Women are geneticlly superior to men (I'm bout ta stir up sum sh^t)

[IronReload04]

maybe woman might respond better to the lower androgens then men, but thats probably because their musclularity is already so low to begin with. come on, i am sure men still have a greater threshhold for muscle accumulation.

and besides, with woman responding so well to low doses. to me, that kind of reminds me of (males) vets taking 2 grams a week vs a newbie taking 500 a week

[IronReload04]

i think what i am about to say will support my DNA argument.

we all know the story. Big Jo explodes off of 500 mg of test. Big Bob who had the same height, weight and lifts, and was pretty even with jo, blasted way way past Jo in terms of muscularity on the same dose

[novicenovicen]

I think my head hurts now. I need to shoot another cc!

[novicenovicen]

and anyone who would base a theory on one concept is an idiot. A theory must be based on an EXTENSIVE amount of imperical evidence from performing the scientific method.

Just making fun, swizole came across harsh, so I butted in too.

[mmaximus25]

maybe woman might respond better to the lower androgens then men, but thats probably because their musclularity is already so low to begin with. come on, i am sure men still have a greater threshhold for muscle accumulation.

and besides, with woman responding so well to low doses. to me, that kind of reminds me of (males) vets taking 2 grams a week vs a newbie taking 500 a week

Wow this turned into a mental tug of war… It’s fascinating where debate and conversation travels…
I think everyone might be taking this too mentally... but fu^k it I'm already engulfed... We all have different DNA bra. Men, women, mine's different than yours, no two non biological twins are the same unless you’re the first... (Think about how they catch those darn pesky criminals that like to rape women and children)

Men and Women are different DNA wise but we all have the same parts and hormones just different levels... We men have different genitalia but other than that we aren't different until is comes to the various hormones in our body and how they engage at puberty. Then everything changes... Your point women responding better due to already lower skeletal tissue in terms of mass and density is right on. I'm merely making the observation that if men responded to androgens as well as women do at current state we would all be genetic freaks. Yet the unknown of a women given male androgens from a pubescent stage could either yield a greater or equal but not lower muscularity(in terms of density, size would be do to frame, joints, tendon elasticity). http://www.scientific.org/tutorials/...ley/riley.html (if you like reading, I like f^cking more though)

Stop reading now if you tired... I Fu*cking spew like an ugly girl on prom night trying to get laid by getting drunk as fu^k...

1. Men and women are the same in terms of needing a higher amount of androgens to continue to pack on more mass at the same rate as when you first start a cycle and your full serum level is reached (unless you take longer breaks or use an extremely high dose process yet shorter). The more muscle mass the greater potential for up regulation and higher metabolic rate equating to more nutrient percentage utilized. The issue and debate hovers over the theories and ideas that there is a saturation effect... in which I am on the side there is no such thing, meaning the body up regulates to what ever amount of androgen you give it and down regulates in term of target cells when the dose is lowered. Your gains aren't as dramatic as when your first dose administered... Its not that you grow less it’s your body has added new target cells to contend with the amount of hormones your injecting and has successfully done so. If a nutrient level is suffice then a steady but above average growth process occurs (Hypertrophy) until the androgen is taken away or lowered. (There are other drugs that support Hyperplasia)

Everyone takes a side in every debate no one is wrong or right due to insufficient study when it comes to the endocrine system... Yet it is easier to make a statement or theory than to disprove it.

[mmaximus25]

Ok I know they worked hard to look like that but I think a woman should look like Mizfit not sylvester stallone

I respect your opinion... I stand here though... After all the GF's I've gone through and hammered like a f^ck toy... and after being married, these women all giving my a hassle about making my body into a better machine...

I only date fittness oriented women. They need to do this as a lifestyle in order for them to pass the test for me. Granted I don't go for women that larger and I do require a particular beauty for my standards...

I would still take my co<k out and pump those girls for the feel of it... call me sick but if Eva or Marja called me up and said MM I need some of your co<k tonight... oh I'm not saying no... no sir

[IronReload04]

see, my thinking is that its all in the DNA regardless of androgen levels. We all know their are many many many guys out there taking drug doses that are up their and on par with the pros. yet they these guys are still light years away. Could be the diet and training thats still holding these nameless megadosers back, so many factors.

my main point is, me and everyone else on this forum, if we do exactly precisely what ronnie coleman does, drugs, diet, training, actually be with him and do the same things that he does during the whole day. we will never achieve what ronnie achieves. His DNA allows for greater accumulation of muscle mass. I think we could get damn respectable and grotesque like, but not quite achieve his ratio to muscle/height ratio. believe me, i am sure jay cutler and the rest are trying

I think you make a good arguement about giving them hormones during puberty, but my opinion still remains that their is more to it than androgens.

-to sum it up, the million dollar sum up point. Muscle potential is a predertimined thing at a time of your life when you are unicellular.

Woman just dont have as much raw material to start out with as men do. I think their are other factors, like genes that are turned on that fight much harder in a woman than in a man to keep muscle size down. they have more to fight against through pathways like this.

obviously, they are probably born with less mucsle fibers, and allthough we can increase number count, they still got less to start with, becuase thats what they were born with.

Their overall frame and bone structure which is smaller, obviously, is a factor that could be altered through hormones, but i still think that through some mechanism like gene expression would keep a womans musculature down. and fight much harder in a woman than in a man.

so my side is that, even given equal doses of androgens, on average, woman do not have the same potential as men to get elite ratios of muscle to height

[mmaximus25]

see, my thinking is that its all in the DNA regardless of androgen levels. We all know their are many many many guys out there taking drug doses that are up their and on par with the pros. yet they these guys are still light years away. Could be the diet and training thats still holding these nameless megadosers back, so many factors.

my main point is, me and everyone else on this forum, if we do exactly precisely what ronnie coleman does, drugs, diet, training, actually be with him and do the same things that he does during the whole day. we will never achieve what ronnie achieves. His DNA allows for greater accumulation of muscle mass. I think we could get damn respectable and grotesque like, but not quite achieve his ratio to muscle/height ratio. believe me, i am sure jay cutler and the rest are trying

I think you make a good arguement about giving them hormones during puberty, but my opinion still remains that their is more to it than androgens.

-to sum it up, the million dollar sum up point. Muscle potential is a predertimined thing at a time of your life when you are unicellular.

Woman just dont have as much raw material to start out with as men do. I think their are other factors, like genes that are turned on that fight much harder in a woman than in a man to keep muscle size down. they have more to fight against through pathways like this.

obviously, they are probably born with less mucsle fibers, and allthough we can increase number count, they still got less to start with, becuase thats what they were born with.

Their overall frame and bone structure which is smaller, obviously, is a factor that could be altered through hormones, but i still think that through some mechanism like gene expression would keep a womans musculature down. and fight much harder in a woman than in a man.

so my side is that, even given equal doses of androgens, on average, woman do not have the same potential as men to get elite ratios of muscle to height

Lad we are going to have to agree to disagree also… I’m not an expert and can see an argument on both sides… yet still must keep my theory as sound from my vantage point and experience with women on pro-hormones as well as AAS.

I can accept your argument but not agree... Genes are evolving through genetic manipulation either consciously or unconsciously. Meaning self induced or environment induced... Your DNA is what can’t change once you pop out... Your DNA is Your DNA... how ever hormones at different stages in life can create that density you're talking about in both men, women and lab rats... estrogens, androgens can manipulate the growth pattern in a female/male to have those dense bones and high red blood cell count, by effecting multiple glands which in turn produce coinciding hormones that continue a multitude of genetic effects over time.

Hormones are one link to genetic manipulation... the other is locating a gene and manipulating before the gene has a chance to affect or be ineffective as the body goes through a particular or general growth process. Actually I think even after location a particular gene the manipulation is done though hormones, but don’t quote me on that. You have heard of Myostatin right, which is a perfect example of locating a gene that can be manipulated. no imagine manipulating that gene at birth but with a female... oh great scott

But I'm sorry from what I've seen with women at current state if you where to manipulate there hormones at an early stage that bone structure and muscular development would basically mimic a man... So again I'm stating that a woman or various women would be genetically superior, equal but not lower than a man, if such manipulation was done.

great converstaion lad

Cheers bro... I didn't spell check this time... these long paragraphs or spewing sessions are sucking the life out of me

[mmaximus25]

OMG I just read some of my posts and if you’re not interested it sounds like blah blah blah, women, blah blah blah...
Nah really this turned out to be a good fv<king conversation... I sometimes thirst for that shet....

I like seeing intelligent but equally crude people take the stage every now and then... but I'll shut tha fv<k up now I got a headache

[swizole]

haha, bro, your old girlfriend could suck the life outta me, thats my type of girl!!! lucky bastard

[Kärnfysikern]

Muscled women cant(or atleast have alot of problems) give birth to children so I would assume that would be one reason women have evolved to naturaly carry less muscle since the overly muscular would have had a big disadvantage.

That would be one thing against your theory. I know practicly nothing about genetics or evolution anyway. Just wanted to throw that in here.

[farrebarre]

i would tap that ass anyday... as long as she doesnt tense her ass-muscles then i wouldnt be able to tap anything anymore.. =(

[mmaximus25]

Muscled women cant(or atleast have alot of problems) give birth to children so I would assume that would be one reason women have evolved to naturaly carry less muscle since the overly muscular would have had a big disadvantage.

That would be one thing against your theory. I know practicly nothing about genetics or evolution anyway. Just wanted to throw that in here.

It doesn't really go against my theory because what you’re saying is truly nature. What I'm saying is "If I were to play God" this would, could be the out come; a genetically enhanced female that can do the same or better than a man. The unknown is the superiority between the sexes. I've actually talked myself into the odds of manipulation granting females only an equivalent body of a male in terms of strength and muscle mass... (In a lesser ratio would some be superior but just as in males, there are some genetically better than others)

I agree 100% with your statement of how women evolve but we aren't exactly talking naturally here... I, and I hope every one understands it’s a what if... Whether you believe in God, an evolutionist or spiritual somewhat... we were all designed for purpose... As you stated about child birth... I wouldn't want to bare children and obviously the hips and bone structure of the pelvic are developed for that purpose in women...


Its more about... Hey guys women are our equals if they had the same biochemistry as a males from a particular stage we might be able to see that alot easier...

[mmaximus25]

haha, bro, your old girlfriend could suck the life outta me, thats my type of girl!!! lucky bastard

Yeah, she has a phenomenal body when you see her naked... We dated briefly and now she's just a friend. She's really small at about 5'1" 5"2 and weighs a little over 105lbs (I think) when we went out... I wish I could tell you about some of the explorations but she is so sweet and cool I wouldn't dream of it... I'll PM you... j/k dude I couldn't do that...

[IronReload04]

fun argument.

we have both said all their is to say. good things coming from both sides

[Kärnfysikern]

It doesn't really go against my theory because what you’re saying is truly nature. What I'm saying is "If I were to play God" this would, could be the out come; a genetically enhanced female that can do the same or better than a man. The unknown is the superiority between the sexes. I've actually talked myself into the odds of manipulation granting females only an equivalent body of a male in terms of strength and muscle mass... (In a lesser ratio would some be superior but just as in males, there are some genetically better than others)

I agree 100% with your statement of how women evolve but we aren't exactly talking naturally here... I, and I hope every one understands it’s a what if... Whether you believe in God, an evolutionist or spiritual somewhat... we were all designed for purpose... As you stated about child birth... I wouldn't want to bare children and obviously the hips and bone structure of the pelvic are developed for that purpose in women...


Its more about... Hey guys women are our equals if they had the same biochemistry as a males from a particular stage we might be able to see that alot easier...

Yeah I understand what your saying. Im just saying that the trait to grow muscle has been removed through out evolution while it has been encouraged for men. So the avarage female probably cant reach the same muscularity as the avarage male if she is given hormones equal to the male.

If you talk stricktly about "genetically enhanced females" then all bets are off offcourse.
But if we talk about taking 1000 avarage females, putting them on enough test to equal the natural production of a male and compare there muscle gains with 1000 avarage males all other factors equal(workouts, food ect). In that scenario I think males would be the stronger.

I remember reading that females have stronger muscle cells than males, but less of them.

[swizole]

anyone ever heard of the human genome project, interesting stuff, doesnt talk about building muscles but is all about genectics, its good stuff for u science geeks

[Myka]

yes but it also somehow allows insurance agencies to at least attempt to pick and choose who they settle with based on blood tests...its almost fair but not really

[Puffader]

I love'm.

THis is tha last girl I dated before my current girl friend... Is she too muscular... There is no fetish unless you call liking muscular women a fetish... shit I guess all tha women that I've fu<cked over the past 12yrs had a fetish for me then...

Hey do you have a small di<k just a question... small men get real scared of women with any kinda muscle.

I dont date regular women... I wish the'd all go away and come back like my current girl (who would remove my co<k if I posted her) and Ex's. Muscular women like to fu<k more times a day... or at least like to fu<k me more times in day... Where are your wires crossed...

[mmaximus25]

I love'm.

thank you she would ML would blush but we only dated breifly and I startin to get scared cause I know if my current girl friend knew I was talkin about someone else she might seriously remove my nut sack...
I'm partial to my nuts... there me nads, me love balls, me baby,, me baby makers

[abstrack]

Ya know if your penis is too small it might not work with these gals...

I dont know if those gals I put up were photo shopped I not familiar with them... But they dont look hard enough and remind me of an off season photo

A lot of really big female BBer's aren't out to get their photos taken when there holding shit loads of water but let just say your right... and let also say you have a large penis too
Because until you've seen a really big female body builder in the their off season you have seen anything... ( I still haven't, I have freinds that have and are also obsessed with some of these girls nude sites )



the first ones are Marja Lehtonen IFBB pro 2nd is Chrity Enval. think how they'd look in the off season

pucker up lad I dont think you got enough muscle to muscle these gals.

I've got more at home but some dont have names and I'm not sure if they are pro...

The girl in the pink dress once competed against my wife. She is from Australia and my wife beat her in the overall.

[abstrack]

Take it easy guys with the direct insults.

[Myka]

it really does amaze me how upset someone can get via the internet...(no flame)

[mmaximus25]

The girl in the pink dress once competed against my wife. She is from Australia and my wife beat her in the overall.

I'll put it this way... I wouldn't want to compete against her and I'm a guy... Thats awesome... I think those larger girls dont fair well in contest because its not what the judges are looking for...

Yeah bro I shut down for awhile due to stress at home... yeah, I got married and now I'm divorced... were still friends... shes cool, I'm cool were just not cool together, naw I mean

[Puffader]

Here's my Ex..

[Mizfit]

I think there is a point where you can get too big. (woman wise)

Personally i want a lean build for myself with some muscle definition.. but i don't want to be bigger than a guy im dating for example.

There are limits and size, build, genetics and what a woman looks like.. all ultimately affect how they look with different levels of muscle mass. IMO.

There are woman i know who are the same weight as me, but don't have any muscle.. Our bodies look like night and day. Some guys love the muscle.. and even with me there are a few who have said i have a bit too much..

[mmaximus25]

it really does amaze me how upset someone can get via the internet...(no flame)

What it is bro... Is when people start making comments that let them hide as if I can say anything and not get smacked in tha face for it... the integrity of the forum goes down... I try and bring good topics for discussion and I like to joke but I don’t make negative comment at anyone's lover, family... If I get into a fight on a forum its because it would have happen in real life... my assault history isn't to be proud here in my home I call Austin... but I don't start sh^t... only finish it...

If this Sage would have read the whole thread from start to finish he would realize the obvious humor behind the mass monster women...

THE DISCUSSION IS ABOUT WOMEN BEING GENETICALLY EQUAL OR SUPERIOR TO MEN...

And I must say I'm pleased with the bros like “swizole and ironreload that threw their brain into the debate... If you've read any of my threads its obvious I thirst for intelligent discussion. I love crude jokes and being able to comprehend and speak intelligently. I'm not merely a brut…

Again I don’t go for the gigantic massed women personally but my women do have beyond average physic's...

[mmaximus25]

Here's my Ex..

She looks great... thats a hard body...

[mmaximus25]

I think there is a point where you can get too big. (woman wise)

Personally i want a lean build for myself with some muscle definition.. but i don't want to be bigger than a guy im dating for example.

There are limits and size, build, genetics and what a woman looks like.. all ultimately affect how they look with different levels of muscle mass. IMO.

There are woman i know who are the same weight as me, but don't have any muscle.. Our bodies look like night and day. Some guys love the muscle.. and even with me there are a few who have said i have a bit too much..

I respect your opinion my ex and my current girlfriend do have a more muscular physic... I wouldn't call it a fetish... and not as large as the massive women but above average... Smaller men really give them a hard time... they get both sides... But then again that’s why they date guys like me
I do have a habit of defending those that aren't asking to be ridiculed...

I wouldn't want to date super huge women, but I don’t think alot of these guys that drool over the fitness not figure women know what some of them look like in the off season...

[Kärnfysikern]

keep threats to pm's please.

[Kärnfysikern]

maximus wanted me to clean and reopen this thread so I did it. But keep it clean this time

[mmaximus25]

maximus wanted me to clean and reopen this thread so I did it. But keep it clean this time

Ah mastah have tha powah, I snatch pebble from yo han. Now I want masta
power... you give, you give now...

Things will be clean, only a misunderstanding... thank you and I apologize

I think in regards to womens genetics and what the future will bring its not so far fetched men and women equal.

"Honey, can you help me load the truck up with those 80lb bags of concret... "sure thing babe, right after I beat the mail man's ass for looking at my chest"

One day I wanna be like Captain Kirk and get down with some green ladies... Now wheres that gene located???