shoulder/ roataor cuff supplements ?

**DSM4Life** · 02-06-2009, 06:02 PM

Are there any decent supplements for the rotator cuff ? Like a general joint supplement ?

I been doing some reading but there are a lot of BS articles just trying to sell products.

**DCI** · 02-06-2009, 06:16 PM

I just use glucosamine. But if you find something let me know man as mine are fookered.

***RAGE*** · 02-06-2009, 06:17 PM

^^^same

**J-Dogg** · 02-06-2009, 06:31 PM

I was actually going to post the same thing today.

I've gained strength over the past 8 weeks and it's rough on the body moving the heavier weight.

What about fish oils?

**DSM4Life** · 02-06-2009, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by J-Dogg

I was actually going to post the same thing today.

I've gained strength over the past 8 weeks and it's rough on the body moving the heavier weight.

What about fish oils?

Same thing here.
I just found this :

http://www.vetpro.co.nz/Vet%20Talk_E..._glutamine.htm

***RAGE*** · 02-06-2009, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by DSM4Life

Same thing here.
I just found this :

http://www.vetpro.co.nz/Vet%20Talk_E..._glutamine.htm

interesting

**jimmyinkedup** · 02-06-2009, 06:49 PM

damn ...and i was just gonna ask that question in the ask DSM anything thread!

**Zino** · 02-06-2009, 07:08 PM

I take Animal FLEX and started on Alflutop a couple weeks ago.

**Kratos** · 02-06-2009, 07:55 PM

doubtful dsm, the rotator cuff is the stabilizing muscles and tendons of your shoulder and glucosamine and chondrotin and glutamine's mechanisms of possible action are more for synovial joints like the knee. A muscle tear is unlikely to benefit.

**DSM4Life** · 02-06-2009, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by Kratos

doubtful dsm, the rotator cuff is the stabilizing muscles and tendons of your shoulder and glucosamine and chondrotin and glutamine's mechanisms of possible action are more for synovial joints like the knee. A muscle tear is unlikely to benefit.

Anything to help the rotor cuff ? Other than the normal warm up beforehand ?

**xlxBigSexyxlx** · 02-06-2009, 09:43 PM

Is it torn or what?

Have you considered surgery by any chance?

**DSM4Life** · 02-06-2009, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by xlxBigSexyxlx

Is it torn or what?

Have you considered surgery by any chance?

naa i just "tweaked" it a little but going forward i wanted to see if there is something i can take to help protect it.

**xlxBigSexyxlx** · 02-06-2009, 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by DSM4Life

naa i just "tweaked" it a little but going forward i wanted to see if there is something i can take to help protect it.

How long has this been going on for?
Just when you lift weights? Or even throughout the day?

I've never heard of any rotator cuff supp.
Just your typical, do a warm up, stretch, start light, stop when you feel any pain, etc.
And the whole, RICE treatment, then applying heat to get blood flow going, etc, etc

**J-Dogg** · 02-06-2009, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by xlxBigSexyxlx

How long has this been going on for?
Just when you lift weights? Or even throughout the day?

I've never heard of any rotator cuff supp.
Just your typical, do a warm up, stretch, start light, stop when you feel any pain, etc.
And the whole, RICE treatment, then applying heat to get blood flow going, etc, etc

I felt like my joints were sore by the time I got to incline dumbells today.

And I did flat bench first.

I'm just going to reduce the weight and try to use slower, more controlled reps, maybe less time between sets.

I keep a few layers on to keep my body warm and joints warm too, and that helps a little.

I've never really "HURT" myself lifting, but each year we get older and stronger, sounds like it leads to an injury eventually!

Keep me posted on what you find though DSM! You are more resourceful than me.

**kaberle_15** · 02-06-2009, 11:09 PM

Give glucosamine a shot, I had a shoulder joint problem and after taking glucosamine for about a month the pain was gone and the joint moved smoothly again.

**AnimalGear** · 02-06-2009, 11:15 PM

Glucasomine/Chondroitin(sp?)
it'll be one supplement, it's what you need for joint issues/support/health

**novastepp** · 02-06-2009, 11:36 PM

it's tough DSM, ive talked to many orthopedists, and they tell me the same thing. those joint supplements arent going to help heal or protect your rotator cuff. they may just continue to help with ROM and keep it working as smoothly as possible. nothing really is going to help those little muscles in there unless you have surgery, and seeing as you just tweaked it. i would go ahead and give a supplement regime a shot. maybe log it.

**Kratos** · 02-06-2009, 11:59 PM

Originally Posted by DSM4Life

Anything to help the rotor cuff ? Other than the normal warm up beforehand ?

I'm having beers with a physical theripist (spelling I'm drunk) 2moro. I'll get back to you, I think there are some exercises you can do.

**DSM4Life** · 02-07-2009, 06:09 AM

Originally Posted by xlxBigSexyxlx

How long has this been going on for?
Just when you lift weights? Or even throughout the day?

I've never heard of any rotator cuff supp.
Just your typical, do a warm up, stretch, start light, stop when you feel any pain, etc.
And the whole, RICE treatment, then applying heat to get blood flow going, etc, etc

Just recently. Like stated above i been really hitting the weights hard and i think i did it throwing up a heavy DB for shoulder presses. I didnt feel it that night but the next i did.

Originally Posted by Kratos

I'm having beers with a physical theripist (spelling I'm drunk) 2moro. I'll get back to you, I think there are some exercises you can do.

Your drunk ? Come over so we can .....talk.

**DCI** · 02-07-2009, 01:03 PM

Reading with interest.

**Kratos** · 02-08-2009, 11:04 AM

some exercises you can do to help
http://www.bodyresults.com/E2RotatorCuff.asp

http://www.binghamton.edu/athletics/strength/rota.pdf

Avoid lat pull downs and military presses behind the head, as they place the shoulder in a poor biomechanical position encouraging impingement.

Do not lower the bar or dumbbells below parallel with incline/flat bench press for the aforementioned reason.

Refrain from using too much weight with lateral shoulder raises.

The hallmark signs of a tear are nocturnal pain, loss of strength, and inability to raise the arm overhead.
Many people can function adequately with a torn rotator cuff provided they have a low to moderate pain level. If you do have a tear, depending on expectations, you may want to talk to a surgeon.
You can take ibuprofen to help with pain related to inflamation, other than that, there isn't much you can do.

**Kratos** · 02-08-2009, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by DSM4Life

Your drunk ? Come over so we can .....talk.

In the excersises you should avoid, I forgot to mention gay sex with kratos.

**DSM4Life** · 02-08-2009, 01:33 PM

When i do these :

I can feel my shoulder making a "popping" sound/movement.

**Kratos** · 02-08-2009, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by DSM4Life

When i do these :

I can feel my shoulder making a "popping" sound/movement.

don't do that exercise then, focus more on the internal and external rotation exercises for now. Proceed with caution, begin by finding a range of motion for all your exercises that are comfortable for you. Could be a number of things making the pop itself. It can be that your humerus is grazing on the labrum of the glenoid fossa (basically the head of the arm bone impacting on the shoulder socket), or it can also be a tendon snapping in the small area under the acromioclavicular joint. Sounds like you've got a little bit of subluxation going on possibly (kinda a minor dislocation). Can only be confirmed by a doctors visit. Laxity in the joint due to damage. That position at the top, like a pitcher ready to throw the ball is a very weak position for the shoulder.

**DSM4Life** · 02-08-2009, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by Kratos

don't do that exercise then, focus more on the internal and external rotation exercises for now. Proceed with caution, begin by finding a range of motion for all your exercises that are comfortable for you. Could be a number of things making the pop itself. It can be that your humerus is grazing on the labrum of the glenoid fossa (basically the head of the arm bone impacting on the shoulder socket), or it can also be a tendon snapping in the small area under the acromioclavicular joint. Sounds like you've got a little bit of subluxation going on possibly (kinda a minor dislocation). Can only be confirmed by a doctors visit. Laxity in the joint due to damage. That position at the top, like a pitcher ready to throw the ball is a very weak position for the shoulder.

Even if i do the movement right now with no weight in my hand i can still hear the shoulder making noise.

**Noles12** · 02-08-2009, 05:15 PM

I have the same problem. I decided to wait a year before i actually saw a doctor. I got an MRI Arthrogram which revealed i had a tear in my supraspinatus (one of the four rotator cuff muscles) and a partially torn labrum. Now i'm going to a surgeon to talk about options. I've strengthened my shoulder where i can lift just not heavy and with some pain. I'd get it checked out.

**IM708** · 02-08-2009, 05:35 PM

glucosamine/chondroitin/msm/sam-e/fish oil

**gymnerd** · 02-14-2009, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by Zino

I take Animal FLEX and started on Alflutop a couple weeks ago.

How's the Alflutop working? I hear alot of possitive things about it.

**jakk9011** · 02-14-2009, 10:32 PM

I guess I need to go and buy some of Glucosamine/Chondroitin. I have been having pain in what feels like my biceps tendon for about 2 months... I actually took a month off training to try to get it to heal, but went back last week and it still hurts like a bitch. I am trying to strengthen the little muscles and stretch myself as much as possible. I want to do whatever it takes to get back so I will get on those neutriceuticals ASAP.

**drummerofgod87** · 02-15-2009, 02:51 AM

Originally Posted by Kratos

some exercises you can do to help
http://www.bodyresults.com/E2RotatorCuff.asp

http://www.binghamton.edu/athletics/strength/rota.pdf

Avoid lat pull downs and military presses behind the head, as they place the shoulder in a poor biomechanical position encouraging impingement.

Do not lower the bar or dumbbells below parallel with incline/flat bench press for the aforementioned reason.

Refrain from using too much weight with lateral shoulder raises.

The hallmark signs of a tear are nocturnal pain, loss of strength, and inability to raise the arm overhead.
Many people can function adequately with a torn rotator cuff provided they have a low to moderate pain level. If you do have a tear, depending on expectations, you may want to talk to a surgeon.
You can take ibuprofen to help with pain related to inflamation, other than that, there isn't much you can do.

My shoulders always hurt like a bitch after lateral raises, and it gets worse as I go up in weight. It only hurts when I first flex the muscle to get the weight moving and when I take all of the tension off the shoulder. Same thing goes for seated shoulder presses. Whenever I put the barbell down, I have to slowly let go or I will feel pain. If the spotter lifts up on it quickly, I can feel a fairly good ache in my shoulders. Nothing that's stopping me from lifting yet, but we'll see.

**Kratos** · 02-15-2009, 11:06 AM

^I would stick to a weight that doesn't cause you pain for awhile drummer^

**DSM4Life** · 02-15-2009, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by drummerofgod87

My shoulders always hurt like a bitch after lateral raises, and it gets worse as I go up in weight. It only hurts when I first flex the muscle to get the weight moving and when I take all of the tension off the shoulder. Same thing goes for seated shoulder presses. Whenever I put the barbell down, I have to slowly let go or I will feel pain. If the spotter lifts up on it quickly, I can feel a fairly good ache in my shoulders. Nothing that's stopping me from lifting yet, but we'll see.

i believe i did it on heavy shoulder presses as well. I think when i "threw" the DB up it happened.

**boxer1** · 02-15-2009, 12:45 PM

i've had shoulder issues for 8 months now, the last 3 months i've been running hgh @ 8iu day and i'm almost back to starting weight for bench. I know hgh cannot reattach tendons to bone only surgery is the way to go but for someone who has a slight tear wheree the tendon is still attached can it repair that??, all i know is the hgh has def done wonders for me. Surgery is prob cheaper though lol.

**drummerofgod87** · 02-15-2009, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Kratos

^I would stick to a weight that doesn't cause you pain for awhile drummer^

Honestly, I think I'm too stubborn to do that. And the pain is pretty mild. It's not extreme. On a scale of 1 - 10 (typical pain scale), the pain whenever I take the pressure back off my shoulders (like racking the barbell for shoulder press) is like maybe a 3.

**J-Dogg** · 02-16-2009, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by DSM4Life

i believe i did it on heavy shoulder presses as well. I think when i "threw" the DB up it happened.

That's how I did mine I think too.

Throwing them up instead of having 2 people hand them to me, the "swinging" motion.

After I did flys and I just kind of curl them up, I could really feel it.

Today on incline barbell I think I hurt it worse.

I normally do 115s for incline dumbell and had to do 65s with someone handing them to me today.