sentance for this crime in the u.s ?

**lord henry** · 02-20-2009, 02:04 PM

DETECTIVES today revealed how a fanatical body-builder ran an international steroid dealing business from a spare room in his Carlisle flat. James Sutherland [ErGs] used the internet to market illegal and dangerous steroids to fellow body builders across the world, with customers in the UK, China, the United States, and America.

Experts have repeatedly warned about the long-term health dangers of using steroids, but that did nothing to deter Sutherland. He even boasted to police that his business was so successful that his work kept him busy seven days a week.

At Carlisle Crown Court yesterday, the 47-year-old fitness fanatic was jailed for 20 months after he admitted two police assaults and 26 charges of offering to supply anabolic steroids, a Class C drug. Prosecutor Tim Evans said that while possessing the steroids was legal, selling them was not.

Having used steroids himself to build up his own unimpressive physique, Sutherland took his interest further: he set up his own website – roids.co.uk – to distribute them across the world. “He developed a deliberate covering of his tracks because he knew fine well that what he was doing was illegal,” said Mr Evans.

When police raided Sutherland’s one-bedroomed flat at Denton Mill Close, Denton Holme, in June 2002, they found what officers say was “a sophisticated mini-production line.” Crammed into a tiny utility room was all the evidence they needed: a consignment of steroids and a sophisticated mailing system, with invoices, stamps, packaging materials, airmail stickers, and bubblewrap, said Mr Evans.

Investigators estimated Sutherland had about 350 customers, some returning again and again. They believe he sent out steroids worth more than £25,000, having bought them from Greece.

Sutherland’s defence barrister Alex Offer said he had a “genuinely held belief” that steroids were harmless if taken “sensibly” – a claim refuted by experts. He said Sutherland supplied only to adult male body builders – “a community in which these drugs have been routinely used for decades.” “He throws himself into anything he does with great enthusiasm, but not much forethought,” said Mr Offer.

The police investigation into Sutherland’s international drugs operation began by chance when officers called at his fashionable Denton Holme flat about another inquiry – and in his tiny utility room found his steroids HQ.

Among the drugs stored there were Sustanon , Dianabol , and Nandralone, which has frequently ruined the careers of top athletes. On his computer they found Sutherland’s website, boasting of a business that was a world-leader in its field.

A court hearing next April will decide to what extent Sutherland profited, but his lifestyle suggested it was more than worth his while. His swish Denton Holme flat, a flash new car, and the lifestyle of a young professional all had to be paid for and Sutherland’s business was clearly going well.

Acting detective sergeant Sara Craig recalled how Sutherland seemed unconcerned in interviews – arrogant, even, about his crimes. “He was very knowledgeable,” she conceded, “but arrogant, a bit too clever, and argumentative. He was making a good living, and tried to justify what he was selling, saying that it was legal. His website bragged about being the top one in the world.”

Through a painstaking investigation, officers from north Cumbria targeting unit and the High Tech Crime Unit gathered evidence. Paul Brown, director of Cumbria Alcohol and Drug Advisory Service, sounded a warning about steroids use, saying: “In the short term, steroids can cause aggression. In the longer term, they can cause liver and kidney damage.” He added that in Cumbria there is a “fairly stable” problem with steroid abuse , mostly involving young men.

Sutherland was jailed for eight months for the steroids offence, and a further 12 months for assaulting two police officers who arrested him in Carlisle city centre. [ErGs]

just shows you the laws in the uk comperd to the us

**drummerofgod87** · 02-20-2009, 02:36 PM

Article was biased as ****. No government in the world has any studies done on the short-term or long-term side effects of taking steroids in supraphysiological doses, yet they still seem to be "experts" in that field. All they have is textbook knowledge of steroids, and what those textbooks say is that steroids are bad, so they take on that knowledge and label themselves "experts." WE are the experts. We, the bodybuilders, have seen what happens when you take supraphysiological doses of steroids. And what does happen when you take suphraphysiological, yet still safe doses with proper procedure? Superb gains with minimal side effects both short term and long term. Bunch of fat assholes, that's what the government is.

**Matt** · 02-20-2009, 02:37 PM

^^ agreed^^

***RAGE*** · 02-20-2009, 04:05 PM

I agreed as well

**hellapimpin** · 02-20-2009, 04:18 PM

Ughh..that article pissed me off...One sided as hell

**MMArmour** · 02-20-2009, 04:36 PM

I cannot possibly understand why it is that drugs that can exhibit incredible benefits to humans on a biological and aesthetic level can be looked upon so badly. Never have there been laws so ridiculously made as those surrounding AAS usage. Not one single shred of evidence pointing to "liver and kidney damage". Give me a ****ing break. yes we know orals are liver toxic. Any one of these forum experience liver damage or failure?? I havent seen one! What a load of shit. Bias reporting junk. Whats more, they condemn them, however they are legal to use but not to sell? If they really were THAT damaging, which they are not, what kind of irresponsible government would allow it? Contradictory bullshit.

I have no idea how much punishment would be involved in a case like this in america but it would be hefty. Specially with all the hype centered around sports and steroid use .

**Panzerfaust80** · 02-20-2009, 05:04 PM

I mean for Fuk sake look at the damage alcohol does to liver's every year... but you dont see uncle sam illegalizing Buds... oh wait they already tried that and it didnt work...

Everything out there is a giant conspiracy.. The bottom line here is that we are all lemmings, wondering around about our daily, meaningless lives while the "government" knows whats best for us. Thank god we have a government, I wouldnt know where to piss in the morning if they hadnt taught me in school...

**MMArmour** · 02-20-2009, 05:26 PM

uhhhhhh.....???

**Panzerfaust80** · 02-20-2009, 06:05 PM

Was the uhhh... intended for me?

Ill explain my post if you dont get the point I was trying to get achieve.

**JiGGaMaN** · 02-20-2009, 06:21 PM

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**Panzerfaust80** · 02-20-2009, 06:28 PM

WOW..... damn sux for him..!!!! cant believe that!

**Overhaulz** · 02-21-2009, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by JiGGaMaN

we will miss you perfectbeast

Whoa there!! Is that seriously him, or are you joking?

**higherdesire** · 02-21-2009, 11:41 AM

well if it was him, and his avi was him then that will show you how much BS was in this article, becasue they said he used them on his own unimpressive physique. Besides that the bust took place in 2002? IDK

**hugovsilva** · 02-21-2009, 11:44 AM

Go read some of JiggaMan's previous posts. lol

**Overhaulz** · 02-21-2009, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by hugovsilva

Go read some of JiggaMan's previous posts. lol

Well that answered my question! I need to spend some more time reading this forum!!

**FallenWyvern** · 02-21-2009, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by JiGGaMaN

we will miss you perfectbeast

I was thinking same thing...

**FallenWyvern** · 02-21-2009, 01:51 PM

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**MMArmour** · 02-21-2009, 01:57 PM

holy shiiiitttttttttttt

**MMArmour** · 02-21-2009, 01:58 PM

Guess he kinda fell off with the working out towards the end there. Man...that is really shitty. I wish at least he couldnt gone out looking like his avy.

Not that its any consolation.

Doesnt he have a wife?

**JiGGaMaN** · 02-21-2009, 02:24 PM

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**Brown Ninja** · 02-21-2009, 02:29 PM

among the drugs stored there were Sustanon , Dianabol , and Nandralone, which has frequently ruined the careers of top athletes.

**Brown Ninja** · 02-21-2009, 02:30 PM

Ruined careers? Please those drugs listed above have single handedly made baseball almost tolerable to watch

**higherdesire** · 02-21-2009, 02:33 PM

I hate it for him. I know the feeling all too well.

**higherdesire** · 02-21-2009, 02:34 PM

tell the 1968 Chargers their careers were ruined!

**stocky121** · 02-22-2009, 05:09 AM

i would just like to say that the article was not about PB

except the pic is jiggaman has been ****ing with the lot of you

**almostgone** · 02-22-2009, 05:13 AM

...and I think it's a f@cking piss poor joke. That IS NOT something to joke about.

AG

**IM708** · 02-22-2009, 07:16 AM

47 years old, it shows perfectbeast as 33 in his profile....interesting.

**almostgone** · 02-22-2009, 07:26 AM

It wasn't PB as stocky121 pointed out above. Apparently we have some members on here with a really immature sense of humor.

AG

**IM708** · 02-22-2009, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by almostgone

It wasn't PB as stocky121 pointed out above. Apparently we have some members on here with a really immature sense of humor.

AG

Theres quite a few more than just some...

I know it wasn't him, the guy arrested was 47, pb is only 33 unless he made that up.

**Matt** · 02-22-2009, 10:00 AM

A pubic execution would have been fun...

**Voland** · 02-22-2009, 11:36 AM

The dude in the pic is PB. But age in his profile doesn't fit the news.
I dunno i the news refers to PB or not but relating that news to one pic of PB held by some cops is NOT funny. I its really part of the news you should post the link.

Anyway. I think that sentence is absolutly disproportionate.