. I have seen posts before about guys have a script that they are able to fill and administer themselves. At this point my Dr requires that I haver it done in his office. I am looking to get around that. Thanks!

**vtach12** · 04-03-2011, 02:34 PM

You should have found your answers in a years time on here. Anyway, once a month injections will most likely not work very well. It is a big roller coaster ride. Many people do there own injections.
You need to research how to do self injections correctly (the doctor may want to see you do your first injection in the office). Then take that knowledge along with your "too many ups and downs" of not injecting at least weekly to the doctor. Tell the doctor you want to do self injections and he/she can monitor you via lab work. Sometimes you need to be assertive, but be polite.
If that doesn't work ask for a referral.

**APIs** · 04-03-2011, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by Bigjerdog

Thanks Gdevine but I am not quite sure you read thru my post. Maybe you just saw the word noob and gave me the standard answer? I have been on the site over a year and I have done a ton of research. I have read the stickies etc. I do not see an answer to my question in the stickies. Maybe you can point it out to me if i am missing something?

What I am interested in is NOT needing to go to the Dr. once a month for my shot. I have seen posts before about guys have a script that they are able to fill and administer themselves. At this point my Dr requires that I haver it done in his office. I am looking to get around that. Thanks!

Yes, you can self-inject Test Cyp in the US. It's no different from someone who self administers Insulin for Diabetes. It looks like your Dr. is clueless when it comes to TRT like most are. You can either educate him explaining the half-life of Test Cyp and the need to inject yourself weekly or use your insurance to find a qualified Endo. You have insurance so use it as a resource to locate a new Dr. in your network. IMO, I would dump this guy ASAP & find someone who specializes in TRT. Life is too short to screw around with this...

**steroid.com 1** · 04-03-2011, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by vtach12

You should have found your answers in a years time on here. Anyway, once a month injections will most likely not work very well. It is a big roller coaster ride. Many people do there own injections.
You need to research how to do self injections correctly (the doctor may want to see you do your first injection in the office). Then take that knowledge along with your "too many ups and downs" of not injecting at least weekly to the doctor. Tell the doctor you want to do self injections and he/she can monitor you via lab work. Sometimes you need to be assertive, but be polite.
If that doesn't work ask for a referral.

Yea, that's where I was coming from. There are at least two threads here the past week or so where the same subject matter came up with great intelligent responses from the guys on what to do.

IMO, if your Doc doesn't "get it" when you explain the need to do weekly injections, plus the need for hCG and possibly an AI in your protocol you got the wrong guy and you're going to end up feeling worse or getting hurt.

Just my $0.02

**Vettester** · 04-03-2011, 05:17 PM

As you've already gathered, your doctor is going backwards with you on your program. Administration every two (2) weeks is bad enough, going once a month is asinine! The reason for this is due to the half life of medicine; usually being 7-to-8 days with cyp and enathate. If you can make headway with him by having this discussion, then all the power to you. However, speaking from experience (members & personal), most doctors will not be open to having one of their patients give them a educational tip. I'd put it at 2 or 3 out of 10 if you're lucky. Additionally, I doubt the odds are in your favor that this guy will let you self medicate either.

With that said, there's plenty of clinics and doctors throughout the US that will professionally handle your health program, and let you administer your own meds at home, as long as you meet their criteria. Most clinics and such don't take insurance, so be prepared for this route to be out of pocket.

**Bigjerdog** · 04-03-2011, 05:29 PM

Ok thanks for the info. So would you say that most of the guys that are able to get their gear and take it home etc. Are going thru these clinics? I will definitely look thru my plan and try and find some Dr.s that specialize in TRT. Didnt even think of that possibility.

Also the year that I have spent here have not been in the TRT replacement forum, I have only posted and read specifically in this section just recently, most of my research and posting have revolved around learning about cycles for bodybuilding. I am very new to the idea of self administering TRT and just wanted to learn about it. I am familiar with how to inject etc.

In any case.. Thanks guys! I appreciate it!

**Vettester** · 04-03-2011, 08:01 PM

I would say most of the guys going to actual AA clinics usually will be self administering their meds. A lot of these clinics, including the one I'm currently using, are out of state, so there isn't much choice but to take my meds at home. Also, most of the clinics will address the anti-estrogen subject, along with HCG to combat testicular shrinkage if your condition is secondary related. Hope this helps!

Also, most of at the clinics don't take our meds home ... They mail or UPS everything to us from their pharmacy

**THORSZ** · 04-03-2011, 08:16 PM

Like the guys said above, monthly injections will put you on an emotional rollercoaster. What state do you live in? I'm in WA and no trouble self injecting here. My buddy is in Colorado and had three doctors tell him it was against the law to administer from home. He ended up going to a Florida clinic where you send your blood work, consult a doc by phone and they delivered no problem.

**steroid.com 1** · 04-03-2011, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by Bigjerdog

Ok thanks for the info. So would you say that most of the guys that are able to get their gear and take it home etc. Are going thru these clinics? I will definitely look thru my plan and try and find some Dr.s that specialize in TRT. Didnt even think of that possibility.

Also the year that I have spent here have not been in the TRT replacement forum, I have only posted and read specifically in this section just recently, most of my research and posting have revolved around learning about cycles for bodybuilding. I am very new to the idea of self administering TRT and just wanted to learn about it. I am familiar with how to inject etc.

In any case.. Thanks guys! I appreciate it!

Hey man, are you diagnosed with Primary or Secondary Hypogonadism and looking to start a therapeutic TRT protocol...or...are you interested in Test for body building purposes?

Just asking is all...

**Bigjerdog** · 04-03-2011, 11:49 PM

I think I had always had an interest in trying steroids . I didnt have the means or the knowledge and the idea was just kinda floating around. After I was diagnosed and the Dr started giving me injections I started to look into doing a cycle. After learning about cycling here, I did 1 cycle of test. I do think I will do another one in the future but not sure when. I do not recall my diagnosis being "hypogonadism. My Dr. just told me I had marginally low test levels. Asked me about fatigue and some other symptoms and put me on. The reason I keep using the word marginally is because he pretty much left it up to me wether or not I wanted to do replacement therapy. I was within normal levels but on the very low side of it and 1 test did come up just below what he saud were normal levels. I guess he might have used those words but I dont remember it to be honest.

**sirupate** · 04-04-2011, 08:21 AM

I'd say most of the guys here self-inject at home, unless they are on gel. My endo. put me on gel first and I was on the gel for about a year. The first time I asked him about self-injecting, he sort of dismissed the idea, but he hadn't seen me much at that time...maybe two visits. I asked again after a year and he said OK. In fact, he didn't even give me any instructions other than dosage and frequency. I follow-up with BW this week and see him next week hoping to fine tune the dose and frequency. Injecting is the way to go if you can find a cooperative doctor.

**Bigjerdog** · 04-04-2011, 11:41 AM

Here s a follow up question... How many of you guys see your regular general Dr. for this and how many see an endo? Or anti aging type clinic? I dont think the clinic route is good for me because of the money it requires... I am condidering finding a endo that might be more understanding and knowledgeable specifically about this issue?

**sirupate** · 04-04-2011, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Bigjerdog

Here s a follow up question... How many of you guys see your regular general Dr. for this and how many see an endo? Or anti aging type clinic? I dont think the clinic route is good for me because of the money it requires... I am condidering finding a endo that might be more understanding and knowledgeable specifically about this issue?

I see an endo. My regular MD will prescribe whatever the endo recommends (endo sends regular MD updates), but the regular doc isn't very knowledgeable about TRT. So, if I ever get "right" combo/levels of meds, the regular doc will be happy to keep my up to date on scrips, but I wouldn't depend on him to fine-tune me.

An anti-aging doctor may be your best shot at TRT, but there are not that many around compared to endos and urologists.