Thread: For the UK bros....
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03-30-2006, 04:54 AM #1
For the UK bros....
there is a bit about steroids on ITV at 12 oclock ...this morning...in around 5 mins time..........
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Booz.. a long-standing member of the AR Police:
sorry but absolutely no sources will be checked at this present time....
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03-30-2006, 04:57 AM #2
nice 1 m8
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03-30-2006, 04:57 AM #3
i'll tune in for that its on this morning isnt it?
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03-30-2006, 04:58 AM #4Originally Posted by dale haywood_____________________
Remember.............for us to help you you need to help us....................stats and exp.........
Source checks and Ugl's to be kept to PM's
dont ask for source checks unless you have 100 posts/and 45 days minimum as a participating member.........
Booz.. a long-standing member of the AR Police:
sorry but absolutely no sources will be checked at this present time....
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03-30-2006, 04:59 AM #5
off 2 go watch it
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03-30-2006, 05:03 AM #6
the idiot was only taking tabs.....well researched wat an idiot...........
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Booz.. a long-standing member of the AR Police:
sorry but absolutely no sources will be checked at this present time....
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03-30-2006, 05:13 AM #7
ye wot a idiot and did u c his b4 pics and then his afters and he sed hed be glad to go back to normal no way he was a real idiot
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03-30-2006, 05:13 AM #8Originally Posted by booz
road rage after a week thats gtta be boll***s i have only felt better when on gear.
As that woman said though, used correctly and safely they are ok
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03-30-2006, 05:14 AM #9
hes just a premoter 2 give anabolic usage a bad name
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03-30-2006, 05:21 AM #10
this is goin to the lounge..................
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03-30-2006, 05:38 AM #11
Goddammit I missed it! What happened?
S
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03-30-2006, 05:42 AM #12
Found it for all you other bros who missed it
http://www.itv-thismorning.co.uk/Hea...?fid=834&tid=2
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03-30-2006, 06:37 AM #13
I couldnt believe that idiot. Apart from the fact he done it all wrong it never mentioned anything about PCT. Or not that i heard anyway
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03-30-2006, 06:37 AM #14
lets all email the program and have a rant at them the addy is :
thismorning@itv.com
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03-30-2006, 06:38 AM #15
oops, am i aloud 2 post the email addy ??
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03-30-2006, 11:15 AM #16English Rudeboy
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I just emailed 'em this:
I missed the feature on today's This Morning but have just read the synopsis on your website. Well done on producing yet another biased, one sided, sensationalist load of rubbish!
Where shall I start?
"Did you know that there are over 38,000 known steroid abusers in the UK..."
What, I wonder, is the number of responsible, informed users? - or is it inconceivable that there should be such a thing, are all those who use steroids in fact by definition enraged, dysfunctional abusers?
"...which is the same number known to be on heroin."
Well then that must prove something, yes? - How pathetic.
"Ben 28 was fed up with his non muscular appearance and 36 inch waist, unable to lift weights and bulk up he was actually beaten up outside a nightclub."
A) Why exactly was Ben unable to lift weights and bulk up?
B) How did Ben expect steroids to help in the abscence of resistance traning?
"Ben decided that he needed to get his life back on track, professionally, personally, physically and sexually so embarked on a six week steroid trial."
So Ben had professional, personal, physical and sexual problems before he started to use steroids? - Hardly an ideal candidate for steroid usage, as Ben would have found out had he conducted any proper research rather than just going with what his frien told him....
"His experience got him into scrapes with the police, he nearly lost his driving licence, got into two fights, couldn't control his temper, nearly lost his girlfriend,"Sounds like Ben is prone to behavioural problems, but we already knew that he got into a fight outside a nightclub before his steroid use . (Yes, I know it said he got beaten up but genuine, random, undeserved beatings are fairly rare, and my guess is that if Ben cannot control himself on steroids then he certainly will not be able to control himself whilst under the influence of alcohol)
"...had difficulty getting an erection,"
As we know, Ben had sexual problems before his steroid use otherwise why was he trying to get his life back on track sexually? (See the second paragraph in your article)
"...became a social recluse,"
Perculiar, steroids are usually associated with an increase in confidence, admittedly though this is when they are used properly so might not be relevant in Ben's case.
"...experienced a wide variety of health problems, got terrible acne and grew excess facial hair forcing him to shave at least twice a day."
Any other examples of this wide variety of health problems? Acne can be controlled, (not that it looks like Ben suffered from it in his photo) adolescents cope with it on a daily basis, and as for the shaving twice a day it's hardly life threatening is it?
"He said he would never do this again as he could not control his emotions and did not like the person that he had become on the drugs."
Not knowing Ben and only going on what I have read, it does not sound as though he was emotionally stable or liked himself before he used steroids.
"...as a way of shocking the body into producing excess testosterone and subsequently building mass."
Completely incorrect.
"Major side effects include cancer, jaundice, liver tumours, fluid retention, high blood pressure, increases in bad cholesterol, kidney tremors, severe acne, trembling and hair loss, testicular atrophy and even death."
Ever read the list of possible side effects on the leaflet that comes with antibiotics? Without incident rate statistics this means nothing.
"Users may also experience blood disorders or abscesses caused by dirty needles..."
Only if they are too stupid to go to their local needle exchange and acquire some sterile single use needles and syringes.
"...and drugs manufactured in unhygienic environments. According to a US newspaper many of the steroids bought illegally were not only counterfeits but also rammed with stuff like arsenic, carcinogenic cattle-fattener and traces of a flammable liquid used in the production of plastics."
Again, proper research into what you are getting and where it is coming from can eliminate these risks, the US newspaper article in question used random .com sources from the internet - these sites are regarded as an absolute joke among responsible steroid users.
"Steroids are not physically but psychologically addictive."
As is exercise itself - is that a bad thing too?
"They also allow the muscles to rebuild, repair and restore quicker resulting in an increase in muscle fibres."
Check your facts, steroids can aid in muscle hypertrophy - the growth of existing muscle fibres, it has yet to be conclusively proved that any exogenous compound can cause muscle hyperplasia - the addition of new muscle fibres.
"...similar results can be obtained in a much safer and healthier way, through correct nutrition and exercise."
Steroid use is no substitute for the above, the use of steroids in the abscence of correct nutrition and exercise will accomplish nothing.
All in all a very unbalanced piece of journalism - very dissapointing but not very surprising.
I only wish I had seen the program, no doubt it was of a similar level of quality to the website article.
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03-30-2006, 11:45 AM #17Originally Posted by NotSmall
when i get back from the gym i'am going to e-mail them ****er's tono open source posting
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03-30-2006, 12:00 PM #18English Rudeboy
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Originally Posted by stocky121
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03-30-2006, 01:55 PM #19
yeh i saw it,what a prick..funny how he managed to get real stuff on the net an then seemed to have had nearly all possible side effects
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03-30-2006, 05:01 PM #20
Damn i missed that shit, my mum told me to watch it as well
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03-30-2006, 05:29 PM #21
missed it.
pants
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03-30-2006, 05:59 PM #22
my message to THIS MORNING
Dear Sir,
Having watched the This Morning program yesterday (30/03/06) I was extremely disappointed to find that you had a piece in your show about the risks of anabolic steroids . I would like to inform you of my disgust at the way this was performed and the total bias towards the ill effects that ABUSE of these drugs can have. I am not a user and never have been, as I am only 20 years old, but having spent a lot of my time researching these drugs I am fully aware of the effects they cause and the side effects often reported are over stated and plain wrong. I have taken the transcript from your website and given my own responses to it in bold immediately after the point I disagree with. If only we could spend the time educating people about nutrition and sports then these false stories that are so often reported about steroids would be reduced and the playing field in the argument over the safety of these drugs levelled.
Did you know that there are over 38,000 known steroid abusers (Do you actually mean USERS on anabolic steroids or just abusers? Abuse is completely different from use. 38,000 users I could believe, but 38,000 abusers is nothing but a false claim) in the UK which is the same number known to be on heroin. It is also being used by children as young as 14 who want to enhance their body image. But the effects can be lethal and can even cause death (Have you or any of your researches got any claims of anabolic steroids being responsible for death? I can guarantee you do not, once again a false claim). In an experiment, Ben Wilson embarked on a six week steroid trial to help him beef up his body.
Ben Wilson
Ben 28 was fed up with his non muscular appearance and 36 inch waist, unable to lift weights and bulk up he was actually beaten up outside a nightclub (Had “Ben” ever even tried to lift weights in his life? Had he ever stuck with a training regime for a good few years whilst maintaining an extremely well balanced diet throughout that time period? Anabolic steroid users strongly advise that people build a strong base before going anywhere near these drugs, meaning train for years and be of a suitable age – about mid 20’s at the earliest!). He became intrigued after a friend mentioned that he had taken steroids and seen brilliant results not just physically but also sexually. Ben decided that he needed to get his life back on track, professionally, personally, physically and sexually so embarked on a six week steroid trial (this is when abuse comes into play. These drugs are not like a party drug. People who use them properly do not just take them for a quick fix. They take them for certain time scales, and follow an extremely strict diet sand exercise plan. No one ever says that they use because they have a low sex drive. People doing this are the cause of the abuse, perfectly good users completely reject this abuse) As a journalist he documented his experience in a diary to be featured in this months Arena magazine.
Was it Worth it?
He says "absolutely not". His experience got him into scrapes with the police, he nearly lost his driving licence, got into two fights, couldn't control his temper (Ben had been in a fight before outside a night club, so where have steroids come into play in this? Maybe Ben is an irresponsible drinker and was bad mouthing others outside the club), nearly lost his girlfriend, had difficulty getting an erection (this is because of abuse or because he failed to carry out the procedure of Post Cycle Therapy when he finished his steroid cycle. If it occurred during the time he was using, he may have had a psychological problem. Maybe the possible break up with his girlfriend was the reason. People using steroids actually have an increased sex drive, therefore getting and maintaining an erection is no problem to them) , became a social recluse (in what way did this happen? If he became a recluse, how did he manage to get into fights and trouble with the police? Again, maybe his stress levels due to the break up of his relationship made him not want to go out, not the steroids. Steroid users actually have a higher sense of well being, so would want to be out and enjoying themselves), experienced a wide variety of health problems, got terrible acne and grew excess facial hair forcing him to shave at least twice a day (terrible acne being what exactly? Teenagers get acne and no one complains bout that, because it can be avoided. This is also not a serious health risk, it can be cleared up using medication or even possible a better cleansing regime. Shaving twice a day is no big deal ,I know many people in that same situation who do not use anabolic steroids, and again this is not a serious health problem). He said he would never do this again as he could not control his emotions and did not like the person that he had become on the drugs (again, sense of well being in steroid users is higher than usual, how can one not enjoy feeling better about themselves? Why could he not control his emotions? Emotions can become uncontrollable when ones hormone levels are unstable (I am not being sexist, but when a female is menstruating, her hormone levels fluctuate, which is why they can become more emotional at this time period) Had he used these drugs properly and ensured that his blood plasma levels of the hormone remained stable throughout his 6 week cycle, he would not have experienced this)
His Advice to others
Steroids are so badly publicised at the moment and people often feel a huge pressure when faced with pictures in magazines that represent the perfect male body. He said he would never advise any one to use steroids in this way and would warn anyone against taking them. It has taken him weeks to win back his girlfriend and get his life back on track. Ben has now been off the steroids for a couple of weeks and his body is now slowly getting back to normal. He said that his lowest point was feeling emotionally unstable, unable to control his turbulent and erratic feelings and losing his girlfriend.
What are steroids?
Steroids are synthetically produced variants of the male hormone testosterone , first developed in 1939. There are many different kinds, but they all have the same purpose: to increase muscle, lose fat, gain strength and aggression (anabolic steroids were not produced for increased aggression. They were created to treat persons with muscle wasting conditions such as AIDS to help prolong their lives). The Olympic Committee banned their use in sport in 1975 which is why Ben Johnson had his gold medal taken off him at the Seoul Olympics in 1988. They were only made illegal in 1990, when the Anabolic Steroid Control Act classified them as a class-C substance, like cannabis. It is legal to have steroids on your possession and travel with them across borders but selling steroids faces a five year sentence and a large fine.
How are Steroids taken?
Taken orally or injected into the bicep or buttock (Steroid users do not advise steroids to be injected into the bicep unless you are experienced. The buttock, Quadricep and Deltoid muscle groups are the favoured places and only after these options have been exhausted are other options such as the bicep explored. This is to reduce scar tissue in the area and also to prevent an abscess), steroids are used in weekly or monthly cycles, rather than continuously, as a way of shocking the body into producing excess testosterone and subsequently building mass (actually when steroids are used they suppress the bodies own production of testosterone, which is why if proper POST CYCLE THERAPY is not conducted, the low testosterone levels can cause impotence. These testosterone levels can be returned if the correct procedures are followed).The cost
They cost very little when bought via numerous internet websites (most of which are never recommended due to the possibility and likelihood of being ‘scammed ie when some one takes the money but does not send the goods), prices range from £50 to £300 . Prices have seen a dramatic crash over the years making them more accessible, they have dropped from approx. £30 a day to £6.
The Dangers
Where once steroids were only used by athletes and the body builders, Doctors are seeing increasing numbers of young men, even adolescents, turning to steroids for no other reason than vanity.
Side effects
Major side effects include cancer (absolutely no evidence to suggest this is a cause), jaundice, liver tumours (again, no evidence), fluid retention (not life threatening- women go through this once a month and men can as well in times of stress), high blood pressure (can be combated with cardiovascular exercise and regular blood pressure tests with a home monitor), increases in bad cholesterol (which can be reduced extremely easily just by diet), kidney tremors severe acne (not life threatening and can be genetic, not all users get this, and again, it can be treated), trembling and hair loss (again this is a genetic trait, not everyone gets this. And this again is not life threatening), testicular atrophy (once more ,not life threatening. Testicles can be returned to their normal size and function using particular drugs when the steroid cycle is complete. Atrophy can even be prevented by the usage of a particular drug throughout the steroid cycle) and even death (a blatent lie. Not one person has ever died as a result of steroid use- FACT). Users may also experience blood disorders or abscesses caused by dirty needles and drugs manufactured in unhygienic environments (which is why steroid users ensure they get their needles from safe places such as a needle exchange). According to a US newspaper many of the steroids bought illegally were not only counterfeits but also rammed with stuff like arsenic, carcinogenic cattle-fattener and traces of a flammable liquid used in the production of plastics (Flammable liquid, well of course, the drugs sometimes have to be dissolved in alcohol, which is flammable, but it does not mean users will combust! And can you please clarify you use of the word RAMMED? Are you talking about fatal levels or small amounts? There is a small amount of cyanide in an apple seed, but no one worried about that! Also, once more, as previously stated, steroid users do not recommend websites as these are he ones most likely to put people at risk). Are they addictive?
Steroids are not physically but psychologically addictive (as is anything that can make you feel good. Exercise in general can be addictive due to the release of endorphins in the body. How can this be harmful). Certain delusional behaviour that is characteristic of addiction can occur. Some athletes who 'bulk up' on anabolic steroids are unaware of body changes that are obvious to others, experiencing what is sometimes called reverse anorexia.
Bridgitte Swales Says
Steroid abuse is not an isolated problem, it is becoming an international problem of the youth today. Steroids increase hormone levels, making people train harder and for longer periods of time and increase performance levels. They also allow the muscles to rebuild, repair and restore quicker resulting in an increase in muscle fibres (this is wrong again! Steroids aid in muscle hypertrophy, but there is no evidence to suggest they can help create new muscle fibres.). Bridgette is very anti steroid drugs for performance and body building use and says that similar results can be obtained in a much safer and healthier way, through correct nutrition and exercise (so why wasn’t Ben told of this beforehand? Bodybuilders and steroid users probably have a much healthier diet than the standard person, who we now know is becoming more obese than before. If people just dedicated themselves to a fitness and diet regime for more than 2 weeks then yes they would see results, but unfortunately people look for miracles, which just don’t happen. Results come from hard work.) . The risks and side effects from steroids do not out weigh the gains, Bridgitte has seen lots of people who have become psychologically dependant on the drugs and seen numerous health related illnesses including heart attacks and strokes (or maybe an unhealthy diet of too many saturated fats could have been the cause).
The thing that bugs me is the ignorance to do with these drugs. People think that if they use them then the drugs will do all the work. It is not that simple. Unfortunately, people do not want to educate themselves on the drugs before hand (like Ben) and therefore they are the reasons for the rejection of these drugs. I believe that if people abuse anything they deserve the side effects. Abuse anything and it will cause harm. Use it safely, and the gains are fantastic.
If people could also understand that diet is a major factor in bodybuilding then these side effects may not happen. If people did not eat such a poor diet, heart problems and strokes could be reduced. There is no way of stopping them completely, but genetic factors come into play with this and there is no way of knowing if the condition would have occurred anyway or not.
I would be grateful if you could please issue me with a response. I am sick and tired of listening to rubbish lying reports on these drugs and feel they need to be defended in a way. Journalists are not experts, and we all know journalists are certainly not honest.
Thank you
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03-31-2006, 02:56 AM #23Originally Posted by NotSmall
Apparently this guy wrote a diary which is going to be published in this months ARENA magazine. Might be worth targeting them as well!
S
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03-31-2006, 03:18 AM #24
My contribution - a little short but I think it makes the point
Having watched the This Morning program yesterday (30/03/06) I was extremely disappointed to find that you had a piece in your show about the risks of anabolic steroids . This piece was obviously put together with little or no actual journalistic fact but rather based on nothing more than speculation and lies.
The list of possible side effects you listed on the website are either absolutely false and backed up by no statistical evidence whatsoever (eg death and cancer) or totally non life threatning and easily dealt with by a responsible user who HAS DONE HIS REAEARCH!! (eg water retention, high blood pressure etc)
Also your subject who tried steroids was an absolute joke. He had no training or nutritinal knowledge whatsoever let alone any knowledge of steroids or how to use them responsibly. Any responsible user knows that:
1. You don't buy steroids for the internet
2. You don't run orals only
3. You need to have a good training and nutritional base before you even consider running steroids
4. You need to research what you're doing and not just take advise from friends
5. You need to put together your steroid programe to include PCT (post cycle therapy ) by using certain druges to bring your natural testosterone levels back to normal
I could go on but in summary your "ginea pig" was stupid and irresponsible and didn't do one thing right.
The majority of steroid users are very responsible and in the persuit of their sport show amazing dedication and discipline. We are not vain or fool hardy but we strive to fulfill a dream just like any other sportsperson. It is a shame your programme failed to report on this aspect of our lifestyle and give us responsible users fair hearing and representation.
Regards,
Tony
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03-31-2006, 06:08 AM #25
Someone should e-mail them the link to the hbo documentary, that was some good stuff.
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03-31-2006, 06:36 AM #26
These people are uneducated idiots and had they done some real reasearch about AS the article would have been much different. i would love to see them get an experienced user on that show to talk about safe steroid use . Not only would it educate people properly but an experienced used could also highlight the dangers.
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03-31-2006, 06:45 AM #27Originally Posted by MastaAce
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03-31-2006, 07:12 AM #28Originally Posted by Schwarz
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03-31-2006, 07:19 AM #29Originally Posted by MastaAce
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