HCG With Normal Syringe? Is IM Better?

[TGraham]

Hi,
I have been prescribed HCG to keep my testicles functioning while on Test. He suggested an insulin syringe but intramuscular (1000IU 2X/WK) as he says it works better IM. I don't like the insulin syringe as it dulls significantly going into the vial and you cannot swap the needle out.

1) Is there any reason I shouldn't use my Test syringes and 18G needles with HCG?
2) Does it in fact work better IM?
3) Should I break the 2000IU up into smaller more frequent doses?

Thank You
TG

[steroid.com 1]

Men have complained of sever pain while shooting HCG IM. There is no need to invade muscle tissue with HCG. A simple shot into fat is all it takes. Insulin syringes are cheap and easy to get.

You need to break up your doses into smaller units over a scheduled protocol. 250 iu EOD is what I do on 120 mg/wk of test. When a man introduces high doses of HCG it desensitizes the receptors on the Leydig cells which is not what you want. Also, high doses of HCG causes spikes of intra-testicular E2 which an AI is very ineffective of controlling...and you don't want that as well.

For what it's worth; 2000 iu of HCG a week is to much and you're going to end up with problems.

Do some research and you will see.

Excerpt from Dr. John Crisler on HCG:
It is important that no more than 500IU of HCG be administered on any given day. There is only just so much stimulation possible, and exceeding that not only is wasteful, doing so has important negative consequences. Higher doses overly stimulate testicular aromatase, which inappropriately raises estrogen levels, and brings on the detrimental effects of same. It also causes Leydig cell desentization to LH, and we are therefore inducing primary hypogonadism while perhaps treating secondary hypogonadism. 250IU QD is an effective, and safe, dose. After all, we are merely replacing that which is lost to inhibition.

In my previous report I recommended 250IU of HCG twice per week for all TRT patients, taken the day of, along with the day before, the weekly test cyp injection. After looking at countless lab printouts, listening to subjective reports from patients, and learning more about HCG, I am now shifting that regimen forward one day. In other words, my test cyp TRT patients now take their HCG at 250IU two days before, as well as the day immediately previous to, their IM shot. All administer their HCG subcutaneously, and dosage may be adjusted as necessary (I have yet to see more than 350IU per dose required).

[spywizard]

so?? you currently inject test with an 18g needle do ya???

I bet you'd only do that one time...

[GotNoBlueMilk]

I use an insuline needle, 27g 1/2 inch and go subq with hCG . Of course, I go subq with Test Cyp too, but most people do subq with hCG.

My script for hCG is 250 IU 2x/week. I think my boys are a little bigger now than they were before I started HRT. They definately are not smaller, and they had shrunk a lot before I added the hCG.

[bass]

so?? you currently inject test with an 18g needle do ya???

I bet you'd only do that one time...

ouch! 18 g. is a harpoon!

[steroid.com 1]

I use an insuline needle, 27g 1/2 inch and go subq with hCG . Of course, I go subq with Test Cyp too, but most people do subq with hCG.

My script for hCG is 250 IU 2x/week. I think my boys are a little bigger now than they were before I started HRT. They definately are not smaller, and they had shrunk a lot before I added the hCG.

250 iu 2x/wk on how much T GNBM?

[GotNoBlueMilk]

250 iu 2x/wk on how much T GNBM?

100mg/week of Test Cyp, broken into 2 shots a week.

I have been considering moving the hCG down some. Maybe try 150 IU 2x/week. I take it to keep my leydig cells functioning, etc and not for increasing Test. My current dosage is doing that plus, based on plumpness of my boys. I should mention that I switched from anastrazole to letro for my AI. Letro does increase LH some, but I don't know how much of that I am experiencing since the studies are based on 2.5 mg / day and I am only taking 0.35 mg 2x/week.

I am more of a minimalist when it comes to HRT. I take the approach of getting my levels up there, but not at the higher end of the range. When I get my total T over 900 I just don't feel nearly as well as when my total T is about 750. I can understand the appeal of bigger stronger muscles (I was on a full ride for wrestling in college, I know athletics, lifting, and strength), but at my age I am more interested in being healthy and feeling great. I actually felt my best at 80 mg/week of T, but I was having issues recoving from my workouts. I was recoving from my lifting ok, but aerobics was hitting my legs too much. I LOVE the stair stepper for aerobics. But doing that twice a week as part of my aerobics along with working legs lifting was just too much on my legs.

[TGraham]

OOPS!
I draw with an 18 and pin with a 23.
Yikes!
Im now doing 500IU twice per week the dar before my bi weekly test shots.

[steroid.com 1]

OOPS!
I draw with an 18 and pin with a 23.
Yikes!
Im now doing 500IU twice per week the dar before my bi weekly test shots.

500 is too much at one time (read some recent posts here).

Better to split it up in doses of 250 iu EOD.

Same amount but just not all at once.