Canada vs. USA Gas Prices...

**3Vandoo** · 08-23-2005, 12:32 PM

still we are getting screwed

RA · 08-23-2005, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by johan

not from a enviormental point of view. mostly a economical. When the oil production starts to decline rapidly we will be screwed. Better to bump prices now so alterantives becomes appealing economicaly while still having a period of plenty of oil left.

No use in thinking about alternates after the oil runs out. Then it will be to late to change the entire infrastructure of society.

By most estimates we have enough oil for at least another 300 years.

**Kärnfysikern** · 08-23-2005, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by roidattack

By most estimates we have enough oil for at least another 300 years.

the estimations I have seen gives us 10-30 years until we hit peak production. Unless new technology is developed then we can push the peak another 30 years into the future.

maby 300 years until oil feilds are depleted totaly but that is a useless figure. The peak production is the important one.

**Kärnfysikern** · 08-23-2005, 12:38 PM

now imagine the time it takes to change society so its not oil dependat. that alone would take well over 30 years so we better get moving and high oil prices might be the kick in the but we need. Also even though enviorment isnt my main concern it would be nice knowing my kids will be able to breath outside....

RA · 08-23-2005, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by johan

maby 300 years until oil feilds are depleted totaly but that is a useless figure. .

Thats what a tree hugger would say.

**Kärnfysikern** · 08-23-2005, 12:53 PM

lol explain to me how you are gonna provide the world with oil from oilfields that is going down in oil output?

when the peak is reached demans will continue to rise while aviability decreases. Long before the fields are depleted will the world have collapsed. So the time until they are empty is of no importance. Only the peak production is. That is not something only a tree hugger would say. Its something every oil expert would agree with(when the peak will be reached is the debated issue).

**Kärnfysikern** · 08-23-2005, 12:57 PM

Imagine this scenerio. 25 years from now. We are past the peak by 10 years. Oil prices are 5 times as high as now. Every country is doing what they possibly can to grab ahold of the remaining oil. Society is starting to crumble, more and more are forced to use bikes since cars are to expensive to drive. No one can afford busses. electricity prices skyrocket. grocerie stores are forced to increase prices radicaly because of increased transportation costs. ect ect ect.

if we allow the world to go past the peak without a backup plan we are doomed. Huge depressions, possibly followed by oil wars. All because we are to stupid to se where we are heading.

**Kärnfysikern** · 08-23-2005, 12:59 PM

the good thing about sweden and uk is that not many can afford to buy big ass cars that use insane ammounts of gasoline to run. Not many places hurt as bad as northern sweden because of petrol prices and thats where my family and friends live. I still want ALOT higher gas prices because short term selfishness isnt a viable strategy for a long lasting world.

RA · 08-23-2005, 01:01 PM

If we have 300 years worth of more oil, then why would output decline?

**Kärnfysikern** · 08-23-2005, 01:04 PM

the ammount of oil/hour you can extract is dependant on how much oil is left in the field. Some fields have to be abandon when as much as 30-40% of the oil is left sincer its so hard and expensive to extract the remaining oil.

With a oil fields peak is passed it means the highest production capability is passed. When the peack is reached the ammount of oil/day the field produces goes down.

so the totalt ammount of oil isnt important since the last 40%(not sure on numbers)is so hard and slow to extract. We might have oil for 300 years. But only the capacity to meet the worlds needs for 50 years

**IronFreakX** · 08-23-2005, 01:55 PM

Stupid humans

**Kärnfysikern** · 08-23-2005, 01:59 PM

http://www.mnforsustain.org/oil_dunc...rcling_oil.htm

**Kärnfysikern** · 08-23-2005, 01:59 PM

http://dieoff.com

**IronFreakX** · 08-23-2005, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by IronFreakX

Stupid humans

hey , how are you hahaha

**Psychotron** · 08-23-2005, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Justin Sane

Excuse me while I go

for a few minutes here. I live in Canada where our rediculous government has converted everything into Litres in regards to gas. When I first started driving, I could buy gas at 43 cents a litre... for you American's... that's $1.72 a gallon. Since then gas prices have gone up faster then anyone could imagine. At the beginning of this summer, I purchased gas for 73 cents a litre... that's $2.92 a gallon.... since then, I am paying $1.04 for friggin gas as of today... now heres my beef... Canadians let the government walk all over us and rape us for every penny when it comes to gas. Now, this may seem like no big deal to many of you, but for all the americans... how would you react if your gas prices went up 94 cents a gallon within a week? You would LOOSE IT!!! This is why I hate the metric conversion!!! It just wouldn't happen in the states without a fight, but we let this happen on a daily basis without a peep! What is the average going price of gas right now in the US?

The Civil War is coming soon.

**jasper1968** · 08-23-2005, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by johan

not from a enviormental point of view. mostly a economical. When the oil production starts to decline rapidly we will be screwed. Better to bump prices now so alterantives becomes appealing economicaly while still having a period of plenty of oil left.

No use in thinking about alternates after the oil runs out. Then it will be to late to change the entire infrastructure of society.

oil is not going to run out in our life time

**Kärnfysikern** · 08-23-2005, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by jasper1968

oil is not going to run out in our life time

keep hoping and wishing and maby you are right. I truly hope so.

But better prepare for the worst while hoping for the best. If we go unprepared into a oil crisis its the end of our civilasation. Just because people are to selfish to change.