District of Columbia vs. Heller, Supreme Court (AUDIO)

**thegodfather** · 03-26-2008, 08:02 PM

For anyone interested on the current case in the Supreme Court, DC vs. Heller, regarding the 2nd Amendment, the right to keep and bear arms. I'm going to link to the audio of it. I know many members on this forum are firearms owners, and this is the first time in 70 years that the SC has taken up interpreting the 2nd amendment, and the decision in this case could have consequences across the nation. The Washington D.C. handgun ban is being challenged and that is why it's being heard in the SC... Anyone who would like further details on the case can p/m me...

Here is the Audio link: http://www.oyez.org/cases/2000-2009/..._290/argument/

**MuscleScience** · 03-26-2008, 08:07 PM

yeah this should be really interesting how it all turns out.

**goodcents** · 03-27-2008, 08:57 AM

I think we will get fuked as usual, but you never know

**goodcents** · 03-27-2008, 08:58 AM

Or some cop out decision like states have the right to make laws, blah, blah, blah.

**goodcents** · 03-27-2008, 09:00 AM

ps, they don't need handguns in d.c.!

They need armored cars with with machine guns

**soulstealer** · 03-27-2008, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by goodcents

Or some cop out decision like states have the right to make laws, blah, blah, blah.

If you read the constitution as written the states dont have the right to make these laws...

**goodcents** · 03-27-2008, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by soulstealer

If you read the constitution as written the states dont have the right to make these laws...

That never stopped the government

**soulstealer** · 03-27-2008, 09:31 AM

Damit godfather... I'm suppose to be working not sitting here listen to this lol

**MuscleScience** · 03-27-2008, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by soulstealer

If you read the constitution as written the states dont have the right to make these laws...

No the states have the right to make laws, the laws just cant contradict the constitution. State law was orignally intended to be self governing with the constitution as a framework of how the entire nation as a whole was supposed or is suppose to operate. Federal law supercedes state law as it pertains to criminal prosecution. For example california has laws on the books that allows for some medical treatments that federal law prohibits. California's law itself is not being challenge but if the federal government wanted to they could go into California and prosecute those individuals in federal court even thought state law allows it.

So much for the states having power.

**soulstealer** · 03-27-2008, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by MuscleScience

No the states have the right to make laws, the laws just cant contradict the constitution. State law was orignally intended to be self governing with the constitution as a framework of how the entire nation as a whole was supposed or is suppose to operate. Federal law supercedes state law as it pertains to criminal prosecution. For example california has laws on the books that allows for some medical treatments that federal law prohibits. California's law itself is not being challenge but if the federal government wanted to they could go into California and prosecute those individuals in federal court even thought state law allows it.

So much for the states having power.

So let me better understand your disagreement with my statement as it was directed at infringing on ones rights to keep and bear arms as I refer to an individual right you are saying what?

**MuscleScience** · 03-27-2008, 11:08 AM

That the DC law is unconstitutional and that no state law shall go against the mandates of the constitution.

**soulstealer** · 03-27-2008, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by MuscleScience

That the DC law is unconstitutional and that no state law shall go against the mandates of the constitution.

So if you agreed with me why did you start the statement with the word No...

**MuscleScience** · 03-27-2008, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by soulstealer

So if you agreed with me why did you start the statement with the word No...

I thought you were implying that states couldnt make there own regulatory laws. I think now I know what you were saying. My bad hard to read some of the semantics in wording over the boards.

**soulstealer** · 03-27-2008, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by MuscleScience

I thought you were implying that states couldnt make there own regulatory laws. I think now I know what you were saying. My bad hard to read some of the semantics in wording over the boards.

I gotcha its cool... no I was merely relating to their ability to legislatively restrict the right granted to us by the constitution...

**sphincter** · 03-27-2008, 03:32 PM

I think there is a majority of justices on the SC currently are pro gun or that's what I heard when I first heard about this case being taken up...

**thegodfather** · 03-27-2008, 05:53 PM

WEAPONS OF CHOICE
Prosecuted homeowner blasts officials
Man who shot intruder urges lawmakers to 'stick to parade schedules'

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Posted: January 22, 2004
6:00 pm Eastern

© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com

A Chicago-area homeowner prosecuted after shooting an intruder has written a letter urging local officials to stop hindering citizens from protecting their families and "stick to parade schedules and planting our parks."
Hale DeMar, 54, of Wilmette, Ill., wounded a burglar who entered his kitchen Dec. 29, shortly after saying good night to his children upstairs. But DeMar was charged with violating a local ordinance banning possession of handguns.

Police Chief George Carpenter said the outcome "was very fortunate for the homeowner."

"We much prefer, for the safety of the home, that a resident who finds himself in this situation immediately lock the door of the room he's in and dial 911."

In a letter to local officials published by the Chicago Sun-Times, however, DeMar said: "Until you are shocked by a piercing alarm in the middle of the night and met in your kitchen by a masked invader as your children shudder in their beds, until you confront that very real nightmare, please don't suggest that some village trustee knows better and he/she can effectively task the police to protect your family from the miscreants that this society has produced."

Morio Billings, 31, is accused of entering the DeMar home twice within 24 hours. He allegedly crawled through a dog door in the garage then returned the next night with a stolen house key. Prosecutors say Billings crashed through the home's front window after he was shot then drove himself to the hospital in the family's SUV, which he had stolen the night before.

Billings previously had been arrested 30 times, according to DeMar.

DeMar, a restaurant owner, will appear in court Feb. 6 to face misdemeanor charges for violating the handgun ordinance and failing to update his firearms card.

He sent the following letter to the Sun-Times:

Village Trustees ... Stick to Parade Schedules & Planting our Parks
Many of us have experienced a sense of violation upon returning to our homes, only to find that someone else has been there. Someone else has trespassed in our bedrooms, looting and stealing that which is readily replaced. Many of us, still haunted by that violation, will never again have a sense of security in our own homes. Few, however, have awakened to realize that they had been violated as they slept in their beds, doors locked, as family dogs patrolled their homes. For me, the seconds until I found my children still safely tucked in their beds were horrifying. The thought that a young child may have been hurt or abducted was incomprehensible.

The police were called and in routine fashion they came, took the report and with little concern left, promising to increase surveillance. Little comfort, since the invader now had keys to our home and our automobiles. The police informed me that this was not an uncommon event in east Wilmette and offered their condolences.

What is one to do when a criminal proceeds, undeterred by a 90-pound German shepherd, an alarm system and a property ... lit up like an outdoor stadium? And now, he had my house keys and an inventory of things he'd like to call his own. Would the police patrol my dead-end street as effectively the second time as they had the first? Would my small children be unharmed the next time? Would the career criminal be satisfied with another automobile, another television or would he feel the need, once again, to climb the staircase up to the bedrooms, perhaps for a watch or a ring or a wallet, again risking little?

Would my children wake to find a masked figure, clad in black, in their bedroom doorway, a vision that might haunt them for years? Would the police come again and fill out yet another report, and at what point should I feel comfortable that the 'bad guy' got everything he wanted and wouldn't return again, a third time?

I went to the safe where my licensed and registered gun was kept, loaded it for the very first time and tucked it under the mattress of my bed. I assured my frightened children ''that daddy would deal with the bad guy ... if he ever returned.'' Little did I imagine that this brazen animal was waiting in the backyard bushes as I tucked my children into bed.

Fifteen minutes after bedtime, the alarm went off. Three minutes after the alarm was triggered, the alarm company alerted the police to the situation and 10 minutes later the first police car pulled up to my home, but only after another call was made to 911, by a trembling, half-naked father. I suppose some would have grabbed their children and cowered in their bedroom for 13 minutes, praying that the police would get there in time to stop the criminal from climbing the stairs and confronting the family in their bedroom, dreading the sound of a bedroom door being kicked in. That's not the fear I wanted my children to experience, nor is it the cowardly act that I want my children to remember me by.

Until you are shocked by a piercing alarm in the middle of the night and met in your kitchen by a masked invader as your children shudder in their beds, until you confront that very real nightmare, please don't suggest that some village trustee knows better and he/she can effectively task the police to protect your family from the miscreants that this society has produced.

This career criminal had been arrested 30 times. He was wanted in Georgia and for parole violations in Minnesota. How many family homes had he violated, how many innocent lives were affected, how many police reports went into some back office file cabinet, only to become some abstract statistic? How is it that rabid animals like this are free to roam the streets, violating our homes and threatening the safety of our children?

If my actions have spared only one family from the distress and trauma that this habitual criminal has caused hundreds of others, then I have served my civic duty and taken one evil creature off of our streets, something that our impotent criminal justice system had failed to do, despite some thirty odd arrests, plea bargains and suspended sentences.

**MuscleScience** · 03-27-2008, 06:17 PM

Yeah thats pretty f-d up, At least were I live I can shoot anyone that is on my property and with the limitation that I feel that my property, family or personal safety was in danger. Shot gun, r***e or handgun by any means necessary. I also have my C&CL so that I can role in my car with my 40 cal.