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01-20-2005, 01:37 AM #121Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by IntensityX
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01-20-2005, 02:00 AM #122Originally Posted by aXe
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01-20-2005, 05:50 AM #123
Great post MMA, agree 100%
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01-20-2005, 06:10 AM #124
I know all too well.
Originally Posted by MMA
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01-20-2005, 06:56 AM #125Originally Posted by aXe
My ex, with the exaggerated amount of child support that I pay, sits at home and doesn’t work, but is able to buy new cars, horses and maintain them. While I work two jobs and barely scrape by, however I have never been late with child support.
Foster parents in Georgia receive $14.25 a day to for the care of foster children. This equates to $427.5 per child per month. I pay $1400 a month in child support for 3 children. The state would pay $1282.5 per month if they were foster children.
You may think this is close, and that I am only paying a little over what it really takes to raise a child, but when you consider that I should only be paying my half, with my ex paying the other half of what it takes to raise a child, it becomes a different story.
You may not be familiar with the child support laws in Georgia, they are based on percentages of the non custodial parent's gross income, which were derived from a study that was done in Wisconsin's which was based on the needs of welfare mothers. The study was compiled with the following factors, the mothers could not work and had no income and the father was completely absent. Per the Georgia Child Support law as it is written in 1989, the state was to perform its own study in the state of Georgia, with in 5 years, to date it has not.
In addition to this the custodial parent does not have to show the child support that they receive as income on their taxes but the non custodial parent can not claim the child support that they pay as a deduction. This equates to at least a $1500 dollar a year per child savings for the custodial parent and additional cost for the non custodial parent.
The custodial parent is able to list the children as dependents on their taxes, even though, in many cases the non custodial parent is paying for all, as in my case, of the child rearing expenses.
I have my children for 20% of the year, every other weekend, holidays, one week in summer and one week at Christmas. This time when my children are with me is not even considered, when setting the amount of child support that I pay.
I understand your concern for “deadbeat dads” but you are missing the point that the laws are not fair.Last edited by Bigen12; 01-20-2005 at 06:59 AM.
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01-20-2005, 07:06 AM #126Anabolic Member
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a bit off topic but anyway... if i get my tubes cut will it mess with my testosterone level??? reading all those story makes me freak out seriously...
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01-20-2005, 08:10 AM #127
wow, I d be pissed off if my ex wife would live such a life on my behalf....
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01-20-2005, 08:19 AM #128Originally Posted by TRLS63
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01-20-2005, 08:28 AM #129Originally Posted by MMA
I am fortunate in one way though, my oldest is 18 this month, and the other two are 16 and 13, so I won’t have to pay for too many more years.
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01-20-2005, 08:56 AM #130Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by SV-1
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01-20-2005, 09:26 AM #131
My biological father left when I was 5 months old. He left my mom with me and my older brother who has cerebral palsy, for another woman. He never paid a cent. I am not saying that the child support laws are fair either. I worked with a guy who loved his childere dearly. His wife left him for another man. She was awarded custody and he had to pay support. This guy broke down and cried several times at work because his X used the kids as bargining chips when ever he would want to get things better for himself. The laws are biased towards men; favouring women. I hope everything turns out well for you Bigen and Angel. I wish my father had lived up to his responsibilities. Make sure you do.
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01-20-2005, 09:31 AM #132Originally Posted by jonnytour
It’s the fathers who don’t live up to their responsibilities that have caused the laws to be written with such an extreme bias against the father.
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01-20-2005, 09:41 AM #133Originally Posted by Bigen12
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01-20-2005, 09:45 AM #134Originally Posted by jonnytour
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01-20-2005, 10:25 AM #135
She lied about her age so no worries for you there.
She's probly lying about being pregnant too and if not you wore a condom so its probly some other fools baby.
If it is yours...then i think you should talk to her and make an abortion. Its best for the baby imo.
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01-20-2005, 02:04 PM #136Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by MMA
My second issue was with your claim of a judge ordering a man to work two job (I can quote you if you like). I live in california and Child Support is based upon wages, and if you are unemployed it is based on minimum wage. I'd like to learn more about your state since you claim the law allows a judge to order a man to pay more than he makes.
I do agree with you that some guys do get screwed in court, but In my experiences @ a family law firm it has mainly been with visitation. And please don't try to claim there are no deadbeat dads, passing it off as a politically correct/incorrect statement, because it happens all the time. You wouldn't believe how many dads I've talked to who bitch about the money they have to pay. My answer to them is to make better decisions, accept the consequences or get a better lawyer. I'm just not sure how a baby that is unexpected = a lifetime of misery.
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Originally Posted by Bigen12
Good luck with everything Angel, keep us updated brutha.
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01-20-2005, 02:21 PM #138
I have to agree.....I didn't much appreciate MMA's tactics on getting her to get an abortion....but didn't agree with the attack either.
Hope it all works out for Angel and the women/babies involved.
Originally Posted by aXe1. Once a cheat always a cheat!
2. YES, SHE can get pregnant the first time!
3. NO, PULLING out IS NOT a RELIABLE method of Birth Control. DAMMMMIT..... Wrap that shyte UP!!
Women over 30 are dignified. They seldom have a screaming match with you at the opera or in the middle of an expensive restaurant. Of course, if you deserve it, they won't hesitate to shoot you, if they think they can get away with it.
For all those men who say, "Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free". Here's an update for you. Nowadays 80% of women are against marriage, why? Because women realize it's not worth buying an entire Pig, just to get a little sausage.
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01-20-2005, 02:30 PM #139Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by Commando_Barbi
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01-20-2005, 08:00 PM #140Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by MMA
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01-20-2005, 08:03 PM #141Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by MMA
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01-20-2005, 08:05 PM #142Originally Posted by MMA
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01-20-2005, 08:11 PM #143Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by Anteros
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01-20-2005, 09:00 PM #144
My thing is that abortion is a personal decision between the two of them and should be arrived at after honest discussion. Not lying, badgering, and tricking. There are many options out there ... adoption being one of them.
I've told my daughter many times.......and it stands here. If you make adult decisions (i.e. sex, sex with a stranger, etc) YOU better be ready for adult consequences. PERIOD.
She didn't drug him and drag him to bed. He made a choice to have a one night with a young woman (child). Did she lie........sure she did and it was wrong. But how smart is having sex with a person you met a few hours ago?
Now she's possibly pregnant and it might or might not be his. And now he has to wait and see. And if she is, and if she decides to keep it and if it's his......he has to deal with it. Not just his life is affected here.....so is her's. She's a kid facing being a mother, or taking a life to avoid being a mother or carrying this child for 9 months, growing attached to it and giving it up. You talk like this is just such an easy thing. Oh just kill it. You don't KNOW what that does to a person.
Everyone wants the quick fix solution.......but there is no quick fix here. Any decision made will affect one or both of them for the REST of their lives.
Originally Posted by MMA1. Once a cheat always a cheat!
2. YES, SHE can get pregnant the first time!
3. NO, PULLING out IS NOT a RELIABLE method of Birth Control. DAMMMMIT..... Wrap that shyte UP!!
Women over 30 are dignified. They seldom have a screaming match with you at the opera or in the middle of an expensive restaurant. Of course, if you deserve it, they won't hesitate to shoot you, if they think they can get away with it.
For all those men who say, "Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free". Here's an update for you. Nowadays 80% of women are against marriage, why? Because women realize it's not worth buying an entire Pig, just to get a little sausage.
What the mind can conceive....the body will achieve!
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01-21-2005, 12:11 AM #145Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by Commando_Barbi
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01-21-2005, 06:35 AM #146Originally Posted by aXe
At least, in the state of Georgia, I can tell you that the majority of guys get screwed, it is the way the laws were written.
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01-21-2005, 11:18 PM #147
UPDATE (for those who haven't hijacked god ****it )
well, the 17 year old girl went to the clinic on thursday to get a blood test for HCG (the hormone that is present during pregnancy)....
she IS indeed pregnant, her parents know now as well about the whole issue, so statutory issues no longer exist (thank god)
I'm back in mass now, went to a local "planned parenthood" clinic in the area with my ex girlfriend so she could, as well, have a blood test....
and she, as well....IS pregnant
Paternity is another issue. The 17 year old and her family have been very logical, and they are level headed people. She is getting a medical abortion, which consists of administration of 2 different hormones, both orally.
As far as my ex girlfriend, i'm not sure what the course of action is yet, but if there is any chance of keeping this child, I am ABSOLUTELY forcing her into agreement of a prenatal paternity test. I want to know if i am the father before this child is born, as if I am, i will need to make changes accordingly in my life...If i am not, well she can lick the sweat off my balls after swoles leg workout
I'll post back on this in a few days/a week or so when the situation is coming to a resolve for both women
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01-21-2005, 11:32 PM #148
Good news bro, in Jersey the age of concent is 16 so you would be off the hook here anyways, but I don't know NY laws. Abortions are the way to go, and I have used planned parent hood as well, although I find appointments are usually backed up for a month or so.
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01-22-2005, 11:33 AM #149
How nice for you there's such an easy way to clean up your messes. Its just so easy for you isn't it.....you knock a girl up and she just get's rid of it. Do you ever stop to think what it does to a woman emotionally when she gets an abortion? I'm all for a womans choice and for doing what's right for all concerned........I just don't appreciate the cavalier attitude about something so serious and life altering.
I have personally escorted two of my young female sailors to get abortions because their "boyfriends" insisted on abortions, denied that they were responsible, etc etc..... The women made the choice that was best for them, but after the procedure was over I sat with both of them as they cried because of what they had done. They both have perm. scars from this while the two boys that had 50% of the responsibility for the situation are running around screwing other women thinking to themselves how lucky they are they didnt get stuck with some unwanted kid and the responsiblity.
I'm not saying that's how you feel or act.....it's just bothers me a bit how some men think this is such a SIMPLE decision. It's just a procedure after all. Easy.....quick and then YOUR life returns to normal.
Not that easy......for MOST women.
Sorry to hijack your thread .... just needed to put out the other side of the story.
Originally Posted by BeerBaron1. Once a cheat always a cheat!
2. YES, SHE can get pregnant the first time!
3. NO, PULLING out IS NOT a RELIABLE method of Birth Control. DAMMMMIT..... Wrap that shyte UP!!
Women over 30 are dignified. They seldom have a screaming match with you at the opera or in the middle of an expensive restaurant. Of course, if you deserve it, they won't hesitate to shoot you, if they think they can get away with it.
For all those men who say, "Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free". Here's an update for you. Nowadays 80% of women are against marriage, why? Because women realize it's not worth buying an entire Pig, just to get a little sausage.
What the mind can conceive....the body will achieve!
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01-22-2005, 11:38 AM #150
Angel -
Sounds like things are working out. I'm happy for you that the parents of this teenager are being so level headed about it and you sound like you have been taking a very mature stance.
I think the prenatal test is a good idea....I don't know....do they do that through amnio? IF that's the case ewwww. That is some scarey shyte. Big needle down through the stomach.....if she's willing that is great for both of you. I couldn't do it. I'd just have to agree to be on my own until the baby was born and then sort it out later. I don't like needles at all! Ewwwww.
Good luck with it all.
C.B.
Originally Posted by angelxterminator1. Once a cheat always a cheat!
2. YES, SHE can get pregnant the first time!
3. NO, PULLING out IS NOT a RELIABLE method of Birth Control. DAMMMMIT..... Wrap that shyte UP!!
Women over 30 are dignified. They seldom have a screaming match with you at the opera or in the middle of an expensive restaurant. Of course, if you deserve it, they won't hesitate to shoot you, if they think they can get away with it.
For all those men who say, "Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free". Here's an update for you. Nowadays 80% of women are against marriage, why? Because women realize it's not worth buying an entire Pig, just to get a little sausage.
What the mind can conceive....the body will achieve!
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