England Firearms Ban "SUCCESS" (VIDEO)

**thegodfather** · 06-15-2008, 10:40 PM

We had a very heated debate in the News forum, it was between myself, Blome, Inherit, vs. several bleeding heart Liberal Socialists... They point to how great and successful Englands gun control is, and how outlawing guns and enforcing the prohibition greatly works. Citing that America's gun control is half assed and THATS why it doesnt work. When anyone with a brain who can look at statistics will tell you that gun control NEVER works, no matter how hard its enforced. Well this video shows very interesting statistics about what happened after England banned handguns&other firearms.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGVAQOUi6ec

**thegodfather** · 06-15-2008, 10:44 PM

Everyone PLEASE PLEASE watch this video. It shows a story of TONY MARTIN who shot two intruders breaking into his home, he defended himself with his shotgun, killed one intruder and injured the other. The one intruder who lived got 3 years in prison. Tony Martin, recieved a life sentence, later reduced to manslaughter charges. The court asserted that Tony Martin should have yelled for help instead of shooting the intruders.

**xlxBigSexyxlx** · 06-15-2008, 10:48 PM

Im bout to watch it.

Come to Texas, where we can shoot anybody for just about anything. Its awesome

**thegodfather** · 06-15-2008, 10:54 PM

"A man with a gun is a citizen. A man without a gun is a subject. -- "John R. Lott

**xlxBigSexyxlx** · 06-15-2008, 10:59 PM

just watched it.

Thats ****ed up

Taking away people's right to defend themselves. The only winner is the criminal....

**Billy-the-kid** · 06-15-2008, 11:28 PM

Yes, Godfather!

People need to read "More Guns-Less Crime" by John Lott.

The less educated and those who haven't been threatened with a gun are more supportive of gun control.

Violent crime rates are the highest in states with the most restrictive gun laws.

**Flagg** · 06-16-2008, 01:28 AM

I knew someone would bring this up. That is ONE case, one particularly extraordinary case. If you can find many more like this, that has happened in England, Godfather, please be free to share even more videos with us. As it stood I agreed that man got a way OTT sentence, and as it stood it got recinded down from life to a man slaughter charge. This happened about 5 years ago and I think he's out now.

His sentence reflected the stupid political correct system that exists in our country now. Nothing to do with "punishing a gun toting hero".

**DSM4Life** · 06-16-2008, 04:53 AM

Its hard for me to favor in people have a guns when you live as close to the city as i do. There are 1-2 killings a night which is ridicious. Yeah, yeah i know guns don't kill people, people kill people but i think we (people who live down here) are just so overwhelmed by all the killings we just don't know what to do anymore.

***G-1000*** · 06-16-2008, 05:58 AM

I have no problems giving up my guns.

That is if they can get them from me.

**jsinur7** · 06-16-2008, 07:04 AM

if your a criminal, the law aint gonna stop you from owning a gun regardless, only thing the law does is leave the law abiding citizens unableto defend themselves against said criminals...

**thegodfather** · 06-16-2008, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by DSM4Life

Its hard for me to favor in people have a guns when you live as close to the city as i do. There are 1-2 killings a night which is ridicious. Yeah, yeah i know guns don't kill people, people kill people but i think we (people who live down here) are just so overwhelmed by all the killings we just don't know what to do anymore.

DSM, I am in Philly EVERY SINGLE DAY! I cannot believe that you are against citizens arming themselves? The 1-2 killings a day are committed by CRIMINALS! None of the guns they are using are registered legal firearms posessed by law abiding upstanding citizens. They are perpetrated by criminals who break the law regularly and live a life of crime. I think you should ENCOURAGE citizens in Philadelphia to exercise their god given RIGHT to coneal&carry a firearm to defend themselves against these criminals in our city. Why do you want to enable the criminals and make their lives easier by making all of us citizens easy prey? You may not think of it in these terms, but everytime that you support a Socialist liberal policy like that it enblazens some whack job politician to think that thats what his constituency wants so they start voting for anti-gun legislation. Only a liberal could blame problems like 1-2 killings a day on an inaniment object.

**thegodfather** · 06-16-2008, 11:29 AM

"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient and the world will follow our lead into the future!"

Adolf Hitler 1935

**Flagg** · 06-16-2008, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by thegodfather

"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient and the world will follow our lead into the future!"

Adolf Hitler 1935

Yes because everything Hitler said was going to build a better world, right?

***G-1000*** · 06-16-2008, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by thegodfather

"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient and the world will follow our lead into the future!"

Adolf Hitler 1935

You know i really respect you.

But this is not going to help your augment.

I do agree as stated above a criminal is a criminal with or with out a gun. If it's not a guy they use to kill it will be a knife stick brick or something.

Guns are easy to point at to be the problem. Look at the people using them. They are out of control (Cops).

**SMCengineer** · 06-16-2008, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Flagg

Yes because everything Hitler said was going to build a better world, right?

I believe that's the point he's trying to make. Hitler was pro-gun control.

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their downfall by so doing."
-Adolph Hitler

**bmg** · 06-16-2008, 01:44 PM

what the hell is wrong citizens possessing weapons ... my state has a conceal carry law and i wouldnt have it any other way.

**thegodfather** · 06-16-2008, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by Gsxxr

You know i really respect you.

But this is not going to help your augment.

I do agree as stated above a criminal is a criminal with or with out a gun. If it's not a guy they use to kill it will be a knife stick brick or something.

Guns are easy to point at to be the problem. Look at the people using them. They are out of control (Cops).

I was making a Libertarian pro 2nd Amendment argument against even having to register guns or get a permit to buy them. Having to obtain a permit implies that you need "permission" to exercise a RIGHT. I dont know of any other circumstance where a person needs a permit in order to exercise a right.

**Nicotine** · 06-16-2008, 02:57 PM

they are doing that shit in canada.

thing is, it's not the registered owners that's the problem. it's the flow of guns from the USA that are illegal in thugs hands that are the problem.

i say give everyone a gun. who will talk shit to each other after that? who would do a crime knowing everyone was packing!

***G-1000*** · 06-16-2008, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by thegodfather

I was making a Libertarian pro 2nd Amendment argument against even having to register guns or get a permit to buy them. Having to obtain a permit implies that you need "permission" to exercise a RIGHT. I dont know of any other circumstance where a person needs a permit in order to exercise a right.

To drive a car.

**bmg** · 06-16-2008, 04:23 PM

i dont mean to get into the middle of this, but i dont think its a right to drive... that falls under the privilege category.

***G-1000*** · 06-16-2008, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by bmg

i dont mean to get into the middle of this, but i dont think its a right to drive... that falls under the privilege category.

No that is what they tell you.

Did you need to licence to ride a horse in the 1800's. (NO)

**bmg** · 06-16-2008, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by Gsxxr

No that is what they tell you.

Did you need to licence to ride a horse in the 1800's. (NO)

"they"... do you hear voices?... what do they say? lol

besides... i dont think horse crashes or maintaining horse trails was ever an issue.

***G-1000*** · 06-16-2008, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by bmg

"they"... do you hear voices?... what do they say? lol

besides... i dont think horse crashes or maintaining horse trails was ever an issue.

Ok so did they have insurance on the horse??? For when they kicked or bit someone or broke a leg...

Also they did have to maintain the town streets. There was all was people cleaning up after the horses.

Driver license did not come into play till all most 15 years after automotive production.

***G-1000*** · 06-16-2008, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by bmg

"they"... do you hear voices?... what do they say? lol

besides... i dont think horse crashes or maintaining horse trails was ever an issue.

Sometimes but my shrink said that was normal. But we was concerned about the dog telling me to kill.

**bmg** · 06-16-2008, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by Gsxxr

Sometimes but my shrink said that was normal. But we was concerned about the dog telling me to kill.

lmao... yeah, dont kill... its not nice.

**thegodfather** · 06-16-2008, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by Flagg

I knew someone would bring this up. That is ONE case, one particularly extraordinary case. If you can find many more like this, that has happened in England, Godfather, please be free to share even more videos with us. As it stood I agreed that man got a way OTT sentence, and as it stood it got recinded down from life to a man slaughter charge. This happened about 5 years ago and I think he's out now.

His sentence reflected the stupid political correct system that exists in our country now. Nothing to do with "punishing a gun toting hero".

I was more interested in the fact that violent crime rose 40% after the ban was instituted.

**Billy-the-kid** · 06-16-2008, 09:09 PM

The truth is that liberalism kills. Liberal politicians, actors, and activists are screwing up the U.S.A. by trying to keep us safe by taking away our guns.

They pass laws making it illegal for anyone (except a cop) to have a gun on campus. What they have created are "death zones". Columbine and Virginia Tech are perfect examples where the killing stops when the suspect kills himself.

People, you can't rely on the Government to protect you. You can only rely on yourself. Take a "CCW" class & get a gun.

Famous Quote: a government that fears arms in the hands of it's people should also fear the rope! Nathan Bedford Forrest.

**BgMc31** · 06-16-2008, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by Billy-the-kid

The truth is that liberalism kills. Liberal politicians, actors, and activists are screwing up the U.S.A. by trying to keep us safe by taking away our guns.

They pass laws making it illegal for anyone (except a cop) to have a gun on campus. What they have created are "death zones". Columbine and Virginia Tech are perfect examples where the killing stops when the suspect kills himself.

People, you can't rely on the Government to protect you. You can only rely on yourself. Take a "CCW" class & get a gun.

Famous Quote: a government that fears arms in the hands of it's people should also fear the rope! Nathan Bedford Forrest.

Great 'famous quote' by the founder of the Ku Klux Klan...

**Billy-the-kid** · 06-16-2008, 11:03 PM

If you want to attack a man who has been dead for over 130 years, be my guest.

However, your silence is deafening when it comes to the true meaning of the quote, the issue of gun control, and the deadly effects of such.

**Flagg** · 06-17-2008, 02:50 AM

It's amazing what you can learn in two days, after debating the issue with a coupla friends.

I don't think it's guns persay I have a problem with, it's lawlessness. Lawlessness is running rampant in the UK, with feral teenage youths attacking people and in a lot of cases now, killing them. What im interested in, is if you took away peoples rights to bare arms in America, would there still be lawlessness? Would people still kill each other with other means? It seems a shame when the last line of defence for the common man is himself when it's supposed to be the military and the policeforce.

Someone asked me on here, would I take a bat to a gunfight. Well I wouldn't go to a gunfight in the first place. I do think though, if you're being held up at gunpoint for your wallet, you have a far greater chance of living then if you suddenly pull a gun on him. In that sceanrio, you either shoot him, or he shoots you. 50/50.

In the UK, i put lawlessness down to the ridiculous politically correct system in this country now. We can't discipline anyone now. We have more surveilance cameras in London than anywhere else in the world, and still crime is occuring.