--->>405<<--- trt thread

**bass** · 12-08-2011, 04:49 PM

hmmm, not sure what you're talking about, did you get an oral syringe, these will have a taper end? usually for injecting syringes should come with a luer lock type (screw)

**bigboy67** · 12-08-2011, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

well guys i finally got the needles.. i have a qquestion.. now when i draw with 21 g and remove.. theres a hole at the tip of the syringe where the needle connects.. is that ok?? basically the needle just pushes onto the syringe..theres no twist that i can see. however i do twist it to take it off.. i dont think i have to it just makes it easier...

my main question is this hole.. is it ok for there to be a hole there til i put the injecting needle tip on?? i dont think any will spill out but if i push on the plunger it would come out??

thx

thats normal, you just got the kind that you push on, instead of twisting. i would recommend just having the injecting tip ready to go, so when you pop off the drawing needle, you pop on the other tip and stab away

(and yes, if you push on it, it will squirt out the Test)

I would recommend taking a syring, a draw needle, an injection needle, and a little glass of water, and just play around a little bit so you can get the feel for how it works, how it draws, injects, pop off the tips, squirt out the water, yadda yadda, so you get really comfortable with how it works, then it will be much more comfortable to use in the future

**--->>405<<---** · 12-08-2011, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by bass

hmmm, not sure what you're talking about, did you get an oral syringe, these will have a taper end? usually for injecting syringes should come with a luer lock type (screw)

I dont think its an oral syringe.. On the website when i put the syringes in cart it said.."other people bought these also" and had difft gauge needle tips along with alcohol swabs... Its only 1ml syringe.. And it didnt say oral on the page like it did with other syringes most of which were like 10ml...

And the needles fit ...

**--->>405<<---** · 12-08-2011, 09:07 PM

Big boy its funny u mention that cuz thats exactly what i did witj the glass and water.. I also made sure nothing leaked out the side where the needle fits on and nothing did..

I also held it upside down with the tip off and no water came out.. Think it was cuz of some kind of vacuum deal cuz only 1end is open?? Seems like itll work.. This kind of BS is why i wAs leery of buying needles online!

**--->>405<<---** · 12-09-2011, 10:06 AM

Well Fellas todays the day .. 1st time im self injecting.. 25g 1" into quad... Wish me luck

**ConArmas** · 12-09-2011, 11:11 AM

Good Luck!

**bass** · 12-09-2011, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

Well Fellas todays the day .. 1st time im self injecting.. 25g 1" into quad... Wish me luck

good luck, and let us know how it went!

**--->>405<<---** · 12-09-2011, 12:31 PM

well the injection went fine.. no pain.. when i aspirated no blood came out.. only thing when i pulld out the needle a little blood came out of injection site.. a drop worth... took 2 alcohol swabs to wipe clean.. slight bruising around site now but like i said when i aspirated no blood came into the syringe so maybe it just does this on the leg???

**bass** · 12-09-2011, 12:40 PM

a few drops of blood is normal.

**--->>405<<---** · 12-09-2011, 01:37 PM

good to know thx

**bigboy67** · 12-09-2011, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

well the injection went fine.. no pain.. when i aspirated no blood came out.. only thing when i pulld out the needle a little blood came out of injection site.. a drop worth... took 2 alcohol swabs to wipe clean.. slight bruising around site now but like i said when i aspirated no blood came into the syringe so maybe it just does this on the leg???

You probably just knicked a little vein pulling out the needle, no biggy as long as you had no blood when aspirating.

I got bruising my firs tfew injections bcause i was basically stabbing my leg. Now, I use one hand to pull the skin tight, then i slowly plunge the needle, aspirate , inject, pull out the needle, stop spreading and pulling the skin tight, and then apply pressure to the injection site and massage for 20 seconds. Now I get zero bruising, pain, blood, etc.

**--->>405<<---** · 12-09-2011, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by bigboy67

You probably just knicked a little vein pulling out the needle, no biggy as long as you had no blood when aspirating.

I got bruising my firs tfew injections bcause i was basically stabbing my leg. Now, I use one hand to pull the skin tight, then i slowly plunge the needle, aspirate, inject, pull out the needle, stop spreading and pulling the skin tight, and then apply pressure to the injection site and massage for 20 seconds. Now I get zero bruising, pain, blood, etc.

yeh funny once i was done pushing in the test and i was ready to pull out the needle i had to get an alcohol swab so i let go of the needle with it still in my leg and it just dangled there for a second while i grabbed the alcohol swab and then i pulled it out.. will prob just take a little practice..

**bigboy67** · 12-09-2011, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

yeh funny once i was done pushing in the test and i was ready to pull out the needle i had to get an alcohol swab so i let go of the needle with it still in my leg and it just dangled there for a second while i grabbed the alcohol swab and then i pulled it out.. will prob just take a little practice..

you will learn exactly how to do it by feel and practice. as long as you are using clean hands, alcohol swabbing the vial before pull ing the Test, alcohol swabbing your leg before injecting, and aspirating, the rest of the process will be up to you for personal preference.

I do everythign deliberately, use both hands, take my time, some other guys just get to stabbing themselves to get it over with, everyone is different.

**--->>405<<---** · 12-09-2011, 06:33 PM

just out of curiosity.. whats the worst thing that can happen if u dont aspirate or if u aspirate and no blood comes out but ur really in a vein or blood vessel???

**bigboy67** · 12-09-2011, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

just out of curiosity.. whats the worst thing that can happen if u dont aspirate or if u aspirate and no blood comes out but ur really in a vein or blood vessel???

you can get wicked sick, nasty cough, its nasty, you dont want it to happen.

I think it has happened to Bass actually, he can probably tell you really well what happened

**ConArmas** · 12-09-2011, 07:24 PM

I am invisioning a syringe sticking out of the muscle, twitching back and forth....

**--->>405<<---** · 12-10-2011, 07:19 AM

i didnt get to bed last nite til 0200 and had to get up at 0530..so..no cardio..will be lifting today at 1200 though.. i tell u im really not that tired as i thought id have been.. thinking this test cyp may be startn to kick in a little.. i actuallly feel better today than ive felt somedays lately with 7 or 8 hrs sleep!

also had really good morning wood this am.. been waking up looking leaner than the day before and the old johnson appears to be hanging very nicely

thats a good combination in my book!

sorry bout the TMI but its the truth and this is my log so **** it!

**--->>405<<---** · 12-10-2011, 01:36 PM

Well i had an awesome shoulder wkout today!! Startn to see veins and muscles seem to be pumpd up and buldging more than before.. Ive never had veins in arms or shoukders !! Traps were even makn themselves known.. Feeln really good.. Im on day 5 of my 3rd week of TRT...

**ConArmas** · 12-10-2011, 02:52 PM

Good stuff 405. I am following your progress closely, as I am 2 weeks behind you.

**--->>405<<---** · 12-10-2011, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by ConArmas

Good stuff 405. I am following your progress closely, as I am 2 weeks behind you.

Good deal con

im shooting 75mg twice a week.. How bout u??

**ConArmas** · 12-10-2011, 09:02 PM

I will have my 2nd shot of 200/mg Tues AM. I get my first blood test 5 days after shot 3, so that should be very telling...

**--->>405<<---** · 12-11-2011, 08:49 AM

so ur shooting 200mg/week and doing 1 shot/week?

my doc prescribed me 300mgevery 2 weeks and i changed it to 75mg every 3.5 days

**--->>405<<---** · 12-12-2011, 07:23 AM

well tomorrow i meet with my new doctor.. really looking forward to it.. will be getting hcg and prob ai...get complete physical and also meet with exercise physiologist and nutrition expert.. said id be there 2.5 hrs.. will be sure to let yall know how it goes

also begin 4th week TRT today...still waiting to start feeln good.. curious as to whether yall really noticed a diff in how u felt like is it very noticeable or is it more like "well i think i feel better than before?"

**Bill_boy2005** · 12-12-2011, 01:47 PM

405 mine started slow climb towards feeling better. Really around a couple weeks I started to notice it. It has gotten better every week since. Energy, endurance, mental focus, and libido have all improved dramatically for me in 6 weeks. Of course my levels were tanked at the start, so I probably had a quicker improvement than average.

**--->>405<<---** · 12-12-2011, 07:40 PM

Well startd week 4 tonite with a deltoid shot!! Man that was nothing!! So far ive had 4glute shots, 1 quad shot, and 1deltoid shot.. Id say the easiest for me (non were really"hard") is delt followd by glute and the quad coming in as the most painful(mainly a few mins after and then about 3 days of charlie horse)

Tomorrow:new doc

**--->>405<<---** · 12-12-2011, 07:42 PM

Bill thx for the response man btw

My free test was also pretty low:7.3(8.7-25.6)

Do yall think its possible to feel a tad low on day 3.5 doing 2shots/7days???

**ConArmas** · 12-12-2011, 11:27 PM

Yes, 405, one shot per week. We have yet to iron out any particulars as I am just starting.
Glad to hear that you get to see your new doc. Sounds very promising!

**--->>405<<---** · 12-13-2011, 01:48 PM

Well had new doc appt today.. Went really well

new protocal: test cyp 100mg every 3.5 days; hcg 250 iu the day before each shot.. No AI as of yet he said BW in 6 weeks and if i need an AI then i can get arimidex .. He also said if i have symptoms between now and then to give them a call and hell call me in a script for it.. Also in 6 weeks wants to chek T3 and HGH .. He also gave me a list of vitamins to buy .. Fish oil,vit d3; (50mg/day)dhea,melatonin, vit c, and coq 10 ... So im feeln pretty good about him...

**bass** · 12-13-2011, 02:05 PM

excellent! you have a good doc!

**--->>405<<---** · 12-13-2011, 05:00 PM

Also i want to note he has me using 1/2" 30g strait into quad...he said i could use the samr needle for delt and if i did glute use 1"... He said even if it didnt get past fat it would still be absorbed... He also said thats how he does it on himself.. One interesting thing he taught me about drawing and changing tip.. Said even though my dose is .5ml to draw out say 1ml then flick to get bubbles to the top.. Then push the rest back into vial where i only have .5ml left .. Thrn pull needle out of vial.. Then pull back on plunger to suck all the test out of needle so that some air gets into syringe... This will get all the test out of drawing needle.. Then push plunger til the test gets to the tip Nd put 30g needle on and push again til one drop comes out of tip and then inject.. That way i dont lose any test to drawing needle .. Never thought of that..

**--->>405<<---** · 12-13-2011, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by bass

excellent! you have a good doc!

Thx bass makes me feel good to hear u say that

are any of yall on any of these vitamins/supplements?

**bass** · 12-13-2011, 05:19 PM

im on fish oil and vitamin D3.

**--->>405<<---** · 12-14-2011, 09:21 PM

Well i start hcg tomorrow .. Will be. CUrious to see wat effect it has.. Apparently alot of guys experience more "well being" from hcg?? Next shot .. Friday 100mg ... I know more is not necess better .. Its hard to not think that way ...

**--->>405<<---** · 12-14-2011, 09:24 PM

ALso should i do hcg 24hrs prior to test shot or just some time the day before.. Like i do test mon nite and fri am so should i do hcg sun nite and thur am or does the time of day matter?? Also why the day before?? What diff does it make??

**--->>405<<---** · 12-16-2011, 06:31 AM

well first shot of 100mg dun this am.. used 30g 1/2" strait into quad..man u wanna talk bout tuff to push thru.. i think it hurt more then the 1" 25G cuz it took so long and i had to push so hard.. i would guess over the long run itd prob do less damage to the muscle than the 25g 1"?

4th week of trt concluded.. no major noticeable difference in how i feel.. maybe not so tired during the day.. i can see how my body seems more responsive to lifting..

**lvs** · 12-16-2011, 04:53 PM

heck if it hurts more I would go back to 25g 1". do what works best for you...

**JD250** · 12-16-2011, 05:01 PM

I don't understand using an insulin pin for an IM injection, of course it hurt with all the moving around you do trying to push the oil through, it's gonna cause more than usual scar tissue too, that same injection done SQ into fat won't hurt cuz fat doesn't care if you wiggle a bit.

**--->>405<<---** · 12-16-2011, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by JD250

I don't understand using an insulin pin for an IM injection, of course it hurt with all the moving around you do trying to push the oil through, it's gonna cause more than usual scar tissue too, that same injection done SQ into fat won't hurt cuz fat doesn't care if you wiggle a bit.

dont like the sound of that.. and i was moving a bit.. the other needles i have r tuberculin syringes?? and he said not to use those with the 30 g cuz itll pop the needle off the end.. but i dont have 30g needles anyways i have 25g.. i tell u these damn needles have really been a pain in my ass!! (pun intended!)

ive got 200 syringes and 500 needles! LOL...

i suppose i could switch betweeen sq and im whenever i feel inclined?

**ConArmas** · 12-16-2011, 09:39 PM

405, I am also taking supplements: 1 daily vite, 1 fish oil, and 6000mg D3.

**JD250** · 12-17-2011, 12:57 AM

All I know is when I shoot oil sub Q through an insulin pin.....I move an awful lot from pushing on that thin little 1ml syringe with the plunger pulled ALL the way out and it would seem to me that the same movement done shallow in a muscle would cut it up and cause scar tissue. Also you should try to get deeper in the muscle anyways at least an inch for the quad and prolly an inch and a half for the glutes....although I do use a 1incher for glutes, I just push it up harder against my cheek before injecting. I pull with an 18 and pin with a 25 and I've never had a needle blow off, just make sure they are good and tight and don't get in a hurry.