--->>405<<--- trt thread

**--->>405<<---** · 11-22-2011, 05:49 PM

Well u wer rite.. 200mg/ml
Tat puts me startn at 150mg/ week
Video was helpful thx
25g 1 1/2" needle into butt...

**--->>405<<---** · 11-22-2011, 07:46 PM

Well first injection is dun man!

Had to get wife to do it cuz i cant reach back there.. Now fling the syringe was kind of a pain.. I pulld bak the plungr to 3/4ml of air and tyen stuck syringe in bottle and pushd air into it and then tried to pull out test and nothing would come out.. Thinking i did it wrong i did it again... This time i was more patient but it still took like 5 mins to get it all out.. Do u guys sit there and hold the bottle and syringe that long everytime?? As far as the inject it was virtually pain free... Not wat i expected out of 25g needle 1 1/2" long

i could def do tat twice a week

**--->>405<<---** · 11-22-2011, 07:49 PM

Also and this is prob a stupid question but do i base my measurement on the inside part of the black rubber stopper inside the plunger where it meets the liquid? Just wanna be sure

**bigboy67** · 11-22-2011, 07:51 PM

measure the ring part that rubs up directly against the syringe barrel, not the cone part in the middle

**bigboy67** · 11-22-2011, 07:53 PM

it takes a long time unless you use a bigger needle to draw from teh vial and a small syringe to inject. I use one barrel with an 18g needle to draw the Test out of the vial, does it super quick. then I take off the 18g, replace with a 25g, and inject (I use my quads too so i can do it myself)

**--->>405<<---** · 11-22-2011, 07:57 PM

Yeh wasnt sure about the cone thing so i went with the one that gave me more where it rubs the sides

Thx man ...

Also do u use 1 1/2" on quad???

**bigboy67** · 11-22-2011, 08:03 PM

ya, i use a 1.5, but i only bury an inch of the needle, not the whole thing, if i do my delt, i only do like .75 inch in

**--->>405<<---** · 11-22-2011, 08:08 PM

Ok. Cool.. Now im wondering how long itll be before i notice any change in how i feel and stuff .. Ive read the sti kies but from posts ive read on here it appears the sticky errs to the longer side where alot of guys notice stuff sooner...

**--->>405<<---** · 11-22-2011, 08:09 PM

Does the quad give u any pain ?? With the inch and a half 25g?

**bigboy67** · 11-22-2011, 08:15 PM

nope, sit down, loosen muscle, no flex, alcohol swab, pinch skin together, stick (about an inch in), aspirate , inject, enjoy (lol)

**--->>405<<---** · 11-22-2011, 08:46 PM

cool .. Have u ever drawn bak blood when aspirating? Do u inject 1x/week or 2x/week?? I tell u it was interesting figuring out 75 ml cuz its in between hash marks.. If i go 2x/week itll be 3.75 hash mark instead of 7.5... I am using a 3ml syringe .. I suppose i could do 4 hash marks 1st of week and then 3 hash marks the second inject... Or something...seems easiernthan trying for 3/4 of a hashmark

**ConArmas** · 11-23-2011, 01:57 AM

Thanks 405 for posting your experiences.

**--->>405<<---** · 11-23-2011, 08:44 AM

hey no prob con... well woke up this am feeling no difft

i do realize itll take awhile.. i did have some bizarre dreams last nite.. seemd to sleep hard too ... now that i know nothing is wrong with me seriously im prob gonna transfer to a difft doc at an age mgmt place who knows very well the protocol and starts everyone on test,ai,and hcg rite off the bat.. costs 1000$ up front and labs and scripts r coverd by insurance .. then its just 700$/year to cover visits.. seems very reasonable.. and like i said previously he was trained by Dr. Jeffry Life.. so i think he knows wats up.. anyone have any thoughts on that?? my current endo said hes open to ai but i may have a prob with hcg... he said he didnt think insurance would cover it which from wat ive heard its pretty cheap...

**bigboy67** · 11-23-2011, 10:02 AM

Try getting smaller pins. There are 1ml and 2ml pins as well I believe that you could buy online. Makes the measuring easier. If it's too hard to measure you will probably do what I do and give yourself the tiny little extra bit and round up on the tick marks to an even one

**bass** · 11-23-2011, 12:42 PM

this is why i love SQ injections, i can do it more than once a week, measure very accurately with 1ml syringe and inject myself! good luck 405, you will notice changes in how you feel in about 3-6 weeks! BTW, if i were you i'll go twice a week.

**--->>405<<---** · 11-23-2011, 01:40 PM

YEH BASE IVE ALREADY STARTED THE PROCESS of switching docs now i know theres nothing wrong with me seriously

so i should be going on hcg and ai in the next 2 weeks
as well as sub q injects..

**--->>405<<---** · 11-24-2011, 10:20 AM

Happy thxgiving everyone.. Slightly sore butt around the injection site .. Not bad just slight.. Makes me think a smaller needle mite be a good idea.. Anyone else bury 25g 1 1/2" needle in their butts??

**bass** · 11-24-2011, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

Happy thxgiving everyone.. Slightly sore butt around the injection site .. Not bad just slight.. Makes me think a smaller needle mite be a good idea.. Anyone else bury 25g 1 1/2" needle in their butts??

yea all the way until i see a big dent from bottoming out, this is the way it supposed to be! don't worry about the soreness, most of us get it early on, but it will fade away the more you do it. BTW, soreness may last up to 4 days so don't worry about it. have a great Thanksgiving!

**--->>405<<---** · 11-24-2011, 02:22 PM

Ok good deal.. Now if i decide to do the quad (cuz i think im gonna be going 2x/week should i get 1" 25g and do the same thing? 1.5" seems a littl long for quad...

**bass** · 11-24-2011, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

Ok good deal.. Now if i decide to do the quad (cuz i think im gonna be going 2x/week should i get 1" 25g and do the same thing? 1.5" seems a littl long for quad...

yes or you can use the 1.5" just stick it 1" in.

**--->>405<<---** · 11-28-2011, 06:51 PM

Well tomorrow is injection #2.. i must say ive been looking forward to tomorrow since last tuesday

anyone else like that?? I also will be splitting my dose again to 75mg.. And then another 75mg fri nite..

Funny i got a script from GP for 100mg/ml test and then when i went to endo he gave me another script fir 200mg/ml test so i have 2 scripts... Think until i get more needles ill use the 100mg stuff .. It doesnt matter does it? Itll just be easier to measure 75mg in a 3ml syringe with the 100mg stuff rather than the 200.. Just wanna be sure.. Test is test rite?? Both r cyp just difft mg/ml values..

Also since yestrday ive noticed my libido has gone up.. May just be psychological.. Also i am getting dizzy when i stand up.. Think i read about others here somewhere experiencing the same thing..

**--->>405<<---** · 11-28-2011, 06:56 PM

Oh yeh one more thing.. My buddies seeing me come up low on test decided to get tested themselves .. 3 of them .. All 3 came back low!! Thats 4 out of 4 of us with low test going on trt.. Interesting..

**bass** · 11-29-2011, 12:25 AM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

Oh yeh one more thing.. My buddies seeing me come up low on test decided to get tested themselves .. 3 of them .. All 3 came back low!! Thats 4 out of 4 of us with low test going on trt.. Interesting..

not surprising at all, especially with all the stress we're dealing with these days!

**--->>405<<---** · 11-29-2011, 05:32 PM

well i had 2nd injection today.. 75mg.. gonna go another 75 fri evening.. now with my wk schedule sometmes i may not be home at the rite time.. for example last week i did my first injection tuesday pm.. today i knew i was gonna be at work til late so i went ahead and injected this am so it was about 12 hrs early.. friday i may be at work in the evening so im not sure when ill do it.. do yall think 12 hrs will matter over the big picture?? like would it be ok if im gonna wk late friday to just inject friday in the am instead of at nite? but then still keep the next dose at tuesday am.. the mornings wont be a prob but the nite time doses could.. thx

**bass** · 11-29-2011, 06:27 PM

i don't think it makes a difference.

**--->>405<<---** · 11-29-2011, 07:40 PM

Ok good deal thx man.. Just out of. CUriosity how do u pronounce ur screenname? Is it bass like the fish or bass like the guitar?? All this time ive been thinking of it like the bass guitar but then realized it could be bass like the fish

so just wanted to get it strait..

Also instead of getn needles strait off internet i calld my endo office aNd told them i needed difft needles and told em why(cuz im injecting 2x/week not 1x/2weeks like the doc prescribed) and shes cheking w doc to see if hell approve the switch.. Not that i care

i am curious to see how he will react though.. The main reason i told em is cuz i tried to get em online but before i ordered the separate needles and syringes i wanted to make sure the needles i was ordering would fit onto the syringez i was ordering.. So i calld the 800 number and the guy that answered told me "they should in theory but we dont guarantee theyll fit" ... What an idiot!!! How r u gonna work for a medical supply company and not know anything about the supplies ur selling?? He was supposd to have a supervisor call me but i never heard anything.. So instead of spending 60bucks i figd id try the doc too which also will confirm whether or not hes the kind of doc thatll work with me.. Not that it matters cuz im swit hing docs anyways but i am abit curious..

**--->>405<<---** · 12-01-2011, 08:56 PM

Well endo approved the needles knowing i was taking it upon mysfelf to shoot test 2x/week at 75mg/shot after he prescribed it at 300mg every 2weeks.. Im surprised.. 3rd shot tomorrow.. Will prob try the 25g 1" quad and inject myself.. Curious to see how that goes.. Felt pretty energetic today

lookn forward to this stuff really kicking in...

**bass** · 12-02-2011, 12:34 AM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

Ok good deal thx man.. Just out of. CUriosity how do u pronounce ur screenname? Is it bass like the fish or bass like the guitar?? All this time ive been thinking of it like the bass guitar but then realized it could be bass like the fish

so just wanted to get it strait..

Also instead of getn needles strait off internet i calld my endo office aNd told them i needed difft needles and told em why(cuz im injecting 2x/week not 1x/2weeks like the doc prescribed) and shes cheking w doc to see if hell approve the switch.. Not that i care

i am curious to see how he will react though.. The main reason i told em is cuz i tried to get em online but before i ordered the separate needles and syringes i wanted to make sure the needles i was ordering would fit onto the syringez i was ordering.. So i calld the 800 number and the guy that answered told me "they should in theory but we dont guarantee theyll fit" ... What an idiot!!! How r u gonna work for a medical supply company and not know anything about the supplies ur selling?? He was supposd to have a supervisor call me but i never heard anything.. So instead of spending 60bucks i figd id try the doc too which also will confirm whether or not hes the kind of doc thatll work with me.. Not that it matters cuz im swit hing docs anyways but i am abit curious..

Bass like the fish! as for the needles, your syringe and needle should be luer lock. i believe luer lock is international size and its only one size and one style.

**--->>405<<---** · 12-02-2011, 09:07 AM

good deal man thx bass like the fish

i get needles n syringes today at lunch.. inject # 3 tonite.. itll be my first self inject ..gonna try the quad w/1" 25g

**--->>405<<---** · 12-02-2011, 09:11 PM

Well so much for getn needles from the phArmacy.. Cvs apparently cannot get 25g 5/8" needles and they dont and/or cannot get sryinges with needles separately.. U can only get them Alltogether ... And also it seemd as though me standing there at the counter discussing all this with the bitch pharmacist caused me to become the object of a certain amount of scrutiny for reasons im not certain unless that a youngish healthy looking guy buying a couple hundres needles can only mean something illegAl in their eyes.. What a bunch of incompetant assholes! How can a pharmacy not be able to get needles?????? Thats what i wanna know...

**ConArmas** · 12-02-2011, 09:25 PM

Sorry about your needle dilemma.

I remember going with my ex-Bro-in-Law to get syringes at the pharmacy for his "b-12 shots".
At the time, he was 5'-10" and about 240, at about 8-10 % BF. We definitely go the look and the cold shoulder from the pharmacist.

**--->>405<<---** · 12-03-2011, 05:38 PM

Thx con.. No worries my soon to be new doctor calld me today to make sure i was gonna schedule an appt with him next week.. Now thats what im talkn bout.. Imagine that.. A doctor actually personally calling u on ur cellphone to discuss ur trt program.. Makn appt monday for next week .. Hes gonna have me IM (or whatever u wanna call it) with 30g 1/2"slin pin strait into quad , glute, and some area in the hip he said hed show me.. They also have wkout physiologist and nutrition expert to meet with.. Also will start hcg and AI when necessary .. Lookn forward to this coming week.. Hes the one who traind undr dr jeffry life i told yall bout..

**--->>405<<---** · 12-05-2011, 10:28 PM

Well shot #4 is dun.. This time there was a fair amt of pain during injection(not intolerable but noticeable) and now 30 mins later theres a slight burning sensation at the inject site... I hope thats not a sign that its gonna hurt like hell the next few days... I had a buddy who said one time his hurt really bad for a few days to the extent of losing sleep.. I think i postd on here askn bout it

**Brohim** · 12-05-2011, 10:57 PM

Man sounds like you got some great peeps around you. workout guy, nutritionist, doc trained on HRT. I would use all those those guys!

Get those slin pin's and no more pain for ya!

**yannick35** · 12-05-2011, 11:00 PM

I started with androgel gel 1 pouch per day in the morning, i was offered injections but decided to ***** out of it.

I was on the gel for 2 weeks, tought it was really not fun to rub this on my arm then shoulder then arm back again and in the mean time wait until the gel dried to wear a shirt. I also suffered from terrible side effect related to the gel, joint pain where terrible in the second week. I called the pharmacy and they told me it was a side effect from the gel.

I was going back to my medical doctor and asked him to put me on test E 200mg per week. He wrote me a 6 month presic injecting 200mg per 7 day.

At the pharmacy they gave me 21 gauge to inject with, i almost fainted when i saw the size of the needle.

When i got home, i told my girlfriend to go shopping, put me 4 cats in the basement and locked the bathroom door.

I tried to inject on the leg first, stab, ouch and the needle did not go in...... stab a bit harder, ouch and needle did not go in second time.......

I was sweating like a pig, no man i cannot do this it hurts like hell, how am i going to do this. I put the syring on the counter, and said screw this i am going back on gel, i cannot do this for the rest of my life.

F*KKK it, pants down glute time............ all or nothing........... sweat sweat sweat sweat some more........ ok i just put the tip of the needle in the upper glute and pushed a bit...... what the hell, the needle was in..... i felt nothing, i did not stab, i just pushed......... 5 minutes later it was all over, the needle was out the plaster was put on the injection site. I was massaging the area and i felt no pain. The next day very small burning but that was it.

I am at my sixth injection now pain free, i tried delt which was not that bad and around the upper tight where the hip joint is, i am doing some prolotherapy on myself with test E to fix my hip as well.

All that commotion for nothing. I did not switch to twice a week yet, i feel that for now once a week is quite enought.

As many here i did not suffer from erectile disfunction, no loss in libidio either, i am still very much in love with my girlfriend and she is still having that effect on me. So sex was not an issue. Kind of weird, i was depressed, i was gaining weight around the waist, i also lost a lot of strenght since last summer, and i had some really bad chronic pains in the upper back, also pains in the joints, hands, feet, knees.

All of theses pains are gone and getting better and better after each injection.

**ConArmas** · 12-05-2011, 11:20 PM

405, keep us updated on your post-injection pain/burning.
You are a lucky man with the resources you have via your doctor!

**lvs** · 12-06-2011, 08:35 AM

Van,

I am on androgel 1.62% 4-pumps per day and have noticed my elbow joint pain has gotten much worse. Did you have any other sides? I am having headaches and some lightheadedness/dizziness?

Originally Posted by yannick35

I started with androgel gel 1 pouch per day in the morning, i was offered injections but decided to ***** out of it.

I was on the gel for 2 weeks, tought it was really not fun to rub this on my arm then shoulder then arm back again and in the mean time wait until the gel dried to wear a shirt. I also suffered from terrible side effect related to the gel, joint pain where terrible in the second week. I called the pharmacy and they told me it was a side effect from the gel.

I was going back to my medical doctor and asked him to put me on test E 200mg per week. He wrote me a 6 month presic injecting 200mg per 7 day.

At the pharmacy they gave me 21 gauge to inject with, i almost fainted when i saw the size of the needle.

When i got home, i told my girlfriend to go shopping, put me 4 cats in the basement and locked the bathroom door.

I tried to inject on the leg first, stab, ouch and the needle did not go in...... stab a bit harder, ouch and needle did not go in second time.......

I was sweating like a pig, no man i cannot do this it hurts like hell, how am i going to do this. I put the syring on the counter, and said screw this i am going back on gel, i cannot do this for the rest of my life.

F*KKK it, pants down glute time............ all or nothing........... sweat sweat sweat sweat some more........ ok i just put the tip of the needle in the upper glute and pushed a bit...... what the hell, the needle was in..... i felt nothing, i did not stab, i just pushed......... 5 minutes later it was all over, the needle was out the plaster was put on the injection site. I was massaging the area and i felt no pain. The next day very small burning but that was it.

I am at my sixth injection now pain free, i tried delt which was not that bad and around the upper tight where the hip joint is, i am doing some prolotherapy on myself with test E to fix my hip as well.

All that commotion for nothing. I did not switch to twice a week yet, i feel that for now once a week is quite enought.

As many here i did not suffer from erectile disfunction, no loss in libidio either, i am still very much in love with my girlfriend and she is still having that effect on me. So sex was not an issue. Kind of weird, i was depressed, i was gaining weight around the waist, i also lost a lot of strenght since last summer, and i had some really bad chronic pains in the upper back, also pains in the joints, hands, feet, knees.

All of theses pains are gone and getting better and better after each injection.

**--->>405<<---** · 12-06-2011, 01:06 PM

Well guys im happy to say the old butt cheek is back to normal

**ConArmas** · 12-06-2011, 09:07 PM

Good to hear. I had the slightest of burning sensation periodically today (my first inj.) but felt nothing during the actual poke.

**--->>405<<---** · 12-08-2011, 04:19 PM

well guys i finally got the needles.. i have a qquestion.. now when i draw with 21 g and remove.. theres a hole at the tip of the syringe where the needle connects.. is that ok?? basically the needle just pushes onto the syringe..theres no twist that i can see. however i do twist it to take it off.. i dont think i have to it just makes it easier...

my main question is this hole.. is it ok for there to be a hole there til i put the injecting needle tip on?? i dont think any will spill out but if i push on the plunger it would come out??

thx