acupuncture, massage, chiropractic...

**thetank** · 12-09-2008, 03:51 AM

as a tattoo artist im bent over all day and sometimes it does a number on my back. what does my MD do for me? "here..uhh, take these pills." wouldnt even give me a ****in X-ray. i had to demand it. i saw a chiropractor and he actually worked on the route of the problem. he not only helped me, but gave a shit too. unless my leg is cut off and i need emergency medical attetion or something, im stickin with natural routes of medicine.

**fit4ever180** · 12-09-2008, 03:56 AM

I love massages! They hurt so good! Hell, I'm even scheduled for one tomorrow afternoon as it is and then the chiro a couple hours after that! It'll be a fun, pain-filled day of pleasure!

**MuscleScience** · 12-09-2008, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by thegodfather

Well I have a couple of axe's to grind, but not with Chiro. Just with some other things brought up in this thread...This new trend with other avenues of healthcare wanting prescription rights...It seems these days, that everyone wants to be the "Doctor" without going to medical school and doing a long residency. NPs, CRNAs, PA's,etc, etc...There is a reason that medical school is 4 years long and most residency+fellowship programs are 4 years minimum, with 7 years for surgical residencies. There is an abundance of information a person must know off the top of their heads in order to perform these duties. Of course, with the specialization of labor, and the unions of these various professions, they will be pushing for a bigger piece of the market.

One of the things that IRKS the shit out of me to no end is that DNP 's are pushing to be called "Doctor" in a clinical setting. For those unaware, a DNP has a Doctorate of Nurse Practioner, essentially a PhD in NP.

The law in the majority of the states is VERY VERY CLEAR! The only person who is to be addressed as "DOCTOR" in a hospital/clinical setting (aside from private practice chiro offices), are: MD/DO, DPM, DDS/DMD. Other then that, it is FRAUD to present yourself as a "DOCTOR" if you are inside of a hospital. If you are however in a teaching setting, and you posess some sort of PhD then of course it is ok to be expected to be addressed by your proper title. But DNPs, DC's, etc have no business being addressed as a "Doctor" within a hospital. In Pennsylvania it is a serious crime.

Even more aggrivating, is the CRNA's who think they can perform the job of an Anesthesiologist better then an Anesthesiologist. Hospitals are cutting the number that they employ and employing many more CRNA's under the supervision of board certified Anesthesiologists. To think that the patient is getting the same level of care and expertise is LAUGHABLE! Oh well, that was my rant on that topic...

I need to shoot one of you chiro's a PM, I have a question, medically related...

I have two friends that are CRNA's, it is very hard to get into school. They have to have Trauma/ER experience before they go in. The school they attend is no joke.

***Doc.Sust*** · 12-09-2008, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by thegodfather

But DNPs, DC's, etc have no business being addressed as a "Doctor" within a hospital. In Pennsylvania it is a serious crime.

a lot of DC's now have hospital privileges and are reffered to as dr's by the staff

**thegodfather** · 12-10-2008, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by Doc.Sust

a lot of DC's now have hospital privileges and are reffered to as dr's by the staff

63 Pa. Cons. Stat. § 422.10. Unauthorized practice of medicine and surgery

No person other than a medical doctor shall engage in any of the following conduct except as authorized or exempted in this act:

Practice medicine and surgery.

Purport to practice medicine and surgery.

Hold forth as authorized to practice medicine and surgery through use of a title, including, but not necessarily limited to, medical doctor, doctor of medicine, doctor of medicine and surgery, doctor of a designated disease, physician, physician of a designated disease, or any abbreviation for the foregoing.

Otherwise hold forth as authorized to practice medicine and surgery.

63 Pa. Cons. Stat. § 422.16. Consultation

A person authorized to practice medicine or surgery or osteopathy without restriction by any other state may, upon request by a medical doctor, provide consultation to the medical doctor regarding the treatment of a patient under the care of the medical doctor

**RockyX** · 12-11-2008, 02:15 AM

doesn't say anything about being called doctor in general..we are doctors of chiropractic not medical doctor, doctor of medicine, doctor of medicine and surgery, doctor of a designated disease, physician, physician of a designated disease, or any abbreviation for the foregoing.

**thegodfather** · 12-11-2008, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by RockyX

doesn't say anything about being called doctor in general..we are doctors of chiropractic not medical doctor, doctor of medicine, doctor of medicine and surgery, doctor of a designated disease, physician, physician of a designated disease, or any abbreviation for the foregoing.

I should clarify...In Pennsylvania that law applies mostly to the hospital setting. For instance, it would be fraud for anyone other than an MD/DO to introduce themselves to a patient as "My name is Dr.____)." So if a Nurse Practioner with a PhD introduces themself to a patient as Dr.___ in a clinical setting they are breaking the law. You'd be surprised but many NP's have their own little lobby and believe they should be called "Doctor" in clinical settings which is highly confusing to patients in an ALREADY highly confusing setting. I think its about as uncooth as a JD who calls themself doctor, although certainly not illegal. It's also frowned upon by the medical profession in general to ever introduce yourself in a non-clinical/academic setting as "Doctor," although I know many personally who do, and it is very agitating.

I suppose the laws regarding this title issue vary from state to state. I know that Oregon has a similar set of laws in place. I'm sympathetic to the cause however, I suspect you guys are having to fight the same sort of uphill battle that Osteopaths once had to do.

**BrokenBricks** · 12-14-2008, 10:58 AM

Doc.Sust referring your yourself as a physician is inappropriate.

**sooners04** · 12-23-2008, 03:53 PM

I just started going for back pain and I LOVE it. I haven't felt better in years and I see no reason NOT to keep going. I look at it like this: I have to keep going to the gym to stay in shape, I have to keep going to the dentist to keep my teeth at their best and I have to keep going to the chiropractor to keep my body functioning properly. If something is out of line it can mess up the electrical balance and in my case my stomach was producing ridiculous amounts of acid causing heartburn, acid reflux etc... Nobody had a solution just pills covering up the problem. I went to the chiro for back pain and nothing else and they explained that the part of my back that was not balanced could cause stomach issues. Now that my back is great I have 0 symptoms of the stomach acid problems. The nerves in my spine were not balanced and it was telling my brains to make more stomach acid because of the in balance. Not anymore!!!!!

**RockyX** · 12-24-2008, 02:24 PM

Stories like that are inspiring, and that's a perfect analoge with the dentist, gym, etc, it's a shame more people don't see it that way as well!

**iceyash** · 01-19-2009, 09:28 AM

I don't think chiro's work.. however, once I injured my elbow cheerleading, the Dr said I sprained it and that I wouldn't be able to use it for 2 weeks or compete...and I went to a Holistic specialist who massaged it and idk how but he healed it, then he told me exercises to do because my elbows are hyper-extended...but because of him, I was able to compete and tumble a few days later..........so I totally believe in massages and what they can do for your muscles!

**BrokenBricks** · 01-21-2009, 11:28 PM

Originally Posted by iceyash

I don't think chiro's work.. however, once I injured my elbow cheerleading, the Dr said I sprained it and that I wouldn't be able to use it for 2 weeks or compete...and I went to a Holistic specialist who massaged it and idk how but he healed it, then he told me exercises to do because my elbows are hyper-extended...but because of him, I was able to compete and tumble a few days later..........so I totally believe in massages and what they can do for your muscles!

Let me reinterpret your experience. A doctor did not tell you you *couldn't* use the elbow, he advised you not to. You did and nothing bad happened. This proves what?

I tell people every day to stop doing cocaine..to take their insulin and to remember their blood pressure medications...does the fact that occasionally one of these people lives past 60 mean that the advice I gave was wrong? No. We base advise on statistical likelihood. If the risk of further injury after a sprain is significantly higher with immediate return to function that it is with 2 weeks rest then it is unsurprising that he would recommend taking a break. That you ignored that advice is not evidence of anything.

**MuscleScience** · 01-21-2009, 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by BrokenBricks

Let me reinterpret your experience. A doctor did not tell you you *couldn't* use the elbow, he advised you not to. You did and nothing bad happened. This proves what?

I tell people every day to stop doing cocaine..to take their insulin and to remember their blood pressure medications...does the fact that occasionally one of these people lives past 60 mean that the advice I gave was wrong? No. We base advise on statistical likelihood. If the risk of further injury after a sprain is significantly higher with immediate return to function that it is with 2 weeks rest then it is unsurprising that he would recommend taking a break. That you ignored that advice is not evidence of anything.

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