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09-04-2005, 09:51 PM #41
Sorry but that's how I hear people when they make statements so extreme it just shows they have no idea what they're talking about.
Originally Posted by FINAMAN
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09-04-2005, 10:01 PM #42Originally Posted by gachamann
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09-05-2005, 04:29 PM #43
lol
Originally Posted by Jdawg50
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09-05-2005, 11:22 PM #44Originally Posted by Jdawg50
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09-06-2005, 06:52 AM #45Originally Posted by Jdawg50
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09-06-2005, 02:35 PM #46Originally Posted by Jdawg50
Last edited by FINAMAN; 09-06-2005 at 02:39 PM.
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09-06-2005, 02:42 PM #47
And if my country or Canada had a president that stole peoples moneya nd did all that shyt to them then I'd be the 1st to come and tell you that hes a no good stealing stupid president. I dont respect a role model for a huge country that does those kind of things I dont know maybe you do.
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Originally Posted by FINAMAN
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09-06-2005, 02:59 PM #49Originally Posted by FINAMAN
Whos money did he steal???????
why is he an idiot??????????
Is it just cause you dont like him???????
Or that your stupid and just jumped on the bandwagon????????
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09-06-2005, 04:18 PM #50Originally Posted by FINAMAN
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09-06-2005, 04:39 PM #51Originally Posted by Bigmac
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09-06-2005, 04:47 PM #52Originally Posted by Bigen12
Thats priceless!!!!!!!
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09-06-2005, 07:04 PM #53Originally Posted by CRUISECONTROL
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09-06-2005, 07:06 PM #54Originally Posted by majorpecs
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09-06-2005, 07:36 PM #55Originally Posted by FINAMAN
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09-06-2005, 07:38 PM #56Originally Posted by Psychotron
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09-06-2005, 08:14 PM #57
I'm sorry I just cannot let that one go. Do you know what the Iraqis pay for gas? Do you know why thier gas is so cheap? Oh yea its because we are stealing it from them right? Wrong.... Before you make stupid comments do some homework...
Government subsidies fill Iraqi gas tanks for pennies a gallon
By Thomas Wagner
ASSOCIATED PRESS
August 18, 2005
LONDON – Motorists struggling with high gas prices in the United States and Europe might be surprised to learn that consumers in Iraq pay as little as 5 cents a gallon, according to the International Monetary Fund's first assessment of the Iraqi economy in 25 years.
Thanks to generous government subsidies on petroleum products, which the IMF criticized as a threat to the country's fragile economy, Iraq has some of the cheapest gas in the world.
By contrast, Americans pay about $2.55 a gallon and Britons pay $6.24. Iraqis also pay much less for a gallon of regular gasoline than in nearby countries such as Iran (38 cents), Jordan ($1.89) and Syria ($1.74).
Even the many Iraqis who pay higher, black-market prices at the pump often make money by smuggling gasoline into neighboring countries such as Turkey, according to the International Monetary Fund's 62-page report released Monday.
Iraq's government hasn't been able to fulfill its promise to the IMF to slash the massive subsidies, given how much the country already is suffering from escalating violence by insurgents, high unemployment and inflation and poor electric, water and sewage services.
Last month, the Yemeni government agreed to reverse its earlier decision to lift subsidies on oil products after a wave of riots and strikes swept Yemen's major cities.
In 2004, gasoline subsidies alone cost the Iraqi government $3 billion, the IMF said.
The subsidies were a factor in the IMF changing its forecast for Iraq's gross domestic product growth this year from 17 percent to 4 percent.
In 2004, the Iraqi GDP was $25.5 billion. This year it is projected to reach $29.3 billion.
The IMF said oil production was likely to reach only 2 million barrels a day over the year, down from its earlier estimate of 2.4 million barrels "because of the continuing sabotage of oil installations and the resulting halting of oil exports from the north."
Before U.S.-led forces defeated Saddam Hussein, whose government also heavily subsidized gas prices, Iraq's average annual oil production was 2.5 million barrels per day.
The IMF said the government was likely to run short of money in the second half of this year because of lower oil exports and a shortfall in revenue largely caused by the subsidies.
Iraq's proven oil reserves, estimated at about 115 billion barrels, are the world's third largest.
That's why oil analysts closely watch Iraq's oil production and export figures to see if they will affect the world's oil prices, now at about $66 a barrel.
"Because of the tight situation of the oil market, any increase in Iraqi production will have a positive affect on the supply side," said Muhammad-Ali Zainy, a senior energy economist at the London-based Centre for Global Energy Studies.
Iraq's economy has benefited from today's oil prices.
But widespread attacks by insurgents limit its oil exports.
Also, the government doesn't have the money it needs to rehabilitate and upgrade an oil industry whose infrastructure has fallen apart over the past two decades.
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09-06-2005, 08:15 PM #58
U.S. subsidies ensure low gas prices in Iraq
Published Sunday, June 6, 2004
BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - While Americans are shelling out record prices for fuel, Iraqis pay only about 5 cents a gallon for gasoline - a benefit of hundreds of millions of dollars in subsidies bankrolled by American taxpayers.
Before the war, forecasters predicted that by invading Iraq and ousting Saddam Hussein, America would benefit from increased exports of oil from Iraq, which has the world’s second-largest petroleum reserves.
That would mean cheap gas for American motorists and a boost for the oil-dependent American economy.
More than a year after the invasion, that logic has been flipped on its head. Now the average price for gasoline in the United States is $2.05 a gallon - 50 cents more than the pre-invasion price.
Instead, the only people getting cheap gas as a result of the invasion are the Iraqis.
Filling a 22-gallon tank in Baghdad with low-grade fuel costs just $1.10, plus a 50-cent tip for the attendant. A tankful of high-test costs $2.75.
In Britain, by contrast, gasoline prices hit $5.79 per gallon last week - $127 for a tankful.
Although Iraq is a major petroleum producer, the country has little capacity to refine its own gasoline. So the U.S. government pays about $1.50 a gallon to buy fuel in neighboring countries and deliver it to Iraqi stations. A three-month supply costs American taxpayers more than $500 million, not including the cost of military escorts to fend off attacks by Iraqi insurgents.
"We thank the Americans. They risked their lives to liberate us, and now they are improving our lives," said Baghdad taxi driver Osama Hashim, 26, while filling the tank on his beat-up 1983 Volkswagen.
Iraq’s fuel subsidies, which are intended to mollify drivers used to low-priced fuel under Saddam, have coupled with the opening of the borders to create an anarchic car culture in Baghdad.
Cheap used cars shipped from Europe and Asia are flooding into Iraq. A 10-year-old BMW in good condition costs just $5,000. Since gas is so cheap, anyone with a car can become a taxi driver. Drivers jam the streets, offering rides for as little as 250 dinars - about 17 cents.
Iraq has no sales tax, no registration, no license plates and no auto insurance. Some would argue there are no rules of the road. Cars barrel the wrong way on the highway. They swoop into surprise U-turns. They ignore traffic signals.
Analysts say the U.S. gas subsidies can’t last forever - and Iraqis might be in for an unpleasant shock when they end. In the meantime, however, the American taxpayer continues to foot a huge bill.
"The U.S. taxpayer has a right to be indignant, and Iraqis have to be warned about the long-run damages of this," said Anthony Cordesman, an Iraq analyst with the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies.
The U.S. government paid even more last year for Iraqis’ gasoline - between $1.59 and $1.70 per gallon - when the imports were contracted to Halliburton, the Texas oil services giant formerly headed by Vice President Dick Cheney.
The cheap fuel is spurring unsustainable demand, promoting wasteful use of energy and transportation, and squandering Iraq’s oil output that might otherwise be exported, Cordesman said.
Iraqi drivers protest that the price difference between a gallon of gas in the United States and Iraq is fair because the average Iraqi earns around $1,000 per year, a thirtieth of the average U.S. wage.
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09-06-2005, 08:39 PM #59Originally Posted by FINAMAN
1. I would like to see you document where we have been "stealing oil" Post me a link. That would be great. (We are currently subsidising the Iraqis, so they can have cheap oil)
2. He's in on it with Bin Ladin huh? I would love to see your proof on this one? Please post a link. That would be great.... George W, and Bin Ladin had a secret meeting and decided to fly planes in the the world trade center right? That may be the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen on this board. HA!
3. Our troops are rapping innocent women and children huh? I bet you were there and video taped that right?
Link please or some proof of that....
I'll start with those. If you can document just one of them. You made the claims go ahead and back them up now boss.
Sounds to me like you are a flaaaammming liberal with nothing but silly thoughts and you have nothing to back them up but maybe air america, but I have a feeling that even air america wouldnt go that nuts. I'm betting your watching Al Jazera.....
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09-06-2005, 08:40 PM #60Originally Posted by FINAMAN
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09-06-2005, 08:44 PM #61
Here are some of the reason why gas prices go up...
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05525sp.pdf
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09-06-2005, 10:11 PM #62
someone better ban that son of ab itch for accusin our troops of phuckin rape... thats complete bullshit, and none of those ppl are innnocent... biting the hand that feeds u muhammed
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09-06-2005, 10:28 PM #63
This is the type of shit that pisses me off. I am by no means a racist here, but there are many black people who do not want equality anymore, they want superiority. I suppose there are many white people like this as well, but I'm just talking about what I'm seeing here. If your community is under disaster and all you can do is take advantage of the situation by raping, stealing, and causing more disaster, or kicking your fellow peers when they're down, guess what.... you ****ing deserve to be shot!!! And these people are not just stealing food, trust me, I'm sure it was completely justifiable to get your hands on whatever food was available at a time like this. I'm so sick of the race card crap lately. **** Kanye West, he's just another uneducated fluke prospect who should still be in the ****ing ghetto, like 95% of the rest of the hip hop paper gangsters.
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09-06-2005, 10:35 PM #64Originally Posted by stayinstacked
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09-06-2005, 10:38 PM #65
I'm gooooooooinggg to gooo on DOWN to Louis EEEE ANNAA ,and bless all the hungry FOLKS with the JEE-LLL-OOO PUDDIN' POPS!!
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09-07-2005, 04:19 AM #66Originally Posted by FINAMAN
What in the hell are you talking about?
This type of Bull Shiat is completely unacceptable
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09-07-2005, 07:21 AM #67
as much as id love to respond to somthin in this thread....im completly speechless...
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09-07-2005, 08:51 AM #68Originally Posted by FINAMAN
Just as I thought you cant back up your accusations
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09-07-2005, 08:57 AM #69Originally Posted by CRUISECONTROL
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09-07-2005, 09:03 AM #70Originally Posted by Jdawg50
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09-07-2005, 01:18 PM #71Originally Posted by Decadbal
AGREED, This dood is a dumbass, BAN HIM!
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09-07-2005, 01:32 PM #72
boring!
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09-07-2005, 02:39 PM #73
ban me for what? every one is entitled to their opinion and thats mine maybe to some of you its a stupid one but hey its my opinion its a free world. I told you im not gonna waste my time with this 1 thread cuz it aint goin nowhere all I see is crazy arguements and everyone hating so i jus dropped it I told you w.e makes you feel good about your self and makes you sleep better at night is fine with me. I think you jus over did it with my 1 saying you want prrof for everythign that you your self have proabbaly even seen im not gonna go dig up shyt like you did just to prove a point to some next guy in some country for a thread i have a life now your probably thinkin i cant prove it and this is my way out but thats not true think what you want im not postin on this topic anymore so hollaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
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09-07-2005, 03:06 PM #74Originally Posted by FINAMAN
You made a very nasty statement,
Originally Posted by FINAMAN
Does it make you feel good accusing the US Army of raping innocent little “gurlz”?
Do you realize how serious your statement is?
Sadly you probably don't.Last edited by Bigen12; 09-08-2005 at 04:18 AM.
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09-07-2005, 03:26 PM #75
Waste your time with this one thread huh? that is soo weak I can't even beleive you wasted your time responding to the thread. You won't reply with facts backing what you say up, because you cannot, and you know it. Run your mouth some more, and you will be called out again. Good luck in the future, and before you make stupid false statements you should do some homework, and see if what you are saying is true. Get online, and do a search. Guess what... Moveon.org is not a credible source, nor is Al Jezera.
Good luck next time.Last edited by Jdawg50; 09-07-2005 at 03:29 PM.
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09-07-2005, 04:46 PM #76
that was funny , you could see i there eyes they were like MTF did he just say
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09-07-2005, 04:52 PM #77
Whatever finaman just stick to playing with yourself instead of posting ridiculous statements!!!!!!
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09-08-2005, 06:01 PM #78
its a shame fina made it thru the bombin...
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09-08-2005, 06:06 PM #79Originally Posted by FINAMAN
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09-08-2005, 07:27 PM #80
Completely ignorant but completely histerical
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