Nick Berg

[gya321]

I just saw the beheading for the first time after reading bdtrs thread. Its pretty disturbing. Those sick fvckers oh what Id like to do to them. It just made me really pissed off not sad though. I hope all those bastards get the worst possible punishment ever imagined.

[Neo]

I saw one of those videos and had a hard time sleeping normally for a while. It was the most horrific things I've ever seen. Just the audio made me sick....

[justin2305]

ya i heard the audio but didnt see the video and that made me a lil sick fvck all those mo fos i say we pull our troops out and press the red button not just once but a few good times JMO

[Spyder]

I saw one of those videos and had a hard time sleeping normally for a while. It was the most horrific things I've ever seen. Just the audio made me sick....

same here man ... my curiosity got the better of me and I watched one of them. i thnk the audio is the worst part of all, because you hear the screaming and almost a bit of squealling. its sick. i definately felt sick, for days. sleeping was hard too. i try not to think about it anymore and will never watch something like that again.

[gya321]

Yeah its disgusting. What sick fvcks can do that to someone. There isnt even a punishment bad enough to suit them.

[nsa]

i say we pull our troops out and press the red button not just once but a few good times JMO

I have been saying this to my friends and family for a while now, we all know it won't happen for reasons involving international policies but i wish we would just do it. Save our troops lives and just end this crap.

[Hot-Rox]

The US press has no idea what we are dealing with over there. All they can do is talk about Aboograv (or whatever) where America soldiers put underwear on Iraq's prisoners heads (like it is such a big deal - NOT). And, here these muthr fuccking terrorists are chopping off heads of US citizens, blowing up Iraqie civilians, and preaching hate. It makes me sick. I agree - push the button.

[BajanBastard]

I watched the murder of Nick Burg and will never watch another one of those vids again. I could not sleep for about a week. The thing is Nick Burg is on of the least graphic. The other ones are they slit the persons neck and let them gasp and bleed out for a time before sawing their heads off. Sick fackers.

[justin2305]

I watched the murder of Nick Burg and will never watch another one of those vids again. I could not sleep for about a week. The thing is Nick Burg is on of the least graphic. The other ones are they slit the persons neck and let them gasp and bleed out for a time before sawing their heads off. Sick fackers.

like i said pull our troops and press out of that $hit hole and make it a grease spot on the map

[Odin]

It's been said before the video is fake. When cutting his head off, as soon as they WOULD have cut the Juggiler vain the blood would have sprayed all over god's hell. Doctor's that have seen this video have laughed at it.

[justin2305]

It's been said before the video is fake. When cutting his head off, as soon as they WOULD have cut the Juggiler vain the blood would have sprayed all over god's hell. Doctor's that have seen this video have laughed at it.

huh thats interesting i havent heard that but it sounds prety legit

[BajanBastard]

Stupid talk like this really gets to me did you see the vid? The terrorists had a huge mat under the dudes neck that's where the blood went. The man was gasping and trying to get awat on way you could fake that. All to the talk of the vid being fake was debunked on this thread read it.


Berg execution was a FAKE

[nsa]

It's not fake...

[justin2305]

oh well if its fake or not get it over with and dont have to worry bout that $hit anymore and push that **** button

[Odin]

Stupid talk like this really gets to me did you see the vid? The terrorists had a huge mat under the dudes neck that's where the blood went. The man was gasping and trying to get awat on way you could fake that. All to the talk of the vid being fake was debunked on this thread read it.


Berg execution was a FAKE

Dude, The guys who did this were speaking in arabic with a russian accent too it first off. Do you realize that when you hit the juggler vein the is will spray out with force. Once the juggler is cut open the heart will pump every f*ckin ounce out till the heart stops. Also the guys hands were white and they were wearing rings which muslims don't believe in. BTW, have you heard of people on the forum talking about taking a shot and hitting a big vein and blow squerting out several feet. Well, that ain't $hit compared to a knife across the juggler. OF couse I see the video.

[justin2305]

where can u see that video i prolly dont wanna see it but i was just wondering

[BDTR]

I've seen far worse.

[Spyder]

where can u see that video i prolly dont wanna see it but i was just wondering

you can probably find it on consumption junction, but trust your gut instinct, you dont wanna see it.

[BDTR]

http://www.ogrish.com/beheading_videos.html

[BajanBastard]

Dude, The guys who did this were speaking in arabic with a russian accent too it first off. Do you realize that when you hit the juggler vein the is will spray out with force. Once the juggler is cut open the heart will pump every f*ckin ounce out till the heart stops. Also the guys hands were white and they were wearing rings which muslims don't believe in. BTW, have you heard of people on the forum talking about taking a shot and hitting a big vein and blow squerting out several feet. Well, that ain't $hit compared to a knife across the juggler. OF couse I see the video.

Watch the one when they murder the iraqi officer. When they cut the blood just poured out. It didn't spray out and this one was was much clearer and up close. The Burg vid was of such poor quality that you can't see alot of detail. I seen the vid a ton of times and i didn't see any gold rings, air jordans etc.

[BajanBastard]

http://www.ogrish.com/beheading_videos.html

My GF sat down and watched them all w/o blinking an eye. I decided that I was more badass than her and tried watching the one when they beheaded and shot the workers from Nepal........I nearly fainted when they cut that poor man throat and left him gasping for air........sick, sick fackers.

[Odin]

Watch the one when they murder the iraqi officer. When they cut the blood just poured out. It didn't spray out and this one was was much clearer and up close. The Burg vid was of such poor quality that you can't see alot of detail. I seen the vid a ton of times and i didn't see any gold rings, air jordans etc.

I watched the Iraqi officer one and it's legit looking. Ok I still don't think the first one lookes right, but I'm not going to argue, however i will leave on this note. If the Arabs carried out 9-11, it did nothing but hurt them finanically, politicoly, and power wise. On the same token, it helped us politically to destroy them, which in turn helps us gain more power. Before the beheadings, the American goverment had pressure not only from foreign nation's but America alike. These beheadings hurt the terrorist by unitifying, and helping the American cause for the War, as well as temorarly sideline the negetive thoughts of the war by foreign nations. If these people are that f*ckin stupid to shoot themselves in the foot and help are cause then could they really be a threat to us? Just wait until things start going good for the terrorist again, and are goverment has the heat on them. Something crazy sh*t will happen AGAIN and hurt them and help us. I see a consisent pattern going on here. Sorry back to your video and sorry if i got off topic.

[gya321]

The only one I watched was the nick berg one and it looked pretty real. I dont know about wearing gold rings and talkin in russian but whoever those pieces of sh1t are they killed him.

[Pale Horse]

MMA, it's the left winger conspiracy theory.

[Pale Horse]

One more...........I say......... one more. Those bastards do something one more time and they will call down the thunder! And hell will be coming with it!

[Pale Horse]

MMA , that is the B.S. they have been slinging since it happened

[Pale Horse]

yes indeed, it would be the end of the world as we know it . It sort of already is since 911. I think the American people even the left would scream for blood. WW III would not be far behind, which is what they(terrorists) want anyway IMO.

[sammycasper]

Everyone has been saying 1 more time, How many one more times does it take? The American people want retrabution? Then all they need to do is look the other way, and untie our Military might, but if they do that they must not care what the international community says when we rain hell down on them!!!!!!!!! JMO

[nsa]

Dude, The guys who did this were speaking in arabic with a russian accent too it first off. Do you realize that when you hit the juggler vein the is will spray out with force. Once the juggler is cut open the heart will pump every f*ckin ounce out till the heart stops. Also the guys hands were white and they were wearing rings which muslims don't believe in. BTW, have you heard of people on the forum talking about taking a shot and hitting a big vein and blow squerting out several feet. Well, that ain't $hit compared to a knife across the juggler. OF couse I see the video.

WTF? The heart will pump out blood through the juggler vein? What kind of medical knowledge do you have?

The juggler vein, never heard of that vein, could you should me where it is? Or are you reffering to the jugular vein.The jugular vein will not produce spraying of blood at all. Veins return blood to the heart, the heart does not pump blood through veins, the heart pumps blood through arteries. Veins cause what are medically known as slow bleeds, because they bleed slow and not at all like you say they do. BTW, at some point they would have hit the corotid artery which would possibly cause the spraying effect but not likely. Blood vessels don't spray like you say they do when they are completely severed, like a garden hose, they will possibly spray only if the point of exit is small and the pressure is semi-strong to strong.

You don't have any idea what your talking about...

[GeoQuadzilla]

I don't know wether the Berg execution is fake or not... Regardless his head was cut off... although Medical experts say that he was probably already dead before it happend... either way, when I seen it I couldn't sleep for a long time and it was always on my mind... I never watched another one again... Most of the beheadings the ppl being beheaded are druged heavily so they put up less of a fight... I'd personally skin anyone of those pri<ks alive... I would have no problem killing anyone of those disgusting b@stards without any remorse... A simple bullet to the head would never do... I'd sit down with popcorn and a beer and watch anyone of those co<keaters get their head cut off, Fu<k Them!

[Odin]

1victor,nsa,mma,big k.l.g maybe you guys are right that i might be out of my element, however I could do some research, but i don't want to waste my time, So i admit defeat! End of conversation for me. I'll stick to lifting and leave you guys with the research.

[gya321]

I don't know wether the Berg execution is fake or not... Regardless his head was cut off... although Medical experts say that he was probably already dead before it happend... either way, when I seen it I couldn't sleep for a long time and it was always on my mind... I never watched another one again... Most of the beheadings the ppl being beheaded are druged heavily so they put up less of a fight... I'd personally skin anyone of those pri<ks alive... I would have no problem killing anyone of those disgusting b@stards without any remorse... A simple bullet to the head would never do... I'd sit down with popcorn and a beer and watch anyone of those co<keaters get their head cut off, Fu<k Them!

The drugged heavily thing makes alot of sense. I was wondering why he was so mellow. I know he couldnt of done much being tied up with a bunch of those pathetic fvcks around but he didnt even try to move. How do the medical experts think he was already dead before it happened, it looks like hes alive until the cutting begings.

[BajanBastard]

The drugged heavily thing makes alot of sense. I was wondering why he was so mellow. I know he couldnt of done much being tied up with a bunch of those pathetic fvcks around but he didnt even try to move. How do the medical experts think he was already dead before it happened, it looks like hes alive until the cutting begings.

Yeah the druging makes sense. Nick was alive he was moving when they were killing him.

[GeoQuadzilla]

Berg beheading: No way, say medical experts
By Ritt Goldstein

American businessman Nicholas Berg's body was found on May 8 near a Baghdad overpass; a video of his supposed decapitation death by knife appeared on an alleged al-Qaeda-linked website (www.al-ansar.biz) on May 11. But according to what both a leading surgical authority and a noted forensic death expert separately told Asia Times Online, the video depicting the decapitation appears to have been staged.

"I certainly would need to be convinced it [the decapitation video] was authentic," Dr John Simpson, executive director for surgical affairs at the Royal Australasian College of Surgeons, said from New Zealand. Echoing Dr Simpson's criticism, when this journalist asked forensic death expert Jon Nordby, PhD and fellow of the American Board of Medicolegal Death Investigators, whether he believed the Berg decapitation video had been "staged", Nordby replied: "Yes, I think that's the best explanation of it."

Questions of when the video's footage was taken, and the time elapsed between the shooting of the video's segments, were raised by both experts, reflecting a portion of the broader and ongoing video controversy. Nordby, speaking to Asia Times Online from Washington state, noted: "We don't know how much time wasn't filmed," adding that "there's no way of knowing whether ... footage is contemporaneous with the footage that follows".

While the circumstances surrounding both the video and Nick Berg's last days have been the source of substantive speculation, both Simpson and Nordby perceived it as highly probable that Berg had died some time prior to his decapitation. A factor in this was an apparent lack of the "massive" arterial bleeding such an act initiates.

"I would have thought that all the people in the vicinity would have been covered in blood, in a matter of seconds ... if it was genuine," said Simpson. Notably, the act's perpetrators appeared far from so. And separately Nordby observed: "I think that by the time they're ... on his head, he's already dead."

Providing another basis for their findings, in the course of such an assault, an individual's autonomic nervous system would react, typically doing so strongly, with the body shaking and jerking accordingly. And while Nordby noted that "they rotated and moved the head", shifting vertebrae that should have initiated such actions, Simpson said he "certainly didn't perceive any movements at all" in response to such efforts.

During the period when Berg's captors filmed the decapitation sequence, circumstances indicate that he had already been dead "a quite uncertain length of time, but more than ... however long the beheading took", Simpson stated. Both Simpson and Nordby also noted the difficulty in providing analysis based on the video, the inherent limitations presented by this. But both also felt that Berg had seemed drugged.

A particularly significant point in the video sequence occurred as Berg's captors attacked him, bringing the supposedly fatal knife to bear. "The way that they pulled him over, they could have used a dummy at that point," reflected Simpson regarding what the video portrayed. Separately, Nordby said Berg does not "appear to register any sort of surprise or any change in his facial expression when he's grabbed and twisted over, and they start to bring this weapon into use".

Subsequently, Nordby said it was likely that the filming sequence was manipulated at the point immediately preceding this, allowing Berg's corpse to be used for the decapitation sequence. Nordby also emphasized that the video "raises more questions than it answers", with the most fundamental questions of "who are you, and how did you die", being impossible to answer from it. But broad speculation exists regarding a number of factors surrounding both Berg's death and the video, and its timing in regard to revelations of US prison atrocities.

In a May 13 article, the Arabic newsgroup Aljazeera reported that a Dubai-based Reuters journalist first broke the story, "but while Fox News, CNN and the BBC" were able to secure the video from the "Arabic-only website" that hosted it, Aljazeera was unable to locate it. And also on May 13, the Associated Press (AP) reported that the US Central Intelligence Agency had determined that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was the individual who beheaded Berg.

Since Secretary of State Colin Powell's United Nations presentation of February 5, 2003, al-Zarqawi has been portrayed as the single most dangerous element facing the Bush administration's "war on terror". Powell's UN presentation has since been widely accepted as empty; nevertheless, al-Zarqawi appears to have surpassed even Osama bin Laden as the administration's No 1 terror target. And on May 15, Brigadier-General Mark Kimmitt, the Coalition Provisional Authority's chief Iraq military spokesman, declared that al-Zarqawi will be eventually caught, though that may prove particularly difficult.

On March 4, Brigadier-General David Rodriguez of the Joint Chiefs of staff revealed that the Pentagon didn't have "direct evidence of whether he's [al-Zarqawi] alive or dead", providing commentary on the nature of prior "evidence" linking al-Zarqawi to attacks and bombings. But that same day, AP reported that an Iraqi resistance group claimed al-Zarqawi had been killed the April prior in the US bombing of northern Iraq.

Speaking off the record, intelligence community sources have previously said they believe it "very likely" that al-Zarqawi is indeed long dead. Such a fact makes al-Zarqawi's alleged killing of Berg difficult to reconcile, and there has been broad speculation that blaming al-Zarqawi is an administration ploy. Further anomalies surrounding Berg's death have fueled added speculation.

According to e-mails sent from a US consular officer in Baghdad, Beth Payne, to the Berg family, Nick Berg was being held in Iraq "by the US military in Mosul". A May 13 AP report notes that a US State Department spokesperson subsequently said this was untrue, an error, and that Berg was being held by Iraqi authorities. But another May 13 AP report quoted "police chief Major-General Mohammed Khair al-Barhawi" as claiming that reports of Iraqi police having held Berg were "baseless".

And Berg is seen on the beheading videotape in what appears to be US military prison-issue clothing, sitting in what appears to be a US military-type white chair, virtually identical to those photographed as used at Abu Ghraib prison. However, the taking of hostages has occurred in the region, and beheadings are not unheard of.

According to a February 2003 report by Human Rights Watch (HRW), on September 23, 2001, radical Islamists captured a group of 25 Kurdish fighters in the Iraqi village of Kheli Hama. "Some prisoners' throats had been slit, while others had been beheaded," HRW reported, noting that the television station KurdSat had broadcast pictures of the dead that September 26. The report also noted that a videotape "apparently filmed" by those committing the atrocities had been found.

The strict Islamist community in Iraq denied that the acts were committed by their people, stating that the incident was fabricated.

Additional reports of beheadings also exist, with the victims usually noted as killed with a bullet before the beheading occurs. But HRW's report also raised an issue that the Berg video's makers, and Berg's father, both raised: prisoner exchange.

HRW noted that Iraq's radical Islamists did pursue exchanges of captives, and the Berg video specifically noted that his captors claimed they were killing him as their attempts to exchange Berg had been rebuffed by US authorities. Berg's father, Michael, has pressed the administration of US President George W Bush as regards what the facts of this allegation are, with the administration denying any knowledge that such a trade was offered. And added questions still exist.

Because Iraq's radical Islamists speak in a particular manner, and live by a closely proscribed code, apparent contradictions between these ways and the way Berg's captors appeared has generated speculation. Some observers have speculated on the possibility that the individuals weren't native Arabic speakers. Conversely, it is reported that in Saudi Arabia, where Sharia law allows for beheadings in cases of severe crimes, the condemned is heavily drugged with tranquilizers prior to the execution, reportedly leaving them in a state similar to that which Berg appeared in during parts of the video.

Again, Nordby emphasized that the video "raises more questions than it answers".

The drugged heavily thing makes alot of sense. I was wondering why he was so mellow. I know he couldnt of done much being tied up with a bunch of those pathetic fvcks around but he didnt even try to move. How do the medical experts think he was already dead before it happened, it looks like hes alive until the cutting begings.

[buckslayer99]

Where Can You Find This On Nick Berg On The Net

[GeoQuadzilla]

http://www.ogrish.com/archives/berg_...y_26_2004.html

[nsa]

He was not dead before he was killed, obviously. He was very drugged. Probably laughing gas, then injections but he was still alive when they sawed off his head. So sad that people are still doing barbaric things in this world...

[buckslayer99]

where did you guys see that video i was told its fake by my bro in the media said it was a cover up

[GeoQuadzilla]

I can't really decide either way... I heard a lot of the "Real" beheadings the blood is just unreal... there wasn't much during the berg one... Regardless like I stated before... I hope everyone of them gets casterated and Force fed a broken glass/Di<k sandwich.

He was not dead before he was killed, obviously. He was very drugged. Probably laughing gas, then injections but he was still alive when they sawed off his head. So sad that people are still doing barbaric things in this world...

[gya321]

Whatever the situation may be, hes dead so hopefully we can just blow up the whole place and live peacefully. Thats an interesting article though.