why guns help

**BARLOW** · 04-15-2005, 11:49 PM

that was in 95, find a current one

**Lozgod** · 04-15-2005, 11:49 PM

**Lozgod** · 04-15-2005, 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by BARLOW

that was in 95, find a current one

you find some. I am tired of googling. I back up what I say with facts. No one seems to be able to do it.

**juicehoe** · 04-15-2005, 11:51 PM

No i just find it ironic that its so uncommon, yet i just heard a story about it the other week. The only reason i heard about it was because it was a high profile murder. I wonder how many i dont hear about that arnt famous. I think your "facts" are askew

Originally Posted by Lozgod

WOW, one murder! Holy crap, crime is out of control over there.

**Lozgod** · 04-15-2005, 11:53 PM

Originally Posted by juicehoe

No i just find it ironic that its so uncommon, yet i just heard a story about it the other week. The only reason i heard about it was because it was a high profile murder. I wonder how many i dont hear about that arnt famous. I think your "facts" are askew

I heard that there were flying saucers and I heard if you put a rope in a bottle of piss it will turn in to a snake but that doesnt make it true. Can you present any facts?

**juicehoe** · 04-15-2005, 11:57 PM

Yep... fact this. Have fun reading how your wrong

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvintl.html

Originally Posted by Lozgod

I heard that there were flying saucers and I heard if you put a rope in a bottle of piss it will turn in to a snake but that doesnt make it true. Can you present any facts?

**Lozgod** · 04-16-2005, 12:00 AM

Actually that makes me right. It validates some points I made. Also, alot of those countries with no household guns and high gun violence are at war, or are having severe civil problems. I fail to see your point.

Originally Posted by juicehoe

Yep... fact this. Have fun reading how your wrong

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvintl.html

**Lozgod** · 04-16-2005, 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by juicehoe

Yep... fact this. Have fun reading how your wrong

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvintl.html

Also, that is a biased point of view written by pro-gun advocates. Find something less biased next time. If we were discussing race I wouldn't be quoting the KKK.

**Lozgod** · 04-16-2005, 12:04 AM

Actually I will have to discuss this another time. I just took a benadryl and am getting tired as hell. It's been fun. The great thing about America is our right to disagree without being shot by our government. It's been fun.

**juicehoe** · 04-16-2005, 12:09 AM

You moron your getting your facts off sites that are anti-gun lobbyist. And if you look at what that site has to say it shows that the firearm homicide is lower in America that many other places. Also, it shows why your stats u keep posting are wrong because of the way they use the data. Im sorry your uneducated and cant read the chart? Its hard to have a discussion with someone who has no rhyme or reason in their argument. This is why college educations are so important people

Originally Posted by Lozgod

Also, that is a biased point of view written by pro-gun advocates. Find something less biased next time. If we were discussing race I wouldn't be quoting the KKK.

**BARLOW** · 04-16-2005, 12:12 AM

agree

**Lozgod** · 04-16-2005, 12:14 AM

Originally Posted by juicehoe

You moron your getting your facts off sites that are anti-gun lobbyist. And if you look at what that site has to say it shows that the firearm homicide is lower in America that many other places. Also, it shows why your stats u keep posting are wrong because of the way they use the data. Im sorry your uneducated and cant read the chart? Its hard to have a discussion with someone who has no rhyme or reason in their argument. This is why college educations are so important people

I was quoting newspapers. Not anti-gun lobbyists. As far as the moron remark, well I could make you feel as small as your penis which creates your need to have a gun to feel like a man, but I wont go there. Dig up some more info from those pro-gun nuts, I am going to bed.

Good night.

**Prime** · 04-16-2005, 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by Lozgod

As far as the title of the thread. A gun caused that problem.

exactly. I dont see this as an example of guns being good.

**BUBBA74** · 04-16-2005, 06:32 AM

Wow he probably caught some h*ll for poping that low life after he was already down.

**FCECC2** · 04-16-2005, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by Prime

exactly. I dont see this as an example of guns being good.

never saw that too.

btw the song is Nickelback - too bad

**juicehoe** · 04-16-2005, 09:24 AM

Witty comment

Anyways Lozgod if your so antigun then dont move to tampa. Florida is one of the easier states to get a gun and permit. Also, Tampa is not the safest place. It was rated #15 out of top 25 most dangerous citys
http://www.morganquitno.com/cit05pop.htm

Originally Posted by Lozgod

I was quoting newspapers. Not anti-gun lobbyists. As far as the moron remark, well I could make you feel as small as your penis which creates your need to have a gun to feel like a man, but I wont go there. Dig up some more info from those pro-gun nuts, I am going to bed.

Good night.

**juicehoe** · 04-16-2005, 09:26 AM

US Gun Statistics
Various Sources
2-2-5

(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.
(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.
(C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171.

(Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept. of Health Human Services)

Guns
(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000.
Yes, that is 80 million.

(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500.
(C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is 0.000188.

Statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.
Remember, "Guns don't kill people, doctors do."

http://www.tampaindymedia.org/bin/si...6.99609375.dat

**Duck of Death** · 04-16-2005, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by Lozgod

No a criminal got a hold of a readily available gun. All illegally owned guns start out as legally owned guns. Stop private handgun ownership and you stop the need for it. You also save alot of childrens lives. Many innocent children die from gun fire? Is the right to own a gun more important than a childs life?

...such BS. Eliminate private ownership of guns and you create a lucrative black market where criminals can still get guns. Did what you suggest work for drugs?? No?? Incidentally, more children are drowned in swimming pools each year than are killed by accidental shooting. So I guess we should outlaw swimming pools, Eh?? After all, if it saves just one child.....
If you want to be a defenseless grasseater that will take it up the gazoo if you are ever involved in a violent crime, so be it. Just dont mess with my right to be an unrepentant meateater who has every intention of defending himself, his loved ones, and his property using ANY means available, including lethal force.
Washington, DC has outlawed ownership of handguns for years. According to your logic, it should be a peaceful mecca. Instead, it is the homicide capital of the U.S. Care to comment?

**Mesomorphyl** · 04-16-2005, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by juicehoe

US Gun Statistics
Various Sources
2-2-5

(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.
(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.
(C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171.

(Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept. of Health Human Services)

Guns
(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000.
Yes, that is 80 million.

(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500.
(C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is 0.000188.

Statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.
Remember, "Guns don't kill people, doctors do."

http://www.tampaindymedia.org/bin/si...6.99609375.dat

Hell yeah!

**Mesomorphyl** · 04-16-2005, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by Duck of Death

...such BS. Eliminate private ownership of guns and you create a lucrative black market where criminals can still get guns. Did what you suggest work for drugs?? No?? Incidentally, more children are drowned in swimming pools each year than are killed by accidental shooting. So I guess we should outlaw swimming pools, Eh?? After all, if it saves just one child.....
If you want to be a defenseless grasseater that will take it up the gazoo if you are ever involved in a violent crime, so be it. Just dont mess with my right to be an unrepentant meateater who has every intention of defending himself, his loved ones, and his property using ANY means available, including lethal force.
Washington, DC has outlawed ownership of handguns for years. According to your logic, it should be a peaceful mecca. Instead, it is the homicide capital of the U.S. Care to comment?

Hell yeah!

**cjp85** · 04-16-2005, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Lozgod

I was quoting newspapers. Not anti-gun lobbyists. As far as the moron remark, well I could make you feel as small as your penis which creates your need to have a gun to feel like a man, but I wont go there. Dig up some more info from those pro-gun nuts, I am going to bed.

Good night.

Actually, you were quoting anti-gun lobbyists, super left-wing politicians, and left-wing newspapers. What a creditable source!

**newbrew** · 04-16-2005, 12:57 PM

You guys keep comparing the stats of deaths vs. countries. Thats not the point.

Compare past and present crime RATES of the same country before/after gun outlaw. I think you will find that violent crime has RISEN since the outlaw of guns. Not to mention the stabbing rates of deaths are also on the rise.

No one will dispute that america has more violence....its just the way it is. Its the society and nature of this country, not the guns.

All I am doing is making the point that eliminating legal gun use does not supress violent crime/deaths...this is a fact.

**Psychotron** · 04-16-2005, 09:16 PM

Wish I could find the article about the guy from Mundelein,Illinois who owned a legally registered gun, and used it to protect his family from a burglar who attempted to rob his house twice. The guy ended up being arrested because that community bans the ownership of a firearm. Now that is some bull ****.

**BARLOW** · 04-16-2005, 11:59 PM

i heard about that one...... but ya..... compared to how many people live in the us and own guns to the number or accidents and deaths caused by guns... its pretty low dude.......

**Lozgod** · 04-17-2005, 10:50 PM

What's the deal with the name calling? Sorry you are so sensitive about your politics. Thanks for the laughs.

As far as worrying about how dangerous Tampa is, well thats a joke. Come to Philadelphia. I lived in some of the worse parts of the city a little while ago. I am not too worried about Tampa.

**HeavyHitter** · 04-18-2005, 11:06 AM

that was fcking sick!! Good for the clerk.... but he got sloppy!!

**JdFlex** · 04-18-2005, 12:42 PM

That video was fake. Those muzzle blasts did not look real. And why would he stand over the downed assailant and continue to shoot. That makes no sense. See how they were taking turns returning fire, popping up and down in a rhythmic manner, shooting over clothing, choreographed. Add it all up. Fake.