Trouble for the republicans

[stallion_1]

Hey fellas, read this article, im sad to say that if this gets outta hand, this may cause mccain the white house. i think he screwed up on his vip choice.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8...137/486/580223

[Voice of Reason]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGtWssdauME

[Coop77]

If it gets bad she can withdraw and McCain can pick someone else

[Amorphic]

Hey fellas, read this article, im sad to say that if this gets outta hand, this may cause mccain the white house. i think he screwed up on his vip choice.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8...137/486/580223

[Voice of Reason]

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[xero]

If it gets bad she can withdraw and McCain can pick someone else

Wont be that easy for him. This will impact his crediblity in terms of his key decision making ability.

Even if she is squeaky clean, his decision to nominate her has already left a lot of supporters wondering whether he is playing with a full deck.

[KatsMeow]

She still stands by the fact that Trig is her son and it can't be her daughters because Bristol is 5 months pregnant now.

[DeputyLoneWolf]

She still stands by the fact that Trig is her son and it can't be her daughters because Bristol is 5 months pregnant now.

Yes I did some checking and its just a huge untrue smear that someone put a lot of effort into.

[JiGGaMaN]

We'll if this is true, it can't be kept secret forever. Although I'd bang the shit outa her daughter, I dont think the daughter had the baby.

[Pooks]

She's a woman, duh.. drama and woman are like Shit n piss.

[CanonMan]

lol, The DailyKos is an extreme left-wing site that's been know to put out stuff like this. It's nothing but a smear.

[Nitro29]

lol, The DailyKos is an extreme left-wing site that's been know to put out stuff like this. It's nothing but a smear.

+1

Pathetic.

[VWbug66]

mccain should have a senior moment any day now...and i'ma laugh when it happens on camera

[Carlos_E]

lol, The DailyKos is an extreme left-wing site that's been know to put out stuff like this. It's nothing but a smear.

The following isn't a smear.

The Palin Meltdown in Slo-Mo
By Greg Sargent - September 1, 2008, 6:20PM

On the same day that the Republicans were forced to dramatically cut back their convention activities, the Palin Meltdown unfolded with extraordinary speed. It's worth pondering the totality of what happened today, in a mere half day...

* The news that Palin once backed the Bridge to Nowhere went national.

* It emerged that Palin has links to the bizarro Alaska Independence Party, which harbors the goal of seceding from the union that McCain and Palin seek to lead.

* The news broke that as governor, Palin relied on an earmark system she now opposes. Taken along with the Bridge to Nowhere stuff, this threatens to undercut her reformist image, something that was key to her selection as McCain's Veep candidate.

* The news broke that Palin's 17-year-old daughter became pregnant out of wedlock at a time when the conservative base had finally started rallying behind McCain's candidacy.

* Barely moments after McCain advisers put out word that McCain had known of Bristol Palin's pregnancy, the Anchorage Daily News revealed that Palin's own spokesperson hadn't known about it only two days ago.

* A senior McCain adviser at the Republican convention was forced into the rather embarrassing position of arguing that McCain had known about the pregnancy "last week" -- without saying what day last week he knew about it.

* It came out that Republican lawyers are up in Alaska vetting Palin -- now, more than 72 hours after it was announced that she'd been picked.

* Palin lawyered up in relation to the trooper-gate probe in Alaska -- a move that ensures far more serious attention to the story from the major news orgs.

[CanonMan]

The following isn't a smear.

The Palin Meltdown in Slo-Mo
By Greg Sargent - September 1, 2008, 6:20PM

On the same day that the Republicans were forced to dramatically cut back their convention activities, the Palin Meltdown unfolded with extraordinary speed. It's worth pondering the totality of what happened today, in a mere half day...

* The news that Palin once backed the Bridge to Nowhere went national.

* It emerged that Palin has links to the bizarro Alaska Independence Party, which harbors the goal of seceding from the union that McCain and Palin seek to lead.

* The news broke that as governor, Palin relied on an earmark system she now opposes. Taken along with the Bridge to Nowhere stuff, this threatens to undercut her reformist image, something that was key to her selection as McCain's Veep candidate.

* The news broke that Palin's 17-year-old daughter became pregnant out of wedlock at a time when the conservative base had finally started rallying behind McCain's candidacy.

* Barely moments after McCain advisers put out word that McCain had known of Bristol Palin's pregnancy, the Anchorage Daily News revealed that Palin's own spokesperson hadn't known about it only two days ago.

* A senior McCain adviser at the Republican convention was forced into the rather embarrassing position of arguing that McCain had known about the pregnancy "last week" -- without saying what day last week he knew about it.

* It came out that Republican lawyers are up in Alaska vetting Palin -- now, more than 72 hours after it was announced that she'd been picked.

* Palin lawyered up in relation to the trooper-gate probe in Alaska -- a move that ensures far more serious attention to the story from the major news orgs.

And to think all that is nothing compared to Obama's ties to William Aires, Rev. Wright, and Tony Rezko.

She flip flopped on a bridge and an earmark system while Obama has flip flopped on oil drilling and numerous times on the Iraq war, which are issues to the whole country. The rest of the things are about her pregnant daughter, which is not even an issue that has anything to do with the American people.

[Carlos_E]

TPM Election Central adds a few more bits like the fact that Palin "relied on an earmark system she now opposes", as well as supporting the Bridge to Nowhere before the funding was cut. Which, of course, means that when she said "I told Congress, 'Thanks, but no thanks,' on that bridge to nowhere," she wasn't exactly telling the truth.

And besides all that, she was a Director of Ted Stevens' 527 corporation, and hired his former chief of staff as a lobbyist for Wasilla. (Question: why does such a small town need a lobbyist? "Of 149 incorporated places in Alaska, just six of them had paid registered lobbyists in 2002, including Wasilla, lobbying records show.")

Of these stories, Palin's past membership in the Alaskan Independence Party seems the most damaging to me. The Party's Introduction page has this quote from its founder:

"I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions."
Its goal has its own separate page:

"The Alaskan Independence Party's goal is the vote we were entitled to in 1958, one choice from among the following four alternatives:
1) Remain a Territory.
2) Become a separate and Independent Nation.
3) Accept Commonwealth status.
4) Become a State.

The call for this vote is in furtherance of the dream of the Alaskan Independence Party's founding father, Joe Vogler, that Alaskans achieve independence under a minimal government, fully responsive to the people, and promoting a peaceful and lawful means of resolving differences."

Here's its platform, and here are its statements on issues. Among its positions are the reclamation of all federal land through homesteading, the abolition of all property taxes, the prohibition of all bureaucratic regulations not expressly passed by the legislature, "the right of jurors to judge the law as well as the facts," and a host of other things. But their main goal is the vote on independence mentioned above, which should be "a true plebecite according to international law, only legal Alaskan citizens, it is in the language of the people, federal military and their dependants are not legal citizens and will not be allowed to vote in this plebescite." (So much for the right of military personnel to register to vote where they live, like the rest of us. Although since they don't spell out who counts as a "legal Alaskan citizen", maybe the rest of us wouldn't have the right to vote in the plebiscite either.)

On the Party's website, there's an article by Joe Vogler explaining what he thinks was wrong with the original vote by which Alaskans chose statehood. I got about halfway through it and became unable to read carefully (it's long, and not well-written.) If anyone makes it through, please feel free to correct the provisional opinion that follows. That said: as far as I can tell, this is one of those articles that voluble cranks write when they encounter something that sets them off. Documents are adduced, footnotes proliferate, there is every appearance of monstrous erudition, and yet the whole thing makes no sense. Reading it reminded me of the time I was at a survivalist convention (don't even ask), and someone tried to explain to me, in excruciating detail, why the entire income tax was illegitimate.

This is a nutty organization. It is, moreover, an organization whose founder took his views, and the Party's, to imply that he was not an American.

The McCain campaign has been more than willing to question Obama's patriotism on the basis of nothing at all. Yet when asked about Sarah Palin's past membership in a secessionist party, "a McCain spokesperson did not respond to a request for comment."

[Nitro29]

The McCain campaign has been more than willing to question Obama's patriotism on the basis of nothing at all. "

Nothing at all? I think canonman already pointed out just a few of the reasons Obama's judgement and patriotism should be questioned. So, how about his 20 yr relationship with Rev Wright? Or that nut Phleger? Or worst of all William Aires? Scary stuff.

THERE ARE PLENTY OF REASONS TO QUESTION OBAMA.

[CanonMan]

The McCain campaign has been more than willing to question Obama's patriotism on the basis of nothing at all.

His associations are plenty to question his patriotism... then there's the flag pin thing (which isn't THAT big of a deal but you'd think he'd just wear it instead of being openly against it), and the hand over the heart/pledge of allegiance thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmHtGQq-z_Y

[bigt10]

hey instead of me reading this whole squawk box over little technicalities and cheap shots how about some real matters of substance.

What is going to happen to balance the budget
What is going to happen to put the trade account back to a surplus
What is going to be done to stop inflation and restore value to the dollar
What is going to be done about the unconstitutional income tax and the patriot act for starters
What is the deal with NAU (north american union) and the NAU highway
What is going to be done to stop illegal immigration
What is going to be done to protect our own soil rathering than invading others
Why do we borrow billions daily to fund the empire
Why is there still troops all over the world
Why are we getting into other countries business (georgia and russia)
Why are we the world ethics police
Why are we expanding military bases in countries like poland
Why are third parties like the United Nations and the WTO controlling and influencing us?

OH HERE IS A BIGGIE, CAN SOMEONE ASK OBAMA OR MCCAIN HOW THEY PLAN TO REDUCE TAXES, INCREASE SPENDING, INCREASE WELFARE, AND INCREASE WARFARE. ALL AT THE SAME TIME??????

Do these basic and simple questions such as how can we pay for this EVER SEEM TO REGISTER WITH SOME INDIVIDUALS ANYMORE
?
Anyone with a brain knows that wealth is not created by a printing press, and that both of these tyrants are going to use inflation to pay for this in an attempt to provide both guns and butter, the results will be horrific and they will hurt the people they intended to help.
Finally the most important ones are how are we going to balance the budget, how are we going to restore value to the dollar and stop inflation (rain in the federal reserve)

I am so sick about hearing this sqwuak box between everyone and the 2 parties.

Its like a game of kicking sand in the other guys face. Its a populairty contest. They are there to win votes not to be president.

Neither of these goofballs are qualified and neither are willing to follow the Constitution.

Will they ever talk about matters of substance or is this why so many and myself just dont give 2 cents about politics anymore.