BOUNCER AT CLUB KILLS...D-12's PROOF

[GQ-Bouncer]

not under US law

Yes, according to US Law you can shoot someone who is attempting to murder someone (which is what Proof was doing) - infact, this is a text book self-defense case

According to story as i understand it -

#1 Bouncer gets into argument with Proof
Proof knocks down #1 Bouncer
Proof pulls gun, and points it at #1 Bouncer
#1 Bouncer is shot by Proof
#2 Bouncer sees #1 Bouncer being shot by Proof, pulls gun, and fires 4 rounds at Proof (hitting all 4) killing him
#2 Bouncer saves #1 Bouncers life

[BEER WHORE]

nice bro yeah im lookin to get a new pistol i dont know what to get I just purchased an m4 last month thats fun to just F around with at the range

yeah man its range season man the spring is here

[BEER WHORE]

Yes, according to US Law you can shoot someone who is attempting to murder someone (which is what Proof was doing) - infact, this is a text book self-defense case

According to story as i understand it -

#1 Bouncer gets into argument with Proof
Proof knocks down #1 Bouncer
Proof pulls gun, and points it at #1 Bouncer
#1 Bouncer is shot by Proof
#2 Bouncer sees #1 Bouncer being shot by Proof, pulls gun, and fires 4 rounds at Proof (hitting all 4) killing him
#2 Bouncer saves #1 Bouncers life

#1 bouncer was prob not a bouncer..#2 bouncer chased Proof to the parking lot after the 1st shooting took place inside the club.... in the USA you cant hunt some down and claim it was self defense ....PROOF was getting in his car. GQ can u carry guns CCW up north?

[GQ-Bouncer]

Dont talk when u have no clue about how that place was run. If you lived there and have been there and read all the newspaper articles you would know. And if u stepped into that place U would stick out bad. And you wouldnt kill anyone. Real killers dont talk homie.

Your right, i dont know how this place was run.

I'm assuming it was "front" club, which is used to launder drug money, the Bouncers were probably gang members, the owner more than likely had that nightclub as his "legit" business in order to claim income. More over, they probably used that club to sell ecstacy, cocaine, marijuana to patrons inside, other friendly gangmembers would not pay cover or wait in line.

Does that sound about right?

The fact is, "Proof" was the one who initiated the violence, he was also the one who introduced gunplay to the violence. Proof killed himself.

"Real killers dont talk homie." ... nice... i guess Proof, Eminem, 2 Pac, 50 Cent and all those people aren't killers than huh? seeing as how they make a living on how they sing about killing people.

[GQ-Bouncer]

#1 bouncer was prob not a bouncer..#2 bouncer chased Proof to the parking lot after the 1st shooting took place inside the club.... in the USA you cant hunt some down and claim it was self defense ....PROOF was getting in his car. GQ can u carry guns CCW up north?

The CNN story that you posted doesnt say that

Your allowed to own firearms in Canada yes, we dont have conceal carry permits

[BEER WHORE]

GQ can you carry guns in your car or to bars? and not get cited or arrested?

[GQ-Bouncer]

yah you can carry one in your trunk, you just have to cite on your paperwork that your gun club is open 24 hours.

You would never be able to legally justify a shooting in Canada though. (or it would be very very difficult)

[soccer#3]

i guess Proof, Eminem, 2 Pac, 50 Cent and all those people aren't killers than huh? seeing as how they make a living on how they sing about killing people.

let me tell u some.. tupac was the only and real G in the game. he was a lotta things but never a killer.
u see a lot of rappers rappin about shootin n killin people, thats just an image. 50 cent cant go to the hood, none of them can (except for Pac). how many records would 50 sell if he was rappin about flowers, none!

the downside to this is that a lot of teens dont know this and they mimic it.
i dont even think i can name a rapper that has actually killed anyone. at least not in the mainstream.

bottom line.. proofs gone, he's not comin back.. r-i-p.

[Hunter]

let me tell u some.. tupac was the only and real G in the game. he was a lotta things but never a killer.
u see a lot of rappers rappin about shootin n killin people, thats just an image. 50 cent cant go to the hood, none of them can (except for Pac). how many records would 50 sell if he was rappin about flowers, none!

the downside to this is that a lot of teens dont know this and they mimic it.
i dont even think i can name a rapper that has actually killed anyone. at least not in the mainstream.

bottom line.. proofs gone, he's not comin back.. r-i-p.

Actually Tupac did not have anything on his record untill after he got signed I saw it on a B.E.T documentry. There are rappers now who have come from the ghetto and rappers who haven't. Rap is like proffesional wrestling you need to sepperate it from your life.

[the_rebirth]

Your right, i dont know how this place was run.

I'm assuming it was "front" club, which is used to launder drug money, the Bouncers were probably gang members, the owner more than likely had that nightclub as his "legit" business in order to claim income. More over, they probably used that club to sell ecstacy, cocaine, marijuana to patrons inside, other friendly gangmembers would not pay cover or wait in line.

Does that sound about right?

The fact is, "Proof" was the one who initiated the violence, he was also the one who introduced gunplay to the violence. Proof killed himself.

"Real killers dont talk homie." ... nice... i guess Proof, Eminem, 2 Pac, 50 Cent and all those people aren't killers than huh? seeing as how they make a living on how they sing about killing people.

I was talkin real killers dont talk because u said it, not talking about some song with words that rhymed. your from Canada so i see why u talk like this

[BEER WHORE]

3dS how life out in VEGAS man I wanna move out there

[NotSmall]

Wow - I haven't seen a thread with so many people talking crap in it for a long time!

With the limited information available at present it is impossible to say who is more at fault, it could be that Proof caused an incident was approached by bouncers and asked to leave but instead pulled a gun, shot an innocent bouncer and deserved to be shot himself OR it could be that the bouncers started shit with Proof who, acting in fear of his life, had to use lethal force to try and escape the situation but unfortunately was shot as he tried to make his escape.

The point is WE DON'T KNOW YET, but everyone is making assumptions, hell GQ has now decided that the club must be a front for a money laundering and drug dealing operation and the bouncers he was so vigorously defending are in fact gangsters themselves! - GQ you should apply for a job with the police as a psychic consultant!

As for soccer#3's comments, Tupac a real G? - have you ever listened to Digital Underground? And, while I'm not suggesting that they have, how on earth would you know if any mainstream rappers had killed anyone?

[GQ-Bouncer]

The point is WE DON'T KNOW YET, but everyone is making assumptions, hell GQ has now decided that the club must be a front for a money laundering and drug dealing operation and the bouncers he was so vigorously defending are in fact gangsters themselves! - GQ you should apply for a job with the police as a psychic consultant!

I was sarcastically trying to summerize the nightclub as the worst possable scenerio... and I did apply for the police as a psychic consultant

[NotSmall]

I was sarcastically trying to summerize the nightclub as the worst possable scenerio... and I did apply for the police as a psychic consultant

OK


I also like this part:

The fact is, "Proof" was the one who initiated the violence, he was also the one who introduced gunplay to the violence. Proof killed himself.

How are those the facts?
It is fortunate that you are not a policeman, you would interview the first alleged eye witness you came across and close the case!

[GQ-Bouncer]

I also like this part:

How are those the facts?
It is fortunate that you are not a policeman, you would interview the first alleged eye witness you came across and close the case!

it was on that CNN post that BEER WHORE posted, this whole discussion is based off that story

jus a sec, i'll go whore it up

[GQ-Bouncer]

here it is

Exclusive: Shooting Details Involving Rapper Proof Emerge
By Nolan Strong
Date: 4/12/2006 9:30pm

CNN.com


An altercation inside a Detroit nightclub led to the death of D-12 rapper Proof after an argument allegedly turned into a gunfight, leaving a bouncer wounded, according to sources.

A source that requested anonymity told AllHipHop.com that Proof was in the club after-hours when a heated verbal argument between Proof and a bouncer allegedly broke out and escalated.

Proof was shot and killed around 4:30 am on April 11 and the bouncer was seriously wounded, both with gunshots to the head.

"Proof knocked dude down and stood over him with gun in hand," a source close to Proof told AllHipHop.com. "Proof shot first. The bouncer on the ground didn't shoot Proof another bouncer did. Proof was shot 4 times. Twice in the head and twice in the chest/stomach area."

Police have identified the second man as 35-year-old Keith Bender.

Bender is alive, but is still in critical condition.

"Dude [Bender] is on life support and not expected to live at all," the source continued.

Investigators are still trying to piece together details of the shooting but have stated they believe two guns were used in the shooting.

According to sources, Proof was licensed to carry his weapon.

Officers have frequently been called to the club, taking 18 incident reports since 1996.

The club was raided in December of 2005 for selling alcohol to minors and Proof's murder was the third time a shooting had occurred at or near the club.

"All this s**t is senseless and real f**ed up. Proof was a longtime friend who wouldn't stay the f**k out the hood. To many jealous people in the hood mad cause you made it.

"8 Mile [road] near Hayes on Detroit's Eastside at 4 am in the morning? That Triple C spot always has drama up there. Why was he there?" the source continued.

The police questioned one witness in the case and seek to speak to others to find suspects.

[GQ-Bouncer]

I was talkin real killers dont talk because u said it, not talking about some song with words that rhymed. your from Canada so i see why u talk like this

I live 5 minutes away from the US Border, infact I was in the US today

[NotSmall]

it was on that CNN post that BEER WHORE posted, this whole discussion is based off that story

jus a sec, i'll go whore it up

Yes I read it but, like I said, it is one persons version of events.

Read the last sentence in the CNN report you just reposted, luckily it would seem that the detroit Police are not as easily pleased as you...

[craneboy]

sounds like the bar they were at is a known bad place, so anyone going there would knowingly be putting themselves at risk

[MASTER]

I doubt we will ever know what actually happenened, in these situations witnesses never speak up, hell would you make a statement against someone who has gang involvement and you've just seen gun down someone else.

[RA]

If that info from cnn.com is correct sounds like he got what he deserved.

[scriptfactory]

If that info from cnn.com is correct sounds like he got what he deserved.

That story is from ONE witness who sounds illiterate... I doubt that is exactly how the story really played out.

[spencer]

I will find out the name of it

yeah man pm me it. hes from north manchester and im in south tho so might not know it

[soccer#3]

Wow - I haven't seen a thread with so many people talking crap in it for a long time!

With the limited information available at present it is impossible to say who is more at fault, it could be that Proof caused an incident was approached by bouncers and asked to leave but instead pulled a gun, shot an innocent bouncer and deserved to be shot himself OR it could be that the bouncers started shit with Proof who, acting in fear of his life, had to use lethal force to try and escape the situation but unfortunately was shot as he tried to make his escape.

The point is WE DON'T KNOW YET, but everyone is making assumptions, hell GQ has now decided that the club must be a front for a money laundering and drug dealing operation and the bouncers he was so vigorously defending are in fact gangsters themselves! - GQ you should apply for a job with the police as a psychic consultant!

As for soccer#3's comments, Tupac a real G? - have you ever listened to Digital Underground? And, while I'm not suggesting that they have, how on earth would you know if any mainstream rappers had killed anyone?

yes i've listened to DU, whats ur point?
if a famous person kills someone, its a whole lot easier to get busted for it, wouldnt u agree?? its possible some may have killed someone got away wit it but i doubt it. the police have undercovers followin all of em, just look at Game's documentary. if u know who c-murder is he's doin life in jail last time i checked for killin someone (just thought of that). he pleaded not guilty but he's lock'd up.

[soccer#3]

Actually Tupac did not have anything on his record untill after he got signed I saw it on a B.E.T documentry. There are rappers now who have come from the ghetto and rappers who haven't. Rap is like proffesional wrestling you need to sepperate it from your life.

true, 2pac didnt have anything on him till he got signed. but that doesnt mean he didnt do shit that he didnt get busted for right.
and that dont mean he didnt keep a AK47 and at his house. its once u blow up u get into shit, nobody cares about u when ur small time or doin underground stuff.

[freak_of_nature_86]

Wow - I haven't seen a thread with so many people talking crap in it for a long time!

With the limited information available at present it is impossible to say who is more at fault, it could be that Proof caused an incident was approached by bouncers and asked to leave but instead pulled a gun, shot an innocent bouncer and deserved to be shot himself OR it could be that the bouncers started shit with Proof who, acting in fear of his life, had to use lethal force to try and escape the situation but unfortunately was shot as he tried to make his escape.

The point is WE DON'T KNOW YET, but everyone is making assumptions, hell GQ has now decided that the club must be a front for a money laundering and drug dealing operation and the bouncers he was so vigorously defending are in fact gangsters themselves! - GQ you should apply for a job with the police as a psychic consultant!

As for soccer#3's comments, Tupac a real G? - have you ever listened to Digital Underground? And, while I'm not suggesting that they have, how on earth would you know if any mainstream rappers had killed anyone?

Tupac a real G!!?? All those rappers or guys from the "ghetto" are nothing but bums and thugs who sell little grams on street corners like bums, they aint no G's, a real ****in Gangster are made men in organized crimes like the Italian Mafia, thats a G, not those ****in monkeys from the ghetto. the media ****s with ****ers minds making them sound and look like G, there nothing but bums

[soccer#3]

Tupac a real G!!?? All those rappers or guys from the "ghetto" are nothing but bums and thugs who sell little grams on street corners like bums, they aint no G's, a real ****in Gangster are made men in organized crimes like the Italian Mafia, thats a G, not those ****in monkeys from the ghetto. the media ****s with ****ers minds making them sound and look like G, there's nothing but bums

okay, calm down.. dont have a heart attack

[NotSmall]

yes i've listened to DU, whats ur point?

My point is that Tupac only became all "gangsta" because he got carried away after making Juice.

if a famous person kills someone, its a whole lot easier to get busted for it, wouldnt u agree?? its possible some may have killed someone got away wit it but i doubt it. the police have undercovers followin all of em, just look at Game's documentary. if u know who c-murder is he's doin life in jail last time i checked for killin someone (just thought of that). he pleaded not guilty but he's lock'd up.

I don't know, or particularly care, if any mainstream rappers have actually killed anyone, like Ice T said "It's entertainment like Terminator on TV", my point was that just because you don't know about it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

[Diezed]

since when do bouncers in nightclubs carry guns??....

[Diezed]

like my brother says " THE "REALEST" NIGGAS DEAD".......lol

[soccer#3]

My point is that Tupac only became all "gangsta" because he got carried away after making Juice.


I don't know, or particularly care, if any mainstream rappers have actually killed anyone, like Ice T said "It's entertainment like Terminator on TV", my point was that just because you don't know about it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

thats ur opinion and i respect that, but i disagree tho

and i did mention too that someone can kill someone else and get away wit it

but like u, i dont care neither.. none of my concerns

[BEER WHORE]

since when do bouncers in nightclubs carry guns??....

yeah i thought that was a big no-no. in clubs

[doctorherb]

I'm assuming it was "front" club, which is used to launder drug money, the Bouncers were probably gang members, the owner more than likely had that nightclub as his "legit" business in order to claim income. More over, they probably used that club to sell ecstacy, cocaine, marijuana to patrons inside, other friendly gangmembers would not pay cover or wait in line.

Does that sound about right?

The fact is, "Proof" was the one who initiated the violence, he was also the one who introduced gunplay to the violence. Proof killed himself.

"Real killers dont talk homie." ... nice... i guess Proof, Eminem, 2 Pac, 50 Cent and all those people aren't killers than huh? seeing as how they make a living on how they sing about killing people.

GQgirl

[BEER WHORE]

I herd about that on cnn. I am bouncer bro and not all bouncers are like that maybe they felt threatenedI know everytime i get into it with someone in the bar im watching my back making sure i dont get hit in head with a bottle. Not saying what they did was right but maybe thers a reason that no one knows yet

yeah you seem like a good guy so does GQ...but just recently there has been lots of trouble with bouncer like the Little John case in NYC...I know most bars dont even do back ground checks around philly.

[BigRandy]

it doesnt really matter who did what/who was right/wrong either way its unfortunate. someone lost a son,friend what have you

[powerbolicroid]

R.i.P_______________________

Things like this happen like it or not ''thats just the way it is''.

[BARLOW]

he's dead...let it go! i know its hard...let it go.....u can come cry in my bed if u want.........

[BEER WHORE]

he's dead...let it go! i know its hard...let it go.....u can come cry in my bed if u want.........

No way you "jewish devil"....JK...lol. scary avvy man.

[BARLOW]

all my church girls on msn wont talk to me because of it

[BajanBastard]

Tupac a real G!!?? All those rappers or guys from the "ghetto" are nothing but bums and thugs who sell little grams on street corners like bums, they aint no G's, a real ****in Gangster are made men in organized crimes like the Italian Mafia, thats a G, not those ****in monkeys from the ghetto. the media ****s with ****ers minds making them sound and look like G, there nothing but bums

I guess you never heard about the Crips, Bloods, MS-13 and other street gangs.


Ha! I don't even know what to say about this one . People like you crack me to fukk up.