why we need guns in philly

**Hed** · 12-31-2004, 12:03 AM

Family Guy Quote: "Guns dont kill people, dangerous minorities do!"
Lol.

But anyway, i think for this problem, we all need to look at a small country:
SWITZERLAND

**Prime** · 12-31-2004, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by jcstomper

not true, they can be shipping in from differant countries. or from people stealing them from the factories. most gun owners keep there guns in safes at home, as do i. except for the gun i keep on me, its either on me or under my pillow when i sleep

Stolen from people who own them or stolen from the people making them for people to buy, etither way these guns are being built for 'home protection' but ending up on the other side of teh equation. Im not naieve enough to think outlawing something will make it dissapear altogether but it would certianly bring the figures down. Duck of death you sell guns i believe so im not suprised you have a very closed singleminded and unobjective veiwpoint.

**Prime** · 12-31-2004, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by TRLS63

the same thing happened in montreal, canada i think 3 years ago. and its absolutely illegal to keep a firearm on you if youre a normal citizen...

Thanks man thats a good point in favour of my argument. Thats 3 years everyone not one every 10 mins.

**Phillyboy1** · 12-31-2004, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by Prime

Stolen from people who own them or stolen from the people making them for people to buy, etither way these guns are being built for 'home protection' but ending up on the other side of teh equation. Im not naieve enough to think outlawing something will make it dissapear altogether but it would certianly bring the figures down. Duck of death you sell guns i believe so im not suprised you have a very closed singleminded and unobjective veiwpoint.

i understand what you are saying, and i wish it was true, but here in america it just wouldnt work. if you banned guns, the criminals that dont follow the law anyway would still get them. no company is ever gonna stop making guns, between the armed forces of the world and the police forces of the world guns will always be made. even if the general public doesnt have access to them the criminals will still have it. then we would see a increase of home break ins and that sort of crime. it just would not work in this country.

**GQ-Bouncer** · 12-31-2004, 08:28 AM

while were banning guns, we should ban martial arts, fighting sports and wieght lifting.

**palme** · 12-31-2004, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by GQ-Bouncer

while were banning guns, we should ban martial arts, fighting sports and wieght lifting.

And why not ban criminals...? Yes lets make it illegal to be a criminal!!

**Phillyboy1** · 12-31-2004, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by palme

And why not ban criminals...? Yes lets make it illegal to be a criminal!!

lol if that sh-t would only work then we wouldnt even need guns lol

**Prime** · 12-31-2004, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by jcstomper

i understand what you are saying, and i wish it was true, but here in america it just wouldnt work. if you banned guns, the criminals that dont follow the law anyway would still get them. no company is ever gonna stop making guns, between the armed forces of the world and the police forces of the world guns will always be made. even if the general public doesnt have access to them the criminals will still have it. then we would see a increase of home break ins and that sort of crime. it just would not work in this country.

Well i guess we have to agree to disagree. Criminals over here have guns as well, but not petty criminals or kids(at least not enough to worry about too much). Why? because altho theyre not too hard to find they arent cheap and the sentencing you get if you carry a gun is really high. Guns are becoming a greater problem over here but compared to america its nothing. I honestly feel kinda sorry for you guys if you live in fear, feel you have to carry weaopns strapped to youre bodies and sleep with one under your pillow. If anything i would have thought you would all be campaigning for stricter gun control, but from what i can see America instead seems to be a country in love with its guns. I guess you have grown up exposed to a very different and opposite veiwpoint then myself.

**Duck of Death** · 12-31-2004, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by Prime

Stolen from people who own them or stolen from the people making them for people to buy, etither way these guns are being built for 'home protection' but ending up on the other side of teh equation. Im not naieve enough to think outlawing something will make it dissapear altogether but it would certianly bring the figures down. Duck of death you sell guns i believe so im not suprised you have a very closed singleminded and unobjective veiwpoint.

..... Riiiiight. Since I disagree with you, I am "closed singleminded and unobjective". I cite specifics and cases that support my viewpoint and you cite nothing exceept to parrot the rantings of anti-gun zealots who would disarm the wrong segment of the populace. Who is unobjective? Please cite your figures that show that all guns in the hands of criminals have been stolen frrom those who have bought them legally. Please cite statistics that show that gun bans significantly impact the rate of gun homicides. It certainly didnt in the UK or Australia!
Finally, where did you get the idea that I sell guns?? For the record, I dont, but I am a certified combat handgun instructor and am "objective" enough to realize that you dont disarm the law-abiding citizen when violence against individuals, children, and women is epidemic.
We had a case here in Ohio recently where a convenience store owner, who was sick of being robbed, obtained his concealed-carry permit. TWO DAYS after he got it, a thug barged into his store, robbed him, and pointed his weapon at the store owner in preparation to shooting him. The store owner drew his pistol and shot the goof twice. I suppose you would have preferred he be unarmed and dead right now??
Sorry, but we dont need less guns. We need more trained and courageous citizens WITH guns out there.

**BARLOW** · 12-31-2004, 09:19 AM

well if we dont have guns, who's gonna protect us? the cops arent there for our protection every second, lets say..... your house is being broken into, you call the cops, it takes them 20 minutes to get there, should i hide under my bed and kiss my ass goodbye? hell no, imma pull out mr. d eagle and put a nice big hole in him. so the point being, if they banned guns, the criminals would get them, rendering normal civilians defenseless. plus the government makes a ton of money off gun companies, so good luck with that, and yes the government has many hidden agendas.

**BigMike J** · 12-31-2004, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by palme

And why not ban criminals...? Yes lets make it illegal to be a criminal!!

that's about the dumbest shiet i have ever heard.. but it's a funny thought.

**palme** · 12-31-2004, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by Duck of Death

..... Riiiiight. Since I disagree with you, I am "closed singleminded and unobjective". I cite specifics and cases that support my viewpoint and you cite nothing exceept to parrot the rantings of anti-gun zealots who would disarm the wrong segment of the populace. Who is unobjective? Please cite your figures that show that all guns in the hands of criminals have been stolen frrom those who have bought them legally. Please cite statistics that show that gun bans significantly impact the rate of gun homicides. It certainly didnt in the UK or Australia!
Finally, where did you get the idea that I sell guns?? For the record, I dont, but I am a certified combat handgun instructor and am "objective" enough to realize that you dont disarm the law-abiding citizen when violence against individuals, children, and women is epidemic.
We had a case here in Ohio recently where a convenience store owner, who was sick of being robbed, obtained his concealed-carry permit. TWO DAYS after he got it, a thug barged into his store, robbed him, and pointed his weapon at the store owner in preparation to shooting him. The store owner drew his pistol and shot the goof twice. I suppose you would have preferred he be unarmed and dead right now??
Sorry, but we dont need less guns. We need more trained and courageous citizens WITH guns out there.

Here in Sweden he would with 98% be charged with murder (even if it was selfdefense), what did he get? Nothing?

**palme** · 12-31-2004, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by BigMike J

that's about the dumbest shiet i have ever heard.. but it's a funny thought.

That was my point bitch

**AVAGO** · 12-31-2004, 10:28 AM

Guns are not the problem. Violent ppl who carry them are.

So i guess mr kalashnikov has nothing to answer too ?? thats like sayin heroins not the problem its the junkies ....

**Elysium** · 12-31-2004, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by palme

And why not ban criminals...? Yes lets make it illegal to be a criminal!!

lol you fool.

Reminds me of an Ali G sketch, he was talking about terrorists and how to control them. He suggested that we let them blow up buildings, but only the crappy ones, like ones that were gonna fall down anyway.

lol very funny

**Sierra_Breeze** · 12-31-2004, 03:47 PM

dejavu....I'm not getting roped into this same arguement again, all I will say is....when they come for my guns...they can have them bullets first one at a time.

Guys how many people are in prision? And they have no guns...yet they seem to have an abundance of weapons there do they not? How many people are killed in prision? where again I say there are no guns. What's my point you ask? Only that prisions are full of criminals, these guys apparently don't need any guns to off someone, and as over populated as prisions are....the outside world is saddly far more over populated with criminals, who will use anything, not just guns to take out another human being...

I'm just a mild tempered lil country gal, with a leagally owned .357 mag, for self protection....I'm not looking to shoot anyone...but I will not be raped, assaulted, or feel helpless to protect myself or those I love, and have my rights stripped so easily while I'm paying taxes that fund prisions...where they can make a weapon from a bar of soap and a spoon to get out on parole and catch someone in a dark ally and kill them for their shoes!

**Romulus** · 01-01-2005, 03:08 PM

I live in what is undoubtedly one of the roughest continents on the planet (Africa) and believe me when I tell you that in societies where violence is an every day occurrence (Philly sounds like a rough place too) guns are one of the best ways to curb violent crime. Sounds silly I know, but when the only thing that stops three guys on the corner from busting into your property is the fact that they might get cut in half with a 12-gauge, you will understand.

Those same three guys come down the passage and both you and the trio are unarmed, predictable result for you and your loved ones. I'll take my chances with my brothers Smith and Wesson, thank you !!

**maxex** · 01-01-2005, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by palme

And why not ban criminals...? Yes lets make it illegal to be a criminal!!

If thats the case then most of the people on this site would be banned. Last time i checked buying and possesing steroids was illegal.

**skiing** · 01-01-2005, 06:45 PM

messy uk and prime this is america and we are protected by the constitution with the right to bear arms. You are wrong plain and simple and all others who think that banning will make a difffernece are wrong also.

GOD Bless AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Keep her safe I will do my part and am happy to belong to the greatest country in the world set up with forefathers who had the insight to give us the right to bear arms

**justin2305** · 01-02-2005, 03:14 AM

Originally Posted by kloter1

u gotta luv them north...NOT

agreed

**palme** · 01-03-2005, 01:18 AM

Originally Posted by MMA

thats f^cked up. the guy was pointing a gun at him. does he have to shoot you in sweden b4 it's self defense? how many times? does it have to be a vital organ?

whats the logic behind this?

There is no logic here.

We did not send back a known terrorist (he had killed and bombed alot of people) cause if we did he might be tortured in his home country...this piece of **** we protect...i love my country but the politicians are ****ing it up so much i want to move.

***xxx*** · 01-03-2005, 06:33 AM

exactly, if u punish gun CRIMES severely, they will decline

I dont think so. u have capital punishment in most of the states - still u have murder, rape etc. there is no link between declining criminal rates and capital punishment. period.

and think about it: why are there about 11.000 deaths in the US linked to guns? Germany has 1/3 of the population of the US and we have abot 300 death connectetd withguns. we have a ban of guns, so 99% of the ppl dont own one. and yes, our criminal rates are lower then in the US. I do not feel insecure without a gun. Actually I would feel more insecure with one and the feeling that I might use it sometime...

**AVAGO** · 01-03-2005, 06:39 AM

originaly posted by ***xxx***

I do not feel insecure without a gun. Actually I would feel more insecure with one and the feeling that I might use it sometime...

**Juggernaut** · 01-03-2005, 07:18 AM

Bros, I'll have to say I'm very pleased I was raised in an era when disputes between two guys was done with a fists....no knives, clubs or guns....just two men with a beef and four fists. If you lost then that was the end of it. Hell it was common to go have a drink with the guy after a fight and laugh about how you hit like a girl. hahahaha But now days everyone ones wants to pop a cap in someones ass. If you're a punk ass bitch and can't throw the fist to cuffs then man up and take your ass beating and go home, clean up and hit a little harder and faster next time. If you need a gun to win an argument or an injustice done to you then you're not a MAN. imho

If you ask me the punishment never fits for idiots that do stuff like this. More then likley he'll do time in a pen and get off with good behavior. If I were to make the laws this guy, as well as anyone else who kills someone, would do HARD time for 15-20 years, go on parole for another ten and half of everything he earns for the rest of his life would go to the family of the person he killed......paying someone half your money for the rest of your life would be a pretty good reminder of not to kill someone. I also think executions should be performed in public.....seeing something like that might detour a few criminals.

***xxx*** · 01-04-2005, 04:51 AM

thats exactly my point. if u don t have the maturity to own a gun, u shouldn t be allowed to get one. now tell me: how many of those who shot the 11.000 in the US had the maturity to won a gun? and that s just the death toll...I don t even want to look how many people got injured. so whats better? a public equipped with guns 11.000 ppl a year get killed or a public with no guns where 300 ppl get killed. where would u feel more secure? and yes, in Germany there also are rapes, murders etc.

I didn t say that u have the problems because of the special solution. I said that a harsher punishment doesn t automatically results in lower criminal rates. and that is a fact. otherwise the states with capital punisment would have the lowest criminal rates. there is no correlation between harder punishment and lower criminal rates. period.