What is your opinio about GAS PRICES?

[dirtball_619]

You guys should rent who killed the electric car and see the steps gm took to get rid of them even though they worked perfectly and people wanted to buy them and they threatened them with legal action just for wanting to buy them, wtf? Fuk gm, pieces of shlt anyways

so true goodcents. soooo true

[goodcents]

so true goodcents. soooo true

Ford and Dodge suck too

[goodcents]

Ps, I'm not joking

[taiboxa]

Ford and Dodge suck too

yeah.. well.. i had sex with ur mom!
im not really that mean.. i just saw the seinfield episode where George says it

[Kratos]

You guys should rent who killed the electric car and see the steps gm took to get rid of them even though they worked perfectly and people wanted to buy them and they threatened them with legal action just for wanting to buy them, wtf? Fuk gm, pieces of shlt anyways

Did you happen to pick up the fact that each EV1 cost the copany over 250k to build. You can't criminalize them for wanting to take them off the road, something would go wrong eventually and some greedy bastard would sue them as the fleet ages.

Also did you pick up that the only reason manufactures in Japan started designing hybid power trains is because American companies started doing so first. The American car companies cut the programs, Japaneese didn't and came out looking like saviors of the enviroment.

Toyota and Honda pulled their fleet electric cars off the road at the same time as GM pulled the EV1. They also did it in the same, you can lease not buy method.

Battery powered cars are going to play a big role in the future imo but the public wasn't ready yet.

[ecivon]

Come to the UK then

Us The Government

We pay £4.94 a Gallon so lets say £5, so thats equal to $10 US a gallon..

We also have toll roads like you guys but then have 4x4 tax and tax to drive in london and then permit tax to park outside your own house..

You guys got it easy...

But all of the excess you pay at the pump is in the form of taxes imposed by your government. You take away taxes to equal ours and our gas prices wouldn't be that different.

[ecivon]

Yeah, but check this out. As far as crude oil goes, when it is refined it is the only resource where you end with quite a bit more than when you started.

The problem is the fvcking futures traders and lack of refinery capacity because the oil companies like how they've arranged the market and the government refuses to order additional refineries being built away from the hurricane zones.

[Kratos]

Ford and Dodge suck too

Keep exporting your money, and complain about the value of the US dollar.

Every Prius Americans buy equates to a trade deficit of like 16k.

Forgin companies don't build cars in America either for the most part, they assemble them. There is a difference. When you hear about Toyota's record profits, that money is on a plane back to Japan.

[wilson9d]

I bought a house 4 ml from work 2 yrs ago after gas was forecasted to go to $3 per gallon. I will start riding my bike to work this summer. I refuse to pay $4 or more per gallon.

[kfrost06]

Uhh the link is rite above thanks for ur negativity..U might learn something if u open ur mind
Rest assured frost i dont deal in make believe do urself a favor friend...u should do some research of ur own before u discount FACTS!

o.k. back to the real world...

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...0437cd1cee1e7&

here's a quote..."The car was a wonderful, if unlikely, dream while it lasted, offering a
pollution-free future powered by a limitless source of energy. But the
dream was shattered when Meyer was found guilty of fraud after his Water
Fuel Cell was tested before an Ohio judge.
It is rare for an inventor to be prosecuted for an invention that does not
work, but Meyer's problem was that he had been selling "dealerships",
offering investors the "right to do business'' in Water Fuel Cell tech-
nology in anticipation of the day when water would power anything From
domestic boilers to cars and aircraft.
But recently two suspicious investors could not wait for that day to dawn
and sued Meyer to get their money back."

He was a fraud that sold a dream to chumps and there is no shortage of chumps out there. You see, in physics there is something called thermodynamics and a perpetual motion machine violates the first law of thermodynamics which makes even the idea impossible.

Or what is more likely is Bush had him killed because Bush wants us dependent on big oil companies and if we stop using oil then global warming will stop to and there is no way Bush would allow that to happen.

[wilson9d]

i wish i could find a bicycle that could hold me..
tires always ****in go flat or the seat impales my rump ><

your riding the wrong bikes. go to a good bike shop.

[pumpd4lif]

o.k. back to the real world...

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...0437cd1cee1e7&

here's a quote..."The car was a wonderful, if unlikely, dream while it lasted, offering a
pollution-free future powered by a limitless source of energy. But the
dream was shattered when Meyer was found guilty of fraud after his Water
Fuel Cell was tested before an Ohio judge.
It is rare for an inventor to be prosecuted for an invention that does not
work, but Meyer's problem was that he had been selling "dealerships",
offering investors the "right to do business'' in Water Fuel Cell tech-
nology in anticipation of the day when water would power anything From
domestic boilers to cars and aircraft.
But recently two suspicious investors could not wait for that day to dawn
and sued Meyer to get their money back."

He was a fraud that sold a dream to chumps and there is no shortage of chumps out there. You see, in physics there is something called thermodynamics and a perpetual motion machine violates the first law of thermodynamics which makes even the idea impossible.

Or what is more likely is Bush had him killed because Bush wants us dependent on big oil companies and if we stop using oil then global warming will stop to and there is no way Bush would allow that to happen.

American court finds inventor of water-powered car is guilty of fraud.
Report by Tony Edwards

lol!the first 2 words in this sentence says it all for me

[pumpd4lif]

What a great invention!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVhXr...eature=related

[Kratos]

What a great invention!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVhXr...eature=related

Surely people arn't dumb enough to think this works.

[pumpd4lif]

Surely people arn't dumb enough to think this works.

it is very simple to make hydrogen.my brother did it in his back yard.Hundreds of videos on it people are actually building these things and putting them on there own cars and getting 70 plus miles to the gallon(still using 10% gasoline)Believe it or not i will not lose any sleep over it.there is another link with bmw is using a method just like most of these people extremely inovative

www.youtube.com/watch?v=N675mHss_uQ

http://www.youtube.com/user/ZigourasEngineering

[Prada]

This is what the government wants you to think and it is far from the truth. The truth is that the oil cos. manipulate the market to extract the highest possible prices and get the blessing of the Bush admin to get away with it.

Oil and oil prices should be declared a national security issue and treated as such.

OPEC has absolutely nothing to do with our gas prices. They are a result of intentional lack of refinery capacity, convenient refinery shutdowns and for Gawds sake who knows why, futures traders, who do absolutely nothing, who drive up the cost of a barrel they have zilch to do with, by buying and selling fictitious oil and driving the price up.

What the hell else can we expect when all of the top officials in the govt are all oil people and are corrupt?

Yes I agree, however OPEC decides on the supply. If they want to help ease some of the price gouging then they can/could increase supply. However,as you stated, OPEC doesnt care and explicitly blamed US economic policies for the high barrel prices. Why should OPEC decrease its own profits due to the US $. Fact of the matter is demand and supply is more like dependency(addiction) and supply. Consumers are willing to pay X dollars because there really isn't an alternative.

[scottythebody]

Maybe if people would stop buying hummers and huge trucks the demand would go down and prices would drop

[spywizard]

um, no.

Tree huggers wont let us build any refineries or drill for oil and we have 25 different blends of Gas in the US. Its plain silly to blame GW for this.

we have a winner..

[Jay D]

But all of the excess you pay at the pump is in the form of taxes imposed by your government. You take away taxes to equal ours and our gas prices wouldn't be that different.

I guess you are right ! Still doesn't make petrol any cheaper though

[RA]

do you even know what your talking about?
Like his dad, Junior struck out in Texas and founded an oil company, Arbusto Energy, Inc., with $20,000 of his own money. (Arbusto is the Spanish word for bush.) The company foundered in the early 1980s when oil prices dropped (and his dad was Vice President.)
The 50 investors, who were "mainly friends of my uncle" in Junior's own words, put in $4.7 million and lost most of it. Junior claims that investors "did pretty good," but Bush family friend Russell Reynolds told the Dallas Morning News: "The bottom line was there were problems, and it didn't work out very well. I think we got maybe 20 cents on the dollar."

As Arbusto neared collapse, Spectrum 7 Energy Corporation bought it in September 1984. Despite his poor track record, the owners made Bush, Jr. the president and gave him 13.6% of the parent company's stock.

Spectrum 7 was a small oil firm owned by two staunch Reagan/Bush Sr. supporters -- William DeWitt and Mercer Reynolds. These two were also owners of the Texas Rangers and allowed Bush Jr. to purchase a chunk of the team cheaply; he later sold it for over 24 times what he paid.

Within two years of purchasing Arbusto and making Bush Jr. president, Spectrum 7 was itself in trouble; it lost $400,000 in its last 6 months of operation. That ended in 1986, when Harken Energy Corporation bought Spectrum 7's 180-well operation.

Junior got $227,000 worth of Harken stock, and a lot more. He was named to the board of directors, made $80,000 to $100,000 a year well into the 1990s as a "consultant" to Harken, and was allowed to buy Harken stock at 40% below face value.

He also borrowed $180,375 from Harken at very low rates; the company's 1989 and 1990 SEC filings said it "forgave" $341,000 in loans to unspecified executives.

So what did Junior do for all this money? It's hard to say exactly, but things happened for Harken after Junior came on board:
it got a $25 million stock offering from an unusual bank with CIA ties,
it won a surprise exclusive drilling contract with Bahrain, a small Mideast country, and
an Arab member of its Board of Directors was invited to White House policy meetings with President George Bush and National Security Adviser Brent Scowcroft.

[ChuckLee]

Have to buy a bicycle

[BITTAPART2]

wow, roid you really make very good points and back up your arguments so well.

[goodcents]

I'm leaving this thread, it's getting ugly

[Hollywood080]

omg! I can't believe some of the views on here! Let Obama or Hilary get into office and see if oil prices drop. GW offered a way to decrease gas prices when he tried to get refineries built on decommisioned military bases, but it was denied by the democrat run congress! The price will drop when the demand can be met. How does anyone expect this to happen without more refineries? We can get the oil as cheap as we want but if we can't refine it then the prices will continue to rise!

[Kratos]

it is very simple to make hydrogen.my brother did it in his back yard.[/url]

Making hydrogen is easy enough. Making hydrogen at a net gain of energy, impossible. Think of all the energy you loose to heat when you burn hydrogen, you had to put that energy into the water to get the hydrogen in the first place. Funny that no scientists are able to bend the laws of physics and chemistry at the same time. It's always some asshole working on their car that pulls it off. The applications and implications would span far beyond cars, companies would be throwing money at you if you could produce free energy. Wouldn't you achieve this wonder in the labratory before building a car around it?

[IronReload04]

nevermind

[RA]

Not one of your "conspiracy theory" points negated anything I said. You can go back and reread what I said. All 100% true.

wow, roid you really make very good points and back up your arguments so well.

[pumpd4lif]

Making hydrogen is easy enough. Making hydrogen at a net gain of energy, impossible. Think of all the energy you loose to heat when you burn hydrogen, you had to put that energy into the water to get the hydrogen in the first place. Funny that no scientists are able to bend the laws of physics and chemistry at the same time. It's always some asshole working on their car that pulls it off. The applications and implications would span far beyond cars, companies would be throwing money at you if you could produce free energy. Wouldn't you achieve this wonder in the labratory before building a car around it?

when or were it happens i am not to say,i am just hoping for change cause things arent getting any better in this world

[paulzane]

I don't know what you are all bleeting about ..... it is around 16 cents a litre here. You are all welcome to come and work here with me if you want!

[IronReload04]

in the future, when its determined that we only have a year supply of oil left, will be the point of a "sudden discovery" of an alternate fuel source. and what ever needs to be done, will be done to make this source overly expensive.....


5-10 years of 4-5 dollars a gallon of oil, will make a proportionally similar energy source sound fantastic at 3-4 dollars per unit

[ecivon]

Not one of your "conspiracy theory" points negated anything I said. You can go back and reread what I said. All 100% true.

You miss the whole issue. It isn't because of what price the general public will have to pay for gas, it is about what havoc the price of fuel is having on all sectors of the economy. Bush and all of his administration are fricking idiots.

You think it isn't serious? Along with the effect of his stupid tax policies, the cost of fuel and the insane costs of his wars and hostile diplomacy/foreign relations, that has the dollar in a steep free fall all over the world that has the potential to drive the US into a steep and deep recession and cause massive bankruptcies.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080313/...llar&printer=1


Did anyone catch the pathetic news conference where Bush is asked what he could do to get gas under $4 a gallon and he didn't believe it. He didn't and doesn't have a damned clue -- or care -- on what is going on in America.

[MAJOR25]

looks like DEPRESSION is comming soon....Get ready bruthas....!!!!!!!!!!

[mick-g]

I talked to an older engineer along time ago. He was in his late 80's and he told me he worked for the gov as an independant contractor. He told me that he would get called for projects all over the world. He had a special gov clearance and there were dif levels of higher clearances that even the Pres didn't even know about nor could even get. He would work on projects were each contractor would be working on the same project others were working on, but none knew of what each others task was. He said that they have been working on projects that were 40yrs out and that was like 50yrs ago. It was having to do with hydrogen power and electro-magnetic propulsion. Anyways, he lead me to believe that these technologies have been in use for many yrs now, but the gov doesn't want ppl to know about it and it is very politically driven because of the revenues they make on fossil fuels.

[Kratos]

You miss the whole issue. It isn't because of what price the general public will have to pay for gas, it is about what havoc the price of fuel is having on all sectors of the economy. Bush and all of his administration are fricking idiots.

You think it isn't serious? Along with the effect of his stupid tax policies, the cost of fuel and the insane costs of his wars and hostile diplomacy/foreign relations, that has the dollar in a steep free fall all over the world that has the potential to drive the US into a steep and deep recession and cause massive bankruptcies.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080313/...llar&printer=1


Did anyone catch the pathetic news conference where Bush is asked what he could do to get gas under $4 a gallon and he didn't believe it. He didn't and doesn't have a damned clue -- or care -- on what is going on in America.

The falling U.S. dollar is both good and bad news for the U.S. The bad news is imported goods, like oil, become more expensive for U.S. consumers. The good news is that this decline provides a boost to the corporate earnings of U.S. based multinationals and should benefit U.S. exporting firms as U.S. products will be less expensive in terms of local currencies. Globally, rising gold prices may signal waning investor confidence in global economic conditions. Yeah, 4$ per gallon oil is surely comming, followed by 5$ per gallon oil. I expect by 2015 we will reach peak global output of oil. Has nothing to do with the president, you can put who-ever you want in power and oil prices will keep going up. The world wants the stuff and there is only so much of it. If you want someone to blame for the decreasing value of the dollar you need not look further than the American consumer. Also Europe made a great move with the Euro to take maket share away from the US dollar.

[MAJOR25]

stop buying Suv's, Hummers, Minivans, any big trucks....Stat driving Honda's, Toyota's, etc. We should be like China, (riding bicycles)

[Kratos]

stop buying Suv's, Hummers, Minivans, any big trucks....Stat driving Honda's, Toyota's, etc. We should be like China, (riding bicycles)

Toyota is doubling the size of its V-8 engine plant in Alabama to make 300,000 big V-8s for the huge new pickups to be assembled in Texas. And Toyota already has a lineup of heavy, gas-guzzling trucks and SUVs (Land Cruiser, LX 470, Sequoia, GX 470, 4Runner, made chiefly in Japan). They're just car companies, trying to make a buck by giving customers what they want. That's why Toyota's San Antonio plant will crank out those new Tundra pickups, bigger and heavier than the Tundras they'll replace. They're all battling for customers and dollars, and Toyota is doing it better. The reflexive anti-U.S. bias is based on a fantasy. BMW and Mercedes-Benz simply have paid the fines for failing to meet CAFE and gas-guzzler laws. The U.S. Big 3 always have met those laws, even when they could have earned more profit in flouting them. I drive 50k+ per year for work, a bicycle isn't an option although I race and love bicycles.

[yamaha145]

Sh*t i agree with you, there is no governing body that regulates gas prices, so they can just put up the prices has they wish, and no one makes cash from it except the Illuminati...... i hate it!..

**** the Illuminati.
great ill pri die tonight in my sleep for saying that

[Odpierdol_sie!]

Back to the original question, i think Prices are way way way over priced. its just a tax on the working man again... well in the UK it is anyway. any other guys know they are going to be paying £1.11 for a litre of Diesel and £1.07 for a litre of petrol in October this year?

Assume a person earing the average UK wage (£30 000) travells the UK average annual milage (12 500) in a vehicle that has a combined fuel ecconomy of 30mpg
Each year they will be putting 12.5% of their annual take home income for fueling their vehicle to travel approximately 250 miles per week (extra urban).

note: the above calculation is an estimate and is taking in to account a 20% income tax and the standard rate of National Health Insurace contributions.

Yes the price is going up in the states but its got along way to go to catch up with us...

[jack895]

gas prices suck and a lot of reasons about why they are so high don't make sense

[MAJOR25]

Back to the original question, i think Prices are way way way over priced. its just a tax on the working man again... well in the UK it is anyway. any other guys know they are going to be paying £1.11 for a litre of Diesel and £1.07 for a litre of petrol in October this year?

Assume a person earing the average UK wage (£30 000) travells the UK average annual milage (12 500) in a vehicle that has a combined fuel ecconomy of 30mpg
Each year they will be putting 12.5% of their annual take home income for fueling their vehicle to travel approximately 250 miles per week (extra urban).

note: the above calculation is an estimate and is taking in to account a 20% income tax and the standard rate of National Health Insurace contributions.

Yes the price is going up in the states but its got along way to go to catch up with us...

Friday, March 14, 2008

1 US Dollar = 0.64893 Euro

1 Euro (EUR) = 1.54100 US Dollar (USD


this is the difference....I think... i dont know.