Gay Marriage: support or oppose?

[Ernst]

We have a vote coming up on this issue soon in CA. Just thought I'd hear what your opinions are. While I am not gay, I personally don't think the government has any place in making this decision for people, and I will vote to allow it. Churches can make their own rules. Just my two cents. Care to weigh in?

[scibble]

We have a vote coming up on this issue soon in CA. Just thought I'd hear what your opinions are. While I am not gay, I personally don't think the government has any place in making this decision for people, and I will vote to allow it. Churches can make their own rules. Just my two cents. Care to weigh in?

i support gay rights bur think the government does HAS to be involved because of all the civil/legal repurcussions associated with the union.

i also think the issue is too complex to have just three choices as above. i also don't feel comfortable expressing all of these views openly; it would be better to have the ballot stay secret imo. i am not afraid to express or insecure about my views, but i do care about people taking things the wrong way and getting upset.

but i also think a thread like this is a recipe for disaster just as the threads about racial issues have exploded in flames; there will be people who come on and spoil it.

[Skully44420]

i say it's their decision. if it makes them happy then so be it. i personally have no problem with gays and actually have family that is homosexual. but i bet you i know on person that will come in here and have a problem with talking about it and expressing opinions.....

[Coop77]

I'll be voting NO on prop 8 (the proposed ban).
I seriously don't understand why this is even an issue. Two gays getting married doesn't do any harm to anybody.

[gixxerboy1]

i support gay rights bur think the government does HAS to be involved because of all the civil/legal repurcussions associated with the union.

i also think the issue is too complex to have just three choices as above. i also don't feel comfortable expressing all of these views openly; it would be better to have the ballot stay secret imo. i am not afraid to express or insecure about my views, but i do care about people taking things the wrong way and getting upset.

but i also think a thread like this is a recipe for disaster just as the threads about racial issues have exploded in flames; there will be people who come on and spoil it.

I dont see what we have to protected from. Everyone deserves the same rights gay or not. That should be the end of the story. If people have personal or moral problems they are for them to deal with. I dnt think we need to protect society from anything.

[gst528i]

I SAY why can't the gay people have a chance to be in the misery of marriage if everyone else is allowed. Everyone should suffer the married way of life that nature never intended for us.

[KatsMeow]

I absolutely support it, they have the right to do whatever it is they want to. It doesn't bother me any.

[warchild]

do what makes you happy, i am for it

[redz]

Mariage is simply the definition of Man and a Woman being together "forever"(supposidly atleast), when its 2 the same sex they should get the same rights but call it civil unions

[gixxerboy1]

Mariage is simply the definition of Man and a Woman being together "forever"(supposidly atleast), when its 2 the same sex they should get the same rights but call it civil unions

why does it matter what they call it? Definitions have changed for alot of things over the years. Having it called marriage doesnt change what me and my wife have

[SWOLLL]

I figure they're intitled to live in the same hell I do

[redz]

It is not the same thing thus should be defined differently but they should have equal rights.

[Amorphic]

couldnt care less personally.

[novastepp]

sadly people take the issue out of context and relate it to other issues. this is why there continues to be a problem with it in the political scene.

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

I absolutely support it, they have the right to do whatever it is they want to. It doesn't bother me any.

ditto.

[FallenWyvern]

No problems with gay marriage. It has to be fair for everyone.

I do have a problem with government getting involved with religion. The WORD marriage has very specific legal benefits/liabilities. For thousands of years, marriage has been a religious event. It is still a religious event today for many Americans.

You don't need a bar mitzvah license or a baptism license, so why do you need a marriage license?

I don't think that the WORD marriage should have any legal meaning because it is a religious event.

As far a I am concerned, churches get to decide if people can get married. Some churches have been marrying gay people for quite some time. Not sure how the government gets to override god for those people.

[BuffThaStuff]

it's their life not mine or yours so who gives a f**k. as long as no ones getting hurt (physically) why should people care

[daem]

I work with several gay people who are now in marriages.

Seeing how important it was to THEM challenged my position on the issue...They shouldn't be discriminated against.

Everyone should be entitled to whatever choices they want to make unless they infringe upon the liberty or endanger others.

[CeeLo]

I know that I am going to offend someone, but I will be the first to step up and go against the grain.

I think it sends the wrong message to kids and I think that it is in-humane. I think that it should be Adam and Eve and Not Adam and Adam or Eve and Eve. Just doesn't make sense to me how that stuff could be pleasurable.

I would not want my kids to see 2 guys loving up on each other in public.

[gixxerboy1]

I know that I am going to offend someone, but I will be the first to step up and go against the grain.

I think it sends the wrong message to kids and I think that it is in-humane. I think that it should be Adam and Eve and Not Adam and Adam or Eve and Eve. Just doesn't make sense to me how that stuff could be pleasurable.

I would not want my kids to see 2 guys loving up on each other in public.

there is nothing wrong with having a different opinion. but have a reason for it. adam and eve or steve in not a reason. Its a lame saying.

about what is pleasurable. first what does it matter? There are plenty of shit straight people do that doesn't seem pleasurable to me. And im sure a bj probably feels the same no matter what sex is giving it.

About not wanting your kids to see it. Again there are lots of things i wouldnt want my kids to see be again what does that matter. also if 2 gays are kissing your kids are going to be less damaged seeing it if the guys aren't married? Make no sense to me.

[Kratos]

I support gayness among men only, I want to live in a world where every guy is gay but me.

[scibble]

I dont see what we have to protected from. Everyone deserves the same rights gay or not. That should be the end of the story. If people have personal or moral problems they are for them to deal with. I dnt think we need to protect society from anything.

i didn't say anything about society needing protection.

and let's not turn this into an argument against MY opinions; which is exactly why i am not getting any deeper into my opinions; i didn't even post anything against gays but here someone's jumping on me already

[scibble]

there is nothing wrong with having a different opinion. but have a reason for it. adam and eve or steve in not a reason. Its a lame saying.

about what is pleasurable. first what does it matter? There are plenty of shit straight people do that doesn't seem pleasurable to me. And im sure a bj probably feels the same no matter what sex is giving it.

About not wanting your kids to see it. Again there are lots of things i wouldnt want my kids to see be again what does that matter. also if 2 gays are kissing your kids are going to be less damaged seeing it if the guys aren't married? Make no sense to me.

i dont understand why you feel you have to stand up to everyone's opinion here. let people voice their opinions, which is what this thread is for, or is it just a means of getting as many people as possible to agree with you and to bash everyone who doesn't tow the line? my mind is still free thank you.

[40plusnewbie]

I'm not takin the time to read this thread but I voted 'support gay marraige'. IMO government has NO BUSINESS whasoever in who is or is not married ore regognized as so. If the catholic church as a private organization doesn't want to marry Gay people i think that is their right. But if any other curch or organizaition DOES want ot marry them then i think THAT IS THEIR RIGHT. I think it's none of governments business.

Even if your against gay marriage, why do you think you have the right to try to stop it? My motto is live and let live. Are these people coming into your home and giving your children lectures on the benefits of gay marraige when your not home?

Bottom line, even for the religious right, gay marriage is GOOD for our nation. It promotes stability and the reduction of aids and an increase in mutual committments between adults (gay pple please add here I fully admit I am fairly niave when it comes to this stuff).

If you want to be against gay marriage i fully support that. What I say is join an orgainization/church that doesnt' allow it and then don't hold any gay marriage seriomonies.

But what makes you think you have the right to interfere withe the private actions of individuals in a supposedly free nation? If their church or public organizaiton wants to marry them I support your right to disapprove if you choose. But I completely oppose your attempts to intefere with the process just like i oppose with full force any efforts anyone makes to tryt ot forcibly interfere with MY marriage or MY family.

People need to mind their own business. Government is not (IMO) established to interfere in the private dealings of peoples lives. If these people run wild on society and start robbing or raping people, fine, call in the gov't police. But that's no differen than any hetero married person or non married person.

[INM]

why should gay people suffer just like us?

but for real, what harm could it do to let gay people get married?
Its stupid to be opposed to gay marrige... I have nothing against it and I really can't understand people who are against it.

[KingTenderloin]

I dont oppose gay "marriage". But im not gonna go jump up and down screaming in support, i can understand CeeLo not wanting men loving on eachother to have influence on his kids. But thats where the job as a parent comes in to play. They deserve their rights but im not voting i dont care either way

[Coop77]

I know that I am going to offend someone, but I will be the first to step up and go against the grain.

I think it sends the wrong message to kids and I think that it is in-humane. I think that it should be Adam and Eve and Not Adam and Adam or Eve and Eve. Just doesn't make sense to me how that stuff could be pleasurable.

I would not want my kids to see 2 guys loving up on each other in public.

If you think gays are immoral/gross/whatever, fine, don't marry one. Teach your kids it's wrong. But don't try to write your personal morals into law.
Other people's civil rights supersede your right to not be uncomfortable.

[Coop77]

Even if your against gay marriage, why do you think you have the right to try to stop it?

Thank you. So few people think this way. It's ok to think something is morally 'wrong' but still think it should be legal. As long as there's no victim, let people decide for themselves what's right or wrong.

[Voland]

Here in Spain its legal and I supported 100%. Same obligations, same rights.
Its all fine as long as they don't wanna marry me LOL.

[PT]

personally i can care less. i have 2 friends that are gay and i would like for gay marrige to be legal just to make them and couples like them happy. nobody is gay by choice, there born that way so why do so many act like it is a crime is beyond me. there a normal couple in my mind just like my wife and i so they should be able to marry just as we did

[DSM4Life]

[CeeLo]

I would not stand in the way of the right to marry if they wanted to vote to do so. I would not oppose or try to do anything to prohibit it. However, what I am saying is that I will not vote for it to happen either.

I have the right not to like it or not support it. I would neither vote against it or vote for it. I would vote undecided, I guess.

[FallenWyvern]

I'm not takin the time to read this thread but I voted 'support gay marraige'. IMO government has NO BUSINESS whasoever in who is or is not married ore regognized as so. If the catholic church as a private organization doesn't want to marry Gay people i think that is their right. But if any other curch or organizaition DOES want ot marry them then i think THAT IS THEIR RIGHT. I think it's none of governments business.

Even if your against gay marriage, why do you think you have the right to try to stop it? My motto is live and let live. Are these people coming into your home and giving your children lectures on the benefits of gay marraige when your not home?

Bottom line, even for the religious right, gay marriage is GOOD for our nation. It promotes stability and the reduction of aids and an increase in mutual committments between adults (gay pple please add here I fully admit I am fairly niave when it comes to this stuff).

If you want to be against gay marriage i fully support that. What I say is join an orgainization/church that doesnt' allow it and then don't hold any gay marriage seriomonies.

But what makes you think you have the right to interfere withe the private actions of individuals in a supposedly free nation? If their church or public organizaiton wants to marry them I support your right to disapprove if you choose. But I completely oppose your attempts to intefere with the process just like i oppose with full force any efforts anyone makes to tryt ot forcibly interfere with MY marriage or MY family.

People need to mind their own business. Government is not (IMO) established to interfere in the private dealings of peoples lives. If these people run wild on society and start robbing or raping people, fine, call in the gov't police. But that's no differen than any hetero married person or non married person.

Good stuff.

[Bio-boosted]

I'm lending my support here.
Really i don't care but there's golden rules to live by; enjoy life, don't hurt anyone and mind your own fukkin business.

[gixxerboy1]

i didn't say anything about society needing protection.

and let's not turn this into an argument against MY opinions; which is exactly why i am not getting any deeper into my opinions; i didn't even post anything against gays but here someone's jumping on me already

lol. Scibble it wasnt against you. Im sure since i quoted you it came out that way. I was even going to write a line saying it wasnt directed towards you. But i figured you knew me well enough so i didnt have too.

[gixxerboy1]

i dont understand why you feel you have to stand up to everyone's opinion here. let people voice their opinions, which is what this thread is for, or is it just a means of getting as many people as possible to agree with you and to bash everyone who doesn't tow the line? my mind is still free thank you.

where did i bash anyone?

I made comments about a couple of his reasons. None called him names or belittled anyone. To me they didnt seem like real reasons. I was hoping for him to explain more. and he did in another post.

[dece870717]

Marriage was created by God/Religion, God/Religion therefore defines and sets rules of marriage. Government has no business in marriage period and I can't understand why we let the government even have any part in the marriage process. People want to say oh religion has no business in government with separation of church and state BS that doesn't exist and yet take a religious ritual and make it a part of the government/state.

[gixxerboy1]

Marriage was created by God/Religion, God/Religion therefore defines and sets rules of marriage. Government has no business in marriage period and I can't understand why we let the government even have any part in the marriage process. People want to say oh religion has no business in government with separation of church and state BS that doesn't exist and yet take a religious ritual and make it a part of the government/state.

I agree with you. But being married gives you certian rights. My church would allow me to marry because i didnt finish certain things with them. I agree a church should be allowed not to marry someone. But if the state is going to marry people then they should marry everyone. If a state marriage is called a civil union then it shoudl be for everyone.

[Dizz28]

I don't support Marriage, I think it should be outlawed....

[WARMachine]

Gay people have a right to be just as misrable as the rest of us...


I quote one of my favorite fighters of all time

-"I respect different sexual orientations but I advise them not to touch me."