other peoples kids

[wascaptain5214]

i was cut a deal to get paid for coaching( been doing it free for 2 years), i just had to teach a group of "special" 7th graders for an hour and a half, then coach what ever sport thats in season. i got the boys in check, no problem, i just high knee them until they settle down. its the girls....the smart mouths they got, it makes you want to slap the sassy out of them. the only good thing, i can see, is that these "special" kids are out of the regular class rooms, so the kids who want to learn can.

[Gears]

Are they really special, or just poorly behaved?

[wascaptain5214]

disipline problems and most have personality disorders.....not disabled types

[Gears]

Man, sucks you have to deal with the outcome of bad parenting.

[Hitman]

Man, sucks you have to deal with the outcome of bad parenting.

He didnt say bad parenting he merely said " disipline problems and most have personality disorders.....not disabled types "

My 2 boys sound very similar, one has ADD and the other has ADD, ADHD (yeah theres a difference) ODD and asperges syndrome. And ill infomed and ignorant people blame it on bad parenting, especially the schools.wascaptain5214 Not partically saying this is the case for all "your" kids just merely a thought.

wascaptain5214 I credit you for taking the time with these kids, I as a parent of these type of kids find it hard but cant just walk away from my obligations but as an outsider looking in you have choose to lend a hand on behalf of society. So i commend you.

[Gears]

He didnt say bad parenting he merely said " disipline problems and most have personality disorders.....not disabled types "

My 2 boys sound very similar, one has ADD and the other has ADD, ADHD (yeah theres a difference) ODD and asperges syndrome. And ill infomed and ignorant people blame it on bad parenting, especially the schools.wascaptain5214 Not partically saying this is the case for all "your" kids just merely a thought.

wascaptain5214 I credit you for taking the time with these kids, I as a parent of these type of kids find it hard but cant just walk away from my obligations but as an outsider looking in you have choose to lend a hand on behalf of society. So i commend you.

Where do you get off implying im ignorant? I just find it funny that most personality disorders are enviormentally caused and he has no problems keeping the boys in line which are ironically easier to disipline.

ADD/ADHD does cause impulse, but its only a small percent of the worlds population, and is often misdiagnosed. Even so, I think its on the same level as roid rage . Yeah, it may increase agression, but the feeling is still controllable. In most cases there is just no excuse for that kind of behavior.

[JiGGaMaN]

He didnt say bad parenting he merely said " disipline problems and most have personality disorders.....not disabled types "

My 2 boys sound very similar, one has ADD and the other has ADD, ADHD (yeah theres a difference) ODD and asperges syndrome. And ill infomed and ignorant people blame it on bad parenting, especially the schools.wascaptain5214 Not partically saying this is the case for all "your" kids just merely a thought.

wascaptain5214 I credit you for taking the time with these kids, I as a parent of these type of kids find it hard but cant just walk away from my obligations but as an outsider looking in you have choose to lend a hand on behalf of society. So i commend you.

Unfortunately there is no empirical evidence to suggest such a disorder exists. Its one of the few 'disorders' that is diagnosed by a series of questions (that practically every respondant would be deemed ADD/ADHD).

[Red Ketchup]

Good job Captn!

As you probably know, I've been a boy scout leader here in Canada for... well... forever... and scouting is coed here so I got girls in my troop. My kids are 6, 7 and 8th graders and half of them are "medicated".

Don't worry about the "special" girls having sassy mouth, I find nowadays almost all girls in that age range to have untolerable lip. Seems it's "in" for young girls to be bitchy... you would not believe the things I heard some of them say to their parents.

Personally I do not tolerate it.

Up to now, my strongest tool against that kind of behaviour has been peer pressure.

- First offence I punish the offender
- Second offence I punish the offender and the whole group
- Third offence, I punish the whole group, but not the offender... they get to watch, or count push-ups while the others are doing them... (you wanna see peer pressure at work?)
- Fourth offence... there is not usually a fourth offence, and if so they are sent home.

Puishment is usually silly simple things like running laps, push-ups, "time out", cleaning toilets/trash cans, missing a favorite activity...

Am I using "old style" methods? Yup... do they work? Yup. Are they "understanding and politically correct"? Nope...

Red

[inky-e]

Well the only thing I can offer is.....WATCH YOUR BACK!!!!

[Skully44420]

good for you man...i bet it feels good to help out like that...and yes girls are always gonna be more of smart asses and have an attitude lol

[Hitman]

Unfortunately there is no empirical evidence to suggest such a disorder exists. Its one of the few 'disorders' that is diagnosed by a series of questions (that practically every respondant would be deemed ADD/ADHD).

Not true. There are many different ways to diagnose and many criteria that must be met before being labeled ADD or ADHD , more so than a simple question answer test. below is just one study that was very similar to how my boys were treated, ie they were monitored many times over a 12 month period , under the age of 6 and were found not to portray "normal" or appropriate behaviour given there age or situations. Anyway not to thread steal but heres some info.

http://www.healthline.com/adamconten...disorder-adhd?

Definition

ADHD is a problem with inattentiveness, over-activity, impulsivity, or a combination. For these problems to be diagnosed as ADHD, they must be out of the normal range for the child's age and development.



Alternative Names
ADD; ADHD; Childhood hyperkinesis


Causes, incidence, and risk factors

ADHD affects school performance and interpersonal relationships. Parents of children with ADHD are often exhausted and frustrated.

Neuroimaging studies suggest that the brains of children with ADHD are different from those of other children. These children handle neurotransmitters (including dopamine, serotonin, and adrenalin) differently from their peers.

ADHD is often genetic. Whatever the specific cause may be, it seems to be set in motion early in life as the brain is developing.

Depression, sleep deprivation, learning disabilities, tic disorders, and behavior problems may be confused with, or appear along with, ADHD. Every child suspected of having ADHD deserves a careful evaluation to sort out exactly what is contributing to the behaviors causing concern.

Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD) is the most commonly diagnosed behavioral disorder of childhood, affecting an estimated 3 - 5% of school aged children. It is diagnosed much more often in boys than in girls.

Most children with ADHD also have at least one other developmental or behavioral problem.



Symptoms

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM-IV) divides the symptoms of ADHD into those of inattentiveness and those of hyperactivity and impulsivity.

To be diagnosed with ADHD, children should have at least 6 attention symptoms or 6 activity and impulsivity symptoms -- to a degree beyond what would be expected for children their age.

The symptoms must be present for at least 6 months, observable in 2 or more settings, and not caused by another problem. The symptoms must be severe enough to cause significant difficulties. Some symptoms must be present before age 7.

Older children have ADHD in partial remission when they still have symptoms but no longer meet the full definition of the disorder.

Some children with ADHD primarily have the Inattentive Type, some the Hyperactive-Impulsive Type, and some the Combined Type. Those with the Inattentive type are less disruptive and are easier to miss being diagnosed with ADHD.

Inattention symptoms:

Fails to give close attention to details or makes careless mistakes in schoolwork
Difficulty sustaining attention in tasks or play
Does not seem to listen when spoken to directly
Does not follow through on instructions and fails to finish schoolwork, chores, or duties in the workplace
Difficulty organizing tasks and activities
Avoids or dislikes tasks that require sustained mental effort (such as schoolwork)
Often loses toys, assignments, pencils, books, or tools needed for tasks or activities
Easily distracted
Often forgetful in daily activities
Hyperactivity symptoms:

Fidgets with hands or feet or squirms in seat
Leaves seat when remaining seated is expected
Runs about or climbs in inappropriate situations
Difficulty playing quietly
Often "on the go," acts as if "driven by a motor," talks excessively
Impulsivity symptoms:

Blurts out answers before questions have been completed
Difficulty awaiting turn
Interrupts or intrudes on others (butts into conversations or games)


Signs and tests

Too often, difficult children are incorrectly labeled with ADHD. On the other hand, many children who do have ADHD remain undiagnosed. In either case, related learning disabilities or mood problems are often missed. The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) has issued guidelines to bring more clarity to this issue.

The diagnosis is based on very specific symptoms, which must be present in more than one setting. The child should have a clinical evaluation if ADHD is suspected.

Evaluation may include:

Parent and teacher questionnaires (Connors, Burks)
Psychological evaluation of the child AND family including IQ testing and psychological testing
Complete developmental, mental, nutritional, physical, and psychosocial examination