In response to the 'animal cruelty' thread. Look here.EXTREMELY graphic

**hauss man** · 05-01-2008, 11:26 PM

that was horrible.

**dupa95** · 05-02-2008, 03:42 AM

Originally Posted by lpicken

I had to stop with the Kosher slaughter. I about to gargle throw up as I type. No way I could ever work in a butcher shop, but I will always eat meat and support those who make their living from animals.

thank you for your support

**nirish_mark20** · 05-02-2008, 03:53 AM

i think the worst part I saw (and only because it was close up) was when the guy was skinning some animal while it was still alive- it then did a close up of this animal with no skin, quivering and blinking, so still in an excrutiating amount of pain and not dead

some people are sick!

**lpicken** · 05-02-2008, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by dupa95

thank you for your support

Cool. I have a few buddies who work in slaughter houses and I have grown up in the country and around farms. Most country types dont have a problem with slaughter because it is way of life, I think it is the city slickers who get their panties in a knot.

**kfrost06** · 05-02-2008, 09:00 AM

I may sound like a politician but I agree with both sides. Unnecessary creulty is wrong and people that get pleasure from torturing animals have a screw loose but I love to wear leather and eat a steak. I personally believe animals are God's gift to us and should be treated with respect but certianly not held up to the level of humans.

**Puffader** · 05-02-2008, 11:46 AM

I would be in Jail if I had access to those people. I kid you not. I would for sure kill anyone who enjoyed torturing animals for pleasure. I don't have any problems nor will I feel any pain to hurt these humans. I would love to join an underground society to hunt down these fvcks. I'm not talking about doctors who use animals for testing or meat companies. It’s the ones that enjoy bringing pain to animals for fun. Kill them all and let me sort there bodies out to be burned of feed back to the animals. I'm ready to give my soul for this purpose!

**Gears** · 05-02-2008, 03:16 PM

How am I supposed to get 300g`s of protien a day without meat? I don`t want to live off of powder.

***Doc.Sust*** · 05-02-2008, 03:34 PM

i am not going to watch it. i dont think i can. there is a lot of harm and terrible things in the world. i am reminded of this every day by the news and current events. when i come here, on this board, i am come to forget the outside world and the tragedies of life. i dont need an extra bad mojo or reminders of how fcked this planet is. i am not going to shut the post down, those who want to watch knock yourselves out, but i wont be one to view it.just reading about it has been enough to ruin my day

**Amorphic** · 05-02-2008, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by Doc.Sust

i am not going to watch it. i dont think i can. there is a lot of harm and terrible things in the world. i am reminded of this every day by the news and current events. when i come here, on this board, i am come to forget the outside world and the tragedies of life. i dont need an extra bad mojo or reminders of how fcked this planet is. i am not going to shut the post down, those who want to watch knock yourselves out, but i wont be one to view it.just reading about it has been enough to ruin my day

its a sad but important reality unfortunately

**sphincter** · 05-02-2008, 04:49 PM

ehhh, I couldn't get main vid to load and so I watched "part 1" on another link related to that vid.. it wasn't what I'd call cool ofr fun but necessary.. yes. we gotta eat. next time you complain about the price of groceries, think about doubling your food bill so the animals you're about to eat can have cushy lives before you eat them.

I have no problem killing, skinning, and eating my own meat. I've done it before and I'll do it again.

I do think animals should be treated with some level of respect, for sure, but not to where it rivals that of people.

**FREAK** · 05-02-2008, 04:58 PM

thats too bad, hard to watch

**dupa95** · 05-02-2008, 05:29 PM

Please Let's not confuse eating meat and torturing animals for gratification. PETA, greenpeace and the naspca. The top of there agenda is to take your right away from you to eat meat. They do it by posting these horific vids from the 50's 60's 70's. They sway your heart then they put it to a vote it happen in my state and it can happen to you.

**Amorphic** · 05-02-2008, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by dupa95

Please Let's not confuse eating meat and torturing animals for gratification. PETA, greenpeace and the naspca. The top of there agenda is to take your right away from you to eat meat. They do it by posting these horific vids from the 50's 60's 70's. They sway your heart then they put it to a vote it happen in my state and it can happen to you.

its pretty obvious from the footage that this documentary is very recent.

dont misunderstand the point im trying to make about this thread. i will continue to eat meat and i wont be stopping.

the issue is with the torture of animals. i have no problem eating meat and i will continue to eat meat, but it makes me sick to see certain individuals or groups that torture animals for their own sadistic ideals.

**dupa95** · 05-02-2008, 05:36 PM

No the footage is not recent. The conditions in the slauter houses do exist. The usda would shut them down. The footage in the documentary is VERY dated.

**xlxBigSexyxlx** · 05-02-2008, 05:40 PM

**inky-e** · 05-02-2008, 07:48 PM

Good thread and video. I must be jaded by life, it didn't sway me in either direction.Sorry can't jump on the bandwagon. I will still throw down with a bbq.

***Doc.Sust*** · 05-02-2008, 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by Amorphic

its a sad but important reality unfortunately

it is sad.and it is important. totally agree. i just cant and dont want to watch it. i would e the first to lobby for rules that would make the process more humane. how hard is it to put a bullet in the head of an animal rather than torture it? it makes no sense.

**Amorphic** · 05-03-2008, 12:26 AM

Originally Posted by Doc.Sust

it is sad.and it is important. totally agree. i just cant and dont want to watch it. i would e the first to lobby for rules that would make the process more humane. how hard is it to put a bullet in the head of an animal rather than torture it? it makes no sense.

exactly.

**dupa95** · 05-03-2008, 03:34 AM

Originally Posted by Doc.Sust

it is sad.and it is important. totally agree. i just cant and dont want to watch it. i would e the first to lobby for rules that would make the process more humane. how hard is it to put a bullet in the head of an animal rather than torture it? it makes no sense.

I will agree kosher slauter is the absoulte worst. But all the other crap they show does not go on. Wake up people this IS 2008.

**Amorphic** · 05-03-2008, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by dupa95

I will agree kosher slauter is the absoulte worst. But all the other crap they show does not go on. Wake up people this IS 2008.

i still have no idea where you get the idea the footage is from the 50s etc.

technology like that didnt even exist in the 50s, not to mention color footage.

look at the clothing the people are wearing etc.

the footage is modern day.

**dupa95** · 05-03-2008, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by Amorphic

i still have no idea where you get the idea the footage is from the 50s etc.

technology like that didnt even exist in the 50s, not to mention color footage.

look at the clothing the people are wearing etc.

the footage is modern day.

Be real the footage is old as dirt, and that crap does not go on. I see that PETA got your vote. They would love a donation from from you. So they can produce another bogus film. Talk as much as you want the film is old as dirt!

***Doc.Sust*** · 05-03-2008, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by dupa95

I will agree kosher slauter is the absoulte worst. But all the other crap they show does not go on. Wake up people this IS 2008.

so wait let me get this straight. kosher slaughter is always done when the animal is still alive? that is so fcked up!!!

**dupa95** · 05-03-2008, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by Doc.Sust

so wait let me get this straight. kosher slaughter is always done when the animal is still alive? that is so fcked up!!!

Ya this is true I have been a butcher for over 20 years And I do not agree with kosher slauter.

**Bojangles69** · 05-03-2008, 05:44 PM

I'm not watching the video because I'm already an avid animal lover, since I don't plan on becoming an animal activist, watching the video will do less for me than not watching it.
Not too long ago I was watching a video of how they push the crates of dogs off the top of trucks down a 2 story drop where they are transported from. You could see the bones breaking in the dogs when they hit the concrete inside the cages.

I said to myself "thats fvcked up", but I'm not going to hop on a plane, fly there, and go kill the m/fkrs like I want to. I'm also not going to waste time trying to change any cultural/political customs or rules because the world has too much shit happening all over, and helping in one area inevitably creates neglect towards another area.

So I'll stay inside my little bubble, eat meat (my brothers a butcher), non-kosher, sure the animals suffer, I don't think its fair, but its a dog eat dog world, and thats a part of life I've chosen to accept.
Even if I don't eat meat, an animal will still die for the next man, and since humans are innately ignorant to an extent (when they need to be) I'll be ignorant too.

But one thing I do know, if I'm standing on a roof next to soldier and he throws a puppy off the roof and starts laughing.. he's following that puppy, and if doesn't die, I'll drag his crippled body back up to the roof and keep throwing him off till he does die.

Or at least thats what I *say I'd do.

**Chitown Raider** · 05-03-2008, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by Kale

couldnt get past the bit where those fvckers were killing a dog in the back of a garbage truck. Its a truly fvcked up world !!!!

Same here, I seen enough. I'd like to toss those bastards in the back of that truck

**scottythebody** · 05-03-2008, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by dupa95

Please Let's not confuse eating meat and torturing animals for gratification. PETA, greenpeace and the naspca. The top of there agenda is to take your right away from you to eat meat. They do it by posting these horific vids from the 50's 60's 70's. They sway your heart then they put it to a vote it happen in my state and it can happen to you.

This is a little off topic but why don't you hear anything from Peta about animal cruelty during horseracing? I just saw something about a horse that had to be euthanized today at the Kentucky derby and that seems like something peta would be all over

**Amorphic** · 05-04-2008, 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by dupa95

Be real the footage is old as dirt, and that crap does not go on. I see that PETA got your vote. They would love a donation from from you. So they can produce another bogus film. Talk as much as you want the film is old as dirt!

i said once before that while i empathize with the torture of animals i am not going to stop eating meat.

im not taking a shot at the meat market, im just highlighting the fact that cruelty takes place and it needs to be seen.

**dupa95** · 05-04-2008, 05:47 AM

Originally Posted by Amorphic

i said once before that while i empathize with the torture of animals i am not going to stop eating meat.

im not taking a shot at the meat market, im just highlighting the fact that cruelty takes place and it needs to be seen.

Not in packing houses Or slauter houses. YOU do not have the fact just a dated video. I been doing this stuff for twenty years. What makes you think you know more than me on what I do for a living. I talk to many pepole in the industry. You only have a dated video. You have a lot of knowlage you do not strike me as a person who belives there fedral government. Some not all of these videos get funding from the government. They are called public service anouncements. Dude you could take dated video uninformed people and make an anti steroid vid. You would get a group of people who would say yup that's all true. This is what PETA has done an they got you hook line and sinker.

**Misery13** · 05-04-2008, 08:55 AM

I won't watch the video because I have many pets in my house...4 dogs...3 cats...2 snakes...and would probally just get mad...my wife and I have rescued many cats and dogs from houses/people who leave them behind...we are also meat eaters too...

**Amorphic** · 05-04-2008, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by dupa95

Not in packing houses Or slauter houses. YOU do not have the fact just a dated video. I been doing this stuff for twenty years. What makes you think you know more than me on what I do for a living. I talk to many pepole in the industry. You only have a dated video. You have a lot of knowlage you do not strike me as a person who belives there fedral government. Some not all of these videos get funding from the government. They are called public service anouncements. Dude you could take dated video uninformed people and make an anti steroid vid. You would get a group of people who would say yup that's all true. This is what PETA has done an they got you hook line and sinker.

i didnt assume i know more than you nor anyone else in the industry. you keep ignoring the fact that i support the meat market and will continue to do so. im not some PETA activist.

You also seem to ignore the violence and torture in the video by justifying that it is old footage. regardless of how old you think it is (and i do not believe any of it is over 10 years old) there are still going to be slaughterhouses that treat animals poorly. they may be in minority but it will still happen.

if it doesnt happen where you work, then thats great, and i am happy to know you and whoever you work with do your jobs ethically.

**xlxBigSexyxlx** · 05-04-2008, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by Amorphic

i didnt assume i know more than you nor anyone else in the industry. you keep ignoring the fact that i support the meat market and will continue to do so. im not some PETA activist.

You also seem to ignore the violence and torture in the video by justifying that it is old footage. regardless of how old you think it is (and i do not believe any of it is over 10 years old) there are still going to be slaughterhouses that treat animals poorly. they may be in minority but it will still happen.

if it doesnt happen where you work, then thats great, and i am happy to know you and whoever you work with do your jobs ethically.

ditto.

and, we must remember, this isn't just all slaughter houses and cattle.
This is pets, big game animals, dolphins, circus,hunting, etc, etc
This is all happening now and it truly is sick

**Amorphic** · 05-04-2008, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by xlxBigSexyxlx

ditto.

and, we must remember, this isn't just all slaughter houses and cattle.
This is pets, big game animals, dolphins, circus,hunting, etc, etc
This is all happening now and it truly is sick

yes good point, i forgot to mention those.

**dupa95** · 05-04-2008, 03:15 PM

I agree with the point a kill should be as quick as posible. My father said this way there soul goes untourchered to heaven. As weird as that sounds. But the point I am more try to make is that these people are blowing the whole thing out of proportion. If that happens and the new story media gets it. The story gets even more juciey. That is just one step closer to taking my right to eat meat away. Anyway a kill should be quick as possible. Yes, but the annimal activist groups just go to the extreme with there crap tactics. Also I personaly would never abuse any animal. I have a hunting dog and I would NEVER raise a hand in anger ever.