Yes, YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE PAYING INCOME TAX!!!

[Atomini]

Okay, that's not what I believe.

But now that i've got your attention, look at this:

http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsieg.../taxes/F2F.htm

and

http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsieg.../JustNoLaw.htm

This link got no attention in my other thread, and we've got alot of Ron Paul supporters here. I am looking for input on that link and I would like to know if the author of those 2 pages has any validity whatsoever.

Please discuss.

[SMCengineer]

I would like to know if the author of those 2 pages has any validity whatsoever.

I would like to know this as well.

[convalescence69]

well, as I understand it, the amendment is in there but it was not ratified properly, like it was fraudulantly slipped in, with few records showing when and who voted for it.
The constitution says that any tax must be apportioned to be legal, the income tax is unapportioned making it unconstitutional.
The Federal Reserve is a privately owned bank which directly controls the money supply of our entire nation. This is also unconstitutional.

[convalescence69]

If you go here: http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/...rt_3_of_3.html and skip to 13:00 minutes in it will explain it and it also interviews actual IRS agents that tell you the Income Tax is a buncha Bullsh*t.

[SMCengineer]

well, as I understand it, the amendment is in there but it was not ratified properly, like it was fraudulantly slipped in, with few records showing when and who voted for it.

http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsieg...taxes/16th.htm

This is claiming that it was properly ratified.

[thegodfather]

I'm a little busy right now I'll dive into it later...However it quotes the IRS tax code several times, which when discussing US law, is about as credible as citing the McDonalds Dollar menu....IRS tax code is just irrelevant without the Constitutionally based laws to support it, and that is the case here.

[Chitown Raider]

I'm a little busy right now I'll dive into it later...However it quotes the IRS tax code several times, which when discussing US law, is about as credible as citing the McDonalds Dollar menu....IRS tax code is just irrelevant without the Constitutionally based laws to support it, and that is the case here.

See the problem here with the IRS a.k.a. fradulent corporation is.... When we are born we are a living breathing substance. Once we enter into the system we get a number a code a.k.a Social Security. Hence then, we get our names capitalized on everything, bank statements credit cards, So we enter into this system of monetary expense usually always at our own. People get married build familes get morgages car loans, etc. But they what they fail to realize is they are using everything off a false income. What happens whens the stock market collapes? It's like the old saying by Henry Ford, If they the public had any clue how the monetary situation worked there would be a revoultion by tomorrow morning. Why are there so many foreclosures right now? I drive by private mortgage institutions on the way to work that are closed down due to lack of business.

[Pooks]

Income tax sucks!!!

Repeal that 16th Amendment.
It's such BS!!!! Where was the supreme court, when the legislature passed this piece of crock bill?

[DSM4Life]

[Logan13]

Income tax sucks!!!

Repeal that 16th Amendment.
It's such BS!!!! Where was the supreme court, when the legislature passed this piece of crock bill?

Think of the repercussions of repealing it. Social Security is gone for sure, roads and maintenance on them will stop. Military would collapse. What I do like is that the billions spent on silly social programs would come to an end, but it is just not feasible........

[goodcents]

Roads are payed with fuel taxes The income tax goes to the debt that the reserve made upProperty taxes pay for schools, sales tax pays for local government, see how they brain wash us

[Pooks]

Think of the repercussions of repealing it. Social Security is gone for sure, roads and maintenance on them will stop. Military would collapse. What I do like is that the billions spent on silly social programs would come to an end, but it is just not feasible........

SOCIAL SECURITY = lets see, I've spent over 5,000 prolly a lot more on Social Security last year... What will i probbably get out of it.. in 40 years if i take that 5,000 and adjust it to inflation.. which in 40 years will prolly equal 20,000$+ dollars... PROBBABLY NOTHING!!!!

MILITARY WOULD COLLAPSE... Military might get privatized, if Private corporations see a need for the militiary example.. OIL Companies want military presence in the Middleast.... sure our price of gas at the pump would go up,, but at least we would not have to be paying an income tax :-D


ROAD AND INFRASTRUCTURE.... we need roads to keep the growth in this nation going, so every corporation has a vested interest in keeping roads going... so with income tax gone.. I'm sure many transportation companies would throw in some money and pay for the support of the road and highway system.. in other words ROADS would get more privatized.


I'm gonna IRRATE you with my last comment Logan, but it is made in good fun..
Your income tax way is Communist socialist way...

Income taxes support area of the United States that are in the slumps..
without income tax and everything privatized.. Shitty areas of the United States where corporations cant make money in, will be left to rot, and nice areas will be doing just great! Which makes a lot of sense in the free market capitalistic survivor of the fittest way.

[sooners04]

If there were no income taxes just think how much your paycheck would be!! Let the gov raise the sales tax because its proven that the more money people make (no income tax coming out of their paycheck) the more they will spend and the money could be made up with a little higher sales tax.

[thegodfather]

Think of the repercussions of repealing it. Social Security is gone for sure, roads and maintenance on them will stop. Military would collapse. What I do like is that the billions spent on silly social programs would come to an end, but it is just not feasible........

Lol, thinking of the repercussions should NEVER be an issue when we are talking about an illegal unconstitutional law. Just because the current system is built up around a flawed and illegal amendment does not mean that it should not be repealed because of that. We would not keep an innocent person in jail, and say "think of the repercussions of admitting we were wrong," would we?

[DSM4Life]

I can't get to the unsubscibe button fast enough!

[Atomini]

Lol, thinking of the repercussions should NEVER be an issue when we are talking about an illegal unconstitutional law. Just because the current system is built up around a flawed and illegal amendment does not mean that it should not be repealed because of that. We would not keep an innocent person in jail, and say "think of the repercussions of admitting we were wrong," would we?

Just like alot of other flawed laws out there.

[MuscleScience]

All I can say to those who think they dont have to pay taxes go ahead and do it and tell us all how it turns out. LOL

[Tock]

All I can say to those who think they dont have to pay taxes go ahead and do it and tell us all how it turns out. LOL

http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/...=2007707130321

Local attorney acquitted on federal income tax charges
Cryer stopped filing income taxes more than 10 years ago
July 13, 2007

A Shreveport attorney who has challenged the government for years on the legality of filing federal income taxes has been acquitted on charges he failed to file returns.

A federal jury unanimously found Tommy Cryer not guilty this week on two misdemeanor counts of failure to file.

And according to Cryer, the prosecution dismissed two felony charges of tax evasion prior to trial.

Attempts by The Times on Thursday to reach U.S. Attorney Donald Washington or Bill Flanagan, first assistant U.S. attorney, were not successful. Calls made to the two were not immediately returned.

"The court could not find a law that makes me liable or makes my revenues taxable," Cryer said. "The Supreme Court has ruled that the government cannot impose an income tax on anything but the profits and gains. When you work for someone you give your service and labor in exchange for money, so everything you make is not profit or gain. You put something into it."

Cryer was indicted last year on two counts of tax evasion. The indictment alleged he evaded payment of $73,000 in income tax to the Internal Revenue Service during 2000 and 2001.

Cryer created a trust listing himself as the trustee, and received payments of dividends, interest and stock income to that trust, according to the indictment. He also was accused of concealing his receipt of the sources of income from the IRS by failing to file a tax return on behalf of that trust.

"I determined that my personal earnings were not 100 percent profits, some were income," Cryer said. "I refuse to file, I refuse to pay unless they can show me I have a lawful reason to pay."

"What I earned was my own personal labor. I am giving something in exchange. I'm giving my property and I don't belong to anyone else."

Cryer says he stopped filing returns more than 10 years ago after he investigated claims that income tax was a sham. He contends the law doesn't actually tax personal earning.

[wascaptain5214]

All I can say to those who think they dont have to pay taxes go ahead and do it and tell us all how it turns out. LOL

i have a couple of bro's who are tax protesters. one lost his house(which was paid ) and his business. one bro,(masters in political science) is not far from doing the same. dont f&ck with the irs, they got deep pockets and will spend millions to get the grand, you owe in back taxes.

[paulzane]

i have a couple of bro's who are tax protesters. one lost his house(which was paid ) and his business. one bro,(masters in political science) is not far from doing the same. dont f&ck with the irs, they got deep pockets and will spend millions to get the grand, you owe in back taxes.

Good advice capt'n

[MuscleScience]

http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/...=2007707130321

Local attorney acquitted on federal income tax charges
Cryer stopped filing income taxes more than 10 years ago
July 13, 2007

A Shreveport attorney who has challenged the government for years on the legality of filing federal income taxes has been acquitted on charges he failed to file returns.

A federal jury unanimously found Tommy Cryer not guilty this week on two misdemeanor counts of failure to file.

And according to Cryer, the prosecution dismissed two felony charges of tax evasion prior to trial.

Attempts by The Times on Thursday to reach U.S. Attorney Donald Washington or Bill Flanagan, first assistant U.S. attorney, were not successful. Calls made to the two were not immediately returned.

"The court could not find a law that makes me liable or makes my revenues taxable," Cryer said. "The Supreme Court has ruled that the government cannot impose an income tax on anything but the profits and gains. When you work for someone you give your service and labor in exchange for money, so everything you make is not profit or gain. You put something into it."

Cryer was indicted last year on two counts of tax evasion. The indictment alleged he evaded payment of $73,000 in income tax to the Internal Revenue Service during 2000 and 2001.

Cryer created a trust listing himself as the trustee, and received payments of dividends, interest and stock income to that trust, according to the indictment. He also was accused of concealing his receipt of the sources of income from the IRS by failing to file a tax return on behalf of that trust.

"I determined that my personal earnings were not 100 percent profits, some were income," Cryer said. "I refuse to file, I refuse to pay unless they can show me I have a lawful reason to pay."

"What I earned was my own personal labor. I am giving something in exchange. I'm giving my property and I don't belong to anyone else."

Cryer says he stopped filing returns more than 10 years ago after he investigated claims that income tax was a sham. He contends the law doesn't actually tax personal earning.

I wonder how much money he spent fighting the IRS. I bet is wasnt as much as they spent.

[SMCengineer]

they got deep pockets and will spend millions to get the grand, you owe in back taxes.

Hahaha good point.

[Logan13]

SOCIAL SECURITY = lets see, I've spent over 5,000 prolly a lot more on Social Security last year... What will i probbably get out of it.. in 40 years if i take that 5,000 and adjust it to inflation.. which in 40 years will prolly equal 20,000$+ dollars... PROBBABLY NOTHING!!!!

MILITARY WOULD COLLAPSE... Military might get privatized, if Private corporations see a need for the militiary example.. OIL Companies want military presence in the Middleast.... sure our price of gas at the pump would go up,, but at least we would not have to be paying an income tax :-D


ROAD AND INFRASTRUCTURE.... we need roads to keep the growth in this nation going, so every corporation has a vested interest in keeping roads going... so with income tax gone.. I'm sure many transportation companies would throw in some money and pay for the support of the road and highway system.. in other words ROADS would get more privatized.


I'm gonna IRRATE you with my last comment Logan, but it is made in good fun..
Your income tax way is Communist socialist way...

Income taxes support area of the United States that are in the slumps..
without income tax and everything privatized.. Shitty areas of the United States where corporations cant make money in, will be left to rot, and nice areas will be doing just great! Which makes a lot of sense in the free market capitalistic survivor of the fittest way.

Hell no, I totally agree with that statement.