Phera-Plex the replacement for Superdrol

**Papi93** · 12-25-2005, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by sputnik

hey Bryan I suggested, based on the reviews I've seen and my own current usage, to do 10,20,20,30 or something similar, what do u think?

I always wondered why you just don't go 20mg throughout?

**sputnik** · 12-25-2005, 07:59 PM

something about letting ur body adjust to it, so that if u jump straight into 20 it may be a bit of a waste in ur 1st week....having said that I jumped straight into 20mg...bt I do see the value in starting at 10 and taking it to 3 for the last week

**Bryan2** · 12-25-2005, 08:02 PM

Yes it can work but with this compound there really isnt too much negative sides fot the body to have thus there really isnt too much use in "easing" into the compound.

But it is always best to play around with doses and see how your own body will personally react to it.

**Bryan2** · 12-25-2005, 08:03 PM

I noticed your avatar sputnik any affiliation or you just really like there products???

**sputnik** · 12-25-2005, 08:43 PM

Bryan, first a fan, but as of a cpl of months ago an AvantLabs rep...I would never use a co's logo as an avatar, otherwise I would use 3 or 4 logos!

Ur right about little sides at all....except agression of course

**chest6** · 12-26-2005, 12:52 AM

Originally Posted by Bryan2

P6 was put out as a blend of PHs by cellucor it was alright but didnt have enough one 1 PH to be cost effective

iols meaning the diol version of the PHs first were diones which converted to the target hormone at a lower rate then the diols.

yup...thanks bryan. P6 wasnt all that great..MAG 10 was pretty good but it was a prosteroid

**cmax** · 12-27-2005, 12:22 AM

How does Phera-Plex compare to 1-TU and 4AD in terms of effectiveness and side effects?

**Natural Mac** · 01-02-2006, 10:05 AM

Sounds like phera plex is some good sh!t. I ran a 4 week cycle of SD with great results, but my cholesterol levels went to crap. My Doctor nearly shit and put me on Vytorin. Needless to say, I will never use SD again. Has anyone had any blood work done post cycle to see the sides? How does PP affect Cholesterol and blood levels? Thanks.

**Papi93** · 01-02-2006, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Natural Mac

Sounds like phera plex is some good sh!t. I ran a 4 week cycle of SD with great results, but my cholesterol levels went to crap. My Doctor nearly shit and put me on Vytorin. Needless to say, I will never use SD again. Has anyone had any blood work done post cycle to see the sides? How does PP affect Cholesterol and blood levels? Thanks.

Excellent question! Bump for replies.

**fLgAtOr** · 01-02-2006, 10:56 PM

Had mine done 2 or 3 months after with a HDL of 44 and a LDL of 105...Total cholesterol of 165.

Used SD for 4 weeks and then Ergomax for the next 4.

**DWayne** · 01-03-2006, 08:32 AM

How is PP on the hairline? Of all the posts i have read so far, no reports of hairloss. Seems like as androgenic as it is, hairloss would be a given. Any bros prone to baldness try this yet?

**Papi93** · 01-03-2006, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by fLgAtOr

Had mine done 2 or 3 months after with a HDL of 44 and a LDL of 105...Total cholesterol of 165.

Used SD for 4 weeks and then Ergomax for the next 4.

It was done 2-3 months after 4 weeks of SD and 4 weeks of Ergomax (total of 8 weeks)? Thanks for the reply!

**Natural Mac** · 01-07-2006, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by fLgAtOr

Had mine done 2 or 3 months after with a HDL of 44 and a LDL of 105...Total cholesterol of 165.

Used SD for 4 weeks and then Ergomax for the next 4.

WOW! That is some awesome levels. You either have great genetics or are one conditioned freak.

**fLgAtOr** · 01-07-2006, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by Natural Mac

WOW! That is some awesome levels. You either have great genetics or are one conditioned freak.

Really? Or are you just messin' with me?

All I know is that Total is suposed to be under 200, HDL needs to be = or > than 40, and LDL needs to be under 130. And this is just according to my sheet that I got back from the doc. My triglycerides were 78 and needed to be under 150. Got lots of other numbers that I really didn't care about too..in case anyone is curious.

fL

**Bojangles69** · 01-09-2006, 09:32 PM

hows the blood pressure with pp, last cycle i did was m1t and died on day 6 cause my bp was through the roof i was gettn dizzy and all, hawthorne did nothing for me.

**max2extreme** · 01-10-2006, 08:27 AM

I dont see how pp can be more effective than sd for me. what about things like high blood pressure, and any of the blah stuff that sd does... do you get the same with pp and do you need to use the same kinda cycle with pp like niacin, etc?

**Bryan2** · 01-10-2006, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by max2extreme

I dont see how pp can be more effective than sd for me. what about things like high blood pressure, and any of the blah stuff that sd does... do you get the same with pp and do you need to use the same kinda cycle with pp like niacin, etc?

you should use the same protective supps on cycle with any oral but PP tends to be ALOT milder in terms of bloodwork and side effects

SVTMuscle* · 01-10-2006, 06:05 PM

I'm on a Ergomax and Prostanozol stack right now that looks like
Ergomax LMG @ 30mg/day
Prostanzol @ 75mg/day
Milk Thistle 3x a day with each

PCT will be, Anabolic Extremes PCT and ZMA

**Papi93** · 01-16-2006, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by SVTMuscle

I'm on a Ergomax and Prostanozol stack right now that looks like
Ergomax LMG @ 30mg/day
Prostanzol @ 75mg/day
Milk Thistle 3x a day with each

PCT will be, Anabolic Extremes PCT and ZMA

I would take out the ZMA (or leave in if you got the cash) and add Anabolic Xtreme's Retain (blocks cortisol). Cortisol can catabolize muscle during PCT.

SVTMuscle* · 01-16-2006, 01:33 PM

Yeah I took out the ZMA and im adding anabolic extrains "retain" stack, (PCT, Retain, and Rampage) Thursday.

But i'm getting amazing gains from the Ergo/Prostan stack

**Milky87** · 01-16-2006, 09:06 PM

^ keep us updated on your progress please

**bigbr** · 01-17-2006, 09:53 AM

I allready take a cholestrol medication. Will it effect a cycle of PP.

**Papi93** · 01-17-2006, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by Milky87

^ keep us updated on your progress please

Milky87, do you know how Phera Plex affects cholesterol? Is it as harsh as Superdrol?

**Milky87** · 01-17-2006, 09:26 PM

Nope, I have no infomation on that. Will see if I can find any

I didnt find shit on it

**Papi93** · 01-23-2006, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by Milky87

Nope, I have no infomation on that. Will see if I can find any

I didnt find shit on it

Wow, stumped a guru

. JK, Milky87.

Anyway, I read that you are a proponent of nolva PCTs (without clomid that is). I remember reading that nolva improves your blood profiles, after a cycle. Have you read anything about this? Does clomid have the same effect, if so?

**Bryan2** · 01-23-2006, 04:38 PM

PP while still being amethyl will effect your blood levels but isnt too harsh at all.

Clomid works as well for improving lipids but not as well due to the fact that a larger dose is needed and side effects are more prominent at higher doses.

**Milky87** · 01-23-2006, 08:10 PM

Papi93: Me, a guru? aw shux.

Yes I am a fan of straight nolva PCT's. Not only it is more effective, it also makes clomid redundant because they both work via the same pathway. There is also a lower ocurance of side effects.

Another thing that gives me the irits is when people compare arimidex with letrozole , saying that letrozole is stronger even though doses are 1mg and 2.5mg respectively*

*yes, I do realise that not everyone uses these doses. Thes are the doses generally used against breas cancer

**Papi93** · 01-24-2006, 08:28 AM

Thanks guys. What dose would you recommend for a nolva-only PCT? 60mg ED?

**DevilsDeity** · 01-24-2006, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by Papi93

Thanks guys. What dose would you recommend for a nolva-only PCT? 60mg ED?

ill run 10-15mg during cycle and 30 pct

**Papi93** · 01-24-2006, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by DevilsDeity

ill run 10-15mg during cycle and 30 pct

Why do you run 10-15mg during your cycle? Gyno problems?

**DevilsDeity** · 01-24-2006, 09:29 AM

i just always have
1, just in case of gyno (i got burning itchy nips from 1-ad and 4-ad @ high doses after that i always run nolva during)
2, some say it helps lipid profiles.

**Papi93** · 01-24-2006, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by DevilsDeity

i just always have
1, just in case of gyno (i got burning itchy nips from 1-ad and 4-ad @ high doses after that i always run nolva during)
2, some say it helps lipid profiles.

Interesting application, in regards to the lipid profiles. Thanks!

**Milky87** · 01-24-2006, 07:42 PM

40,20,20 should be good enough for only a 3-4 week oral cycle. If you want to go longer, add an extra week at 40

**Papi93** · 01-26-2006, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by Milky87

40,20,20 should be good enough for only a 3-4 week oral cycle. If you want to go longer, add an extra week at 40

Do you experience better results when on the 40mg dose? Some have said yes and some have said anything over 20mg is a waste. I respect your opinion.

**Milky87** · 01-26-2006, 06:24 PM

I was talking in respect to a PCT with nolva, not PP dose.

The only AAS ive used was anavar at 10mg to see if I could squeeze a few more centimeters out of my growth. Im still too young to use AAS in 'real' cycles

**the mani 26** · 04-13-2006, 10:54 AM

what does this mean when someone says 10/20/20/30 as a cycle......how many grams is one SD pill????
please tell me how many i should take a day for how many days.

**novastepp** · 04-13-2006, 11:30 AM

wll find out how many mg are in a serving and the figure out how many pills you need to make 10,20,or 30mg. and do a search...

bump! because this article is HooooougE!

**bangbang82** · 05-04-2006, 06:36 PM

Hey Ive Been On Phera Plex For 12 Days Gained About 5lbs, But It Feels Like A Tighting In My Lower Back Were Kidneys Are, Anyone Know If That Is A Side Effect, Thanks

**StateChamp** · 05-06-2006, 12:17 AM

I have heard others complain of this while using Superdrol but not PP, this would be good to know though. hope everything goes will for ya man...

**Natty99** · 05-06-2006, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by bangbang82

Hey Ive Been On Phera Plex For 12 Days Gained About 5lbs, But It Feels Like A Tighting In My Lower Back Were Kidneys Are, Anyone Know If That Is A Side Effect, Thanks

Probably ur liver bro.......Taking any Milk Thistle?