Quit buying chinese crap!!!!!!

**Dobie-BOY** · 05-12-2009, 05:26 AM

Im gonna go on a bit of a rant here so bare with me. First of all CHINESE government SUCKS!!!!
Think about this, china has a HUGE surplus of money. America is in major debt, mostly to china. china is a communist, slave driving, hidious government which profits off the poverty of its poor. This is the same gov't that is using their money surplus to SLOWLY buy up American businesses. If they buy up 51% of the business stock they are then largely in charge of the company. They have been slowly doing this and will continue. SLOWLY. You see, if you throw a frog in a boiling pot of water it will jump out, But if you put it in the water and SLOWLY heat the water the frog will never sense the temperature change and allow himself to cook to death. This is what china would love to do to America. SLOWLY buy up American companies controlling shares. Then we will all work for a company owned by china. "Ya, but they still have to operate under American law" you may think. Well, who do you think has the most influence in Washington. You and I, the common citizens or multi-billion dollar businesses with lobbyists and special interest groups who line the pockets of ALL the politicians. Yes, I said ALL. You see I am not a conspiracy theorist. I do not believe that all politicians are satan. The problem is money talks and B.S. walks. The politicians with the most money to work with have the biggest campaign budgets Etc... to influence votes. So, even the most honest politicians sometimes have to do things against their morals or beliefs in order to stay in office in hopes that someday they can "right the wrongs" they had to commit to keep the office from a truly and completely immoral competitor/politician. This on top of the fact that Obama is strongly taking us towards a socialist and communist gov't any way and we Americans will soon live in tiny houses stacked on top of each other with polution running out of every hole in our body. Oh ya, AMERICA WILL NO LONGER BE A FREE NATION. We will all be slaves to the gov't just like china. We will live in a new nation known as chinamerica

P.S. Im not the most knowledgeable guy as far as law and gov't so feel free to correct me, but it seems pretty simple to me.

**vpchill** · 05-12-2009, 05:46 AM

Im not too knowledgable about the inner workings of politics, but if what you say is correct that is truly Messed up.
You have any where I can follow this info up?

**jbm** · 05-12-2009, 05:48 AM

Politics is really a dirty and evil game.

**vpchill** · 05-12-2009, 06:13 AM

You a Politician JBM?

**Dobie-BOY** · 05-12-2009, 06:19 AM

Originally Posted by vpchill

Im not too knowledgable about the inner workings of politics, but if what you say is correct that is truly Messed up.
You have any where I can follow this info up?

No, not really. I only remember things that come from reliable sources as I am a very skeptical person when it comes to opinions and information Im being fed. I do remember hearing that china is buying up American business shares and again, it came from a reputable source or I would not have remembered it. The rest of it I put together myself, but really its just common sense. The only part that really needs verified is that china is buying up American company shares. The rest just fits right in.

**SMCengineer** · 05-12-2009, 06:37 AM

It's not Chinas fault that America plunged itself into debt. It's like blaming a bankrupt person on a credit card company. The debtor is not the victim. And this started long before Obama. He's just doing nothing different.

**zimmy** · 05-12-2009, 07:04 AM

Originally Posted by Dobie-BOY

Im gonna go on a bit of a rant here so bare with me. First of all CHINESE government SUCKS!!!!
Think about this, china has a HUGE surplus of money. America is in major debt, mostly to china. china is a communist, slave driving, hidious government which profits off the poverty of its poor. This is the same gov't that is using their money surplus to SLOWLY buy up American businesses. If they buy up 51% of the business stock they are then largely in charge of the company. They have been slowly doing this and will continue. SLOWLY. You see, if you throw a frog in a boiling pot of water it will jump out, But if you put it in the water and SLOWLY heat the water the frog will never sense the temperature change and allow himself to cook to death. This is what china would love to do to America. SLOWLY buy up American companies controlling shares. Then we will all work for a company owned by china. "Ya, but they still have to operate under American law" you may think. Well, who do you think has the most influence in Washington. You and I, the common citizens or multi-billion dollar businesses with lobbyists and special interest groups who line the pockets of ALL the politicians. Yes, I said ALL. You see I am not a conspiracy theorist. I do not believe that all politicians are satan. The problem is money talks and B.S. walks. The politicians with the most money to work with have the biggest campaign budgets Etc... to influence votes. So, even the most honest politicians sometimes have to do things against their morals or beliefs in order to stay in office in hopes that someday they can "right the wrongs" they had to commit to keep the office from a truly and completely immoral competitor/politician. This on top of the fact that Obama is strongly taking us towards a socialist and communist gov't any way and we Americans will soon live in tiny houses stacked on top of each other with polution running out of every hole in our body. Oh ya, AMERICA WILL NO LONGER BE A FREE NATION. We will all be slaves to the gov't just like china. We will live in a new nation known as chinamerica

P.S. Im not the most knowledgeable guy as far as law and gov't so feel free to correct me, but it seems pretty simple to me.

Uh...yah...this isn't really remotely accurate. But thaz ok i spose. I'd probably research if i was gonna post that up. Oh btw...if they sold our money back to us (which they own alot of US currency) it would sink us. We would jump into a huge depression. So hoping that they fail would mean that they no longer can take a risk on our money which is not as solid as it was when they started investing in our dollar (which was more stable than their dollar).

**Dobie-BOY** · 05-12-2009, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by zimmy

Uh...yah...this isn't really remotely accurate. But thaz ok i spose. I'd probably research if i was gonna post that up. Oh btw...if they sold our money back to us (which they own alot of US currency) it would sink us. We would jump into a huge depression. So hoping that they fail would mean that they no longer can take a risk on our money which is not as solid as it was when they started investing in our dollar (which was more stable than their dollar).

Well, it makes alot of sense to me. Im not really trying to argue a point as much as explore an idea. BUT, which part isnt accurate?
Oh and also Im not, blaming china. America is at fault for our situation. I wont deny that for a minute. I know one thing for a fact, CHINA IS NOT OUR FRIEND OR ALLY. Empowering and supporting them by constantly buying their products is not a good idea. It doesnt take a government strategy to change this. It just takes you and I making better decisions about what we buy.

**zimmy** · 05-12-2009, 09:36 AM

they don't invest much into our companies...they only invest in our dollar really. And saying they arne't our friend or ally is an old world way of thinking. We are a global civilization and a nation of consumers. We make very little of the things we use daily. We sell our farm products to alot of the world who can't produce as much as we do. It's about every country making what they can make and profiting. I guess what i'm saying is I think this whole economic shithole we are in WORLD WIDE shows that what happens to 1 country WILL AFFECT most of the other world.

**vpchill** · 05-12-2009, 11:10 AM

As I previously stated Im not too keen on Politics But dont the Saudis have alot invested in many major US corporations? If thats related to this thread.

**Knockout_Power** · 05-12-2009, 07:43 PM

The US treasury is almost 30% made up of Chinese comodities (ie. Gold). They are currently keeping the US from tumbling into a place they will never recover from. I dont like their system very much, but if the lazy American hiding behind its Unions actually took pride in their work and put out a decent product, then we wouldnt have to buy off china to make money on our products.

If the US doesnt buy from China, they dont need nearly as much raw materials such as oil, natural gas, ore etc and guess where that comes from, Canada and the US. Billions a year into our economy.

**jbm** · 05-12-2009, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by vpchill

You a Politician JBM?

Nope! I wish I'm so I'll have enough money to support bodybuilding lifestyle!

**Knockout_Power** · 05-12-2009, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by jbm

Nope! I wish I'm so I'll have enough money to support bodybuilding lifestyle!

heh, isnt govenor Schwarzenneggar spending a fortune to get rid of steroid use ... thats like Calgarian fighting for abstinence or monogamy

**jbm** · 05-12-2009, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by Knockout_Power

heh, isnt govenor Schwarzenneggar spending a fortune to get rid of steroid use... thats like Calgarian fighting for abstinence or monogamy

***RAGE*** · 05-12-2009, 08:15 PM

I am going to buy a chinese wife....sorry

**jbm** · 05-12-2009, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by prone2rage

I am going to buy a chinese wife....sorry

Me too! hate big loud mouth wife! so I'll buy a new one...

**ray0414** · 05-13-2009, 12:08 AM

well i have more bad news your/us. GM is going to start importing cars from china to sell here. im going to post it up in a new thread though.

**pyrat** · 05-13-2009, 12:20 AM

China is not at all to blame, like others said. They lent us money when we needed it.

We need to...STOP GOVERNMENT SPENDING!!! If you are really adament about this, show up and voice your opinion at one of the Tea Parties. The only way we can stop the govt from digging the USA a nice deep grave is to ban together and show them we're not buyin this shit any longer.

**pyrat** · 05-13-2009, 12:23 AM

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**Lightsout2184** · 05-13-2009, 02:49 AM

Originally Posted by Dobie-BOY

Im gonna go on a bit of a rant here so bare with me. First of all CHINESE government SUCKS!!!!
Think about this, china has a HUGE surplus of money. America is in major debt, mostly to china. china is a communist, slave driving, hidious government which profits off the poverty of its poor. This is the same gov't that is using their money surplus to SLOWLY buy up American businesses. If they buy up 51% of the business stock they are then largely in charge of the company. They have been slowly doing this and will continue. SLOWLY. You see, if you throw a frog in a boiling pot of water it will jump out, But if you put it in the water and SLOWLY heat the water the frog will never sense the temperature change and allow himself to cook to death. This is what china would love to do to America. SLOWLY buy up American companies controlling shares. Then we will all work for a company owned by china. "Ya, but they still have to operate under American law" you may think. Well, who do you think has the most influence in Washington. You and I, the common citizens or multi-billion dollar businesses with lobbyists and special interest groups who line the pockets of ALL the politicians. Yes, I said ALL. You see I am not a conspiracy theorist. I do not believe that all politicians are satan. The problem is money talks and B.S. walks. The politicians with the most money to work with have the biggest campaign budgets Etc... to influence votes. So, even the most honest politicians sometimes have to do things against their morals or beliefs in order to stay in office in hopes that someday they can "right the wrongs" they had to commit to keep the office from a truly and completely immoral competitor/politician. This on top of the fact that Obama is strongly taking us towards a socialist and communist gov't any way and we Americans will soon live in tiny houses stacked on top of each other with polution running out of every hole in our body. Oh ya, AMERICA WILL NO LONGER BE A FREE NATION. We will all be slaves to the gov't just like china. We will live in a new nation known as chinamerica

P.S. Im not the most knowledgeable guy as far as law and gov't so feel free to correct me, but it seems pretty simple to me.

poor frog never saw it coming

**Dobie-BOY** · 05-19-2009, 06:47 AM

China Showing Bigger Interest in U.S.An offer for Maytag and a possible bid for Unocal could lead to
increased scrutiny in Washington.
By Evelyn Iritani, Times Staff Writer
http://www.latimes.com/business/investing/la-fi-
china22jun22,1,1891602.story?coll=la-headlines-business-invest

Flush with cash and a strong desire to expand their global reach,
Chinese companies have stepped up their shopping spree to acquire
U.S. assets, highlighted Tuesday by reports of a possible bid for
Unocal Corp. and an offer for Maytag Corp.Mainland Chinese investments in the United States have been
relatively small, attracting little attention. But analysts predict
that China's growing visibility could spark a backlash reminiscent
of anti-Japan sentiments that arose two decades ago, given concerns
on Capitol Hill that China represents a serious economic threat and
future military challenger.

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FOR THE RECORD:
Chinese acquisitions —A graphic in Wednesday's Business section with
an article about Chinese acquisitions in the U.S. said that China's
TCL Group had combined its television and DVD operations with French
company Thomson to create the world's leading maker of televisions.
In fact, TCL combined its TV operation with Thomson's TV operation,
not with all of Thomson. The deal did not include TCL's DVD division.

-----------

Chinese acquisitions of American strategic assets such as oil
reserves will require vetting by the U.S. government and could
aggravate tensions in Congress over the bulging U.S. trade deficit
with China and that country's reluctance to revalue its currency,
analysts say. U.S. firms complain that the Chinese yuan is
undervalued by as much as 40%, giving China an unfair trade
advantage by making its exports cheaper.
"There's going to be a fuss about this in Washington for sure, and I
don't think it is a foregone conclusion that Washington would say
yes" to a Unocal deal, said Donald Straszheim, chairman of
Straszheim Global Advisors, a consulting firm focused on China. "But
I see no reason why it's not reasonable to have Chinese companies
investing in American companies, just like we're happy to have
Russian companies investing here or British companies investing
here." Straszaheim is obviously biased towards the chinese investments for obvious reasons

Although China has long welcomed foreign funds, the Beijing regime
is opening the nation's doors wider to U.S. investment in previously
closed sectors such as financial services and transportation. Last
week, Bank of America Corp. announced that it was investing $3
billion for a 9% stake in China Construction Bank, one of China's
largest banks.

On Tuesday, Unocal's stock rose $1.38 to $64.85 amid reports that
CNOOC Ltd., China's largest offshore oil and gas producer, may offer
$20 billion for Unocal, which would outbid Chevron Corp. Early
today, Reuters quoted a CNOOC executive as saying that no decision
had been made on whether to bid.

Also Tuesday, Haier Group, China's largest refrigerator maker, and
two U.S. buyout firms offered $1.28 billion for Maytag, topping an
earlier bid by Ripplewood Holdings. Maytag's stock rose 86 cents to
$16.09.
Those possible deals, along with the $1.25-billion purchase in
December by China's Lenovo Group Ltd. of IBM Corp.'s personal
computer division, are the cutting edge of a new wave of overseas
investment involving powerful but little-known Chinese companies.
They are seeking to acquire badly needed natural resources or move
beyond their low-cost manufacturing base, said Donald Tang, chairman
of Bear Stearns Asia. The path is a well-trodden one, used by
companies from Japan, South Korea and Taiwan to get U.S. toeholds.

By purchasing global management expertise, technology, brand-name
visibility and marketing networks, Chinese firms can leapfrog
competitors, boost profit margins and bolster their attractiveness
to consumers and investors.

Outside of natural resources, the most likely acquisition targets
are U.S. companies involved in consumer electronics, appliances or
high technology, in which China has already mastered manufacturing
skills, analysts say.

Haier's bid for Maytag, like Lenovo's purchase of IBM's PC division,
are examples of this trend. Haier opened a refrigerator factory in
Camden, S.C., in 2000 but has been struggling to expand sales in the
competitive U.S. market.

"Once you have the technology, the manufacturing know-how and the
brand name, the competitive landscape will be changed," said Tang,
who also heads the Asia Society's Southern California branch.

Tony Luh, managing director and co-founder of Dragon Venture Inc., a
San Jose-based venture capital firm specializing in China, said the
U.S. telecommunications sector was a likely place for future
purchases, given the aggressive expansion efforts of Huawei
Technologies Co., China's leading telecom firm. Huawei is reportedly
considering a bid for Britain's Marconi, which is up for sale.

China's growing need for strategic resources such as oil or iron ore
is also driving its investment push. China is already the world's
second-largest oil consumer, after the U.S., and a leading buyer of
coal, steel and other commodities needed to fuel its export-oriented
factories and domestic building boom.
CNOOC has yet to make public its intentions for Unocal. Wall Street,
however, was rife with rumors Tuesday that the government-controlled
oil company would offer to pay $71.50 a share in cash to snatch
Unocal away from Chevron.

A spokesman for El Segundo-based Unocal declined to comment on the
speculation.

Chevron spokesman Donald Campbell said the company couldn't comment
on the possible actions of another company. He did say, however,
that Chevron's commitment to buying Unocal was unwavering, and "the
offer accepted by the Unocal board is attractive and has a high
degree of certainty as to completion."

Under terms of a deal announced April 4, San Ramon, Calif.-based
Chevron agreed to pay about $62 in cash and stock for each Unocal
share. The total value of the deal, which fluctuates with the price
of Chevron's stock, was pegged at $16.4 billion when the acquisition
was announced.

The CNOOC bid, if successful, would be the first mainland Chinese
entry into the politically sensitive U.S. oil sector. But China's
leading state-owned companies have been investing heavily in oil,
natural gas and mineral projects around the world, including recent
deals in the Canadian oil sands, reportedly the largest oil reserve
after Saudi Arabia.
And in late 2003, China's Laiwu Steel Group teamed up with Cleveland-
Cliffs Inc., a Cleveland-based mining firm, to reopen a bankrupt
iron ore mine in an economically depressed region of northern
Minnesota.

Local officials and the steelworker union welcomed the Laiwu deal,
which not only helped resurrect a mine that now employs 425 people
but also saved more than 100 railroad and shipping jobs in the
region. To date, the partnership has agreed to invest more than $35
million for equipment and an expanded production line, said Rep.
James L. Oberstar (D-Minn.), who helped engineer the deal.

"If it keeps jobs here, it's damn good," he said, when asked about
Chinese investments in the U.S. economy.

But critics of China vowed to increase pressure on the Bush
administration to look more critically at China's investments in the
U.S. In the late 1990s, they foiled an effort by China Ocean
Shipping Co., China's giant state-owned shipping firm, to take over
a closed Navy base at the Port of Long Beach, alleging that the
Chinese could use that facility as a base for spying.
Rep. Richard W. Pombo (R-Tracy) and Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-El Cajon)
sent a letter Friday to President Bush urging him to initiate a
review of China's expansion in the energy arena, including any
future bid by CNOOC for Unocal. Under U.S. law, the Committee on
Foreign Investment in the United States, a Treasury Department
panel, is responsible for vetting any foreign purchases that could
threaten U.S. security.

C. Richard D'Amato, chairman of the U.S.-China Economic and Security
Review Commission, a congressional committee that has been sharply
critical of U.S. policy toward China, said the implications of
expanded Chinese investment were troubling because of the potential
for future conflicts with that growing Asian power.

In addition to the security issues, he said, the U.S. government
should consider the long-term threat to U.S. competitiveness.

"One danger, to put it bluntly, is that they can loot these
companies and move that technology and know-how to China over time,"
he said.
*

(BEGIN TEXT OF INFOBOX)

China's growing global interest

The Asian nation's appetite for foreign companies, particularly
those in the United States, is getting bigger. A sampling:

Maytag

An investor group led by Haier Group, an appliance manufacturer
owned by the Chinese government, has offered to buy the U.S. company
for $1.28 billion, Maytag said Monday.

Unocal

CNOOC, a state-owned Chinese oil company, is reportedly considering
bidding for Unocal.

Canadian energy companies

This spring, China National Offshore Oil bought a 17% stake in MEG
Energy in Canada, and another state-owned oil firm, Sinopec,
acquired a 40% interest in a $4.5-billion oil sands project in
Alberta, Canada.

IBM's PC unit

Big Blue announced in December that it was selling its money-losing
personal computer division to China's Lenovo Group for $1.25 billion.

RCA brand

Last year, China's TCL Group combined its television and DVD
operations with French company Thomson to create the world's leading
maker of televisions, built around the RCA brand.

Global Crossing

In 2002, China Netcom Communications Group, bought the Asian
subsidiary of the telecom giant for $1 billion.

Source: Times research

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/asiana...y/message/6578

**SMCengineer** · 05-19-2009, 09:59 AM

If you stop buying chinese "crap," what are you going to buy?

**Schmidty** · 05-19-2009, 10:40 AM

What about powders from china lol

**Dobie-BOY** · 05-19-2009, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by Schmidty

What about powders from china lol

Well, I think we can make an exception here.

Blome, Im not saying that we can not buy any chinese made products. Cuz we all know that would be impossible. BUT you can make a small effort to see where the product you are buying is made and see if there are any American made comparables. Alot of the time you cant find an American made version of the same product. So, the next best thing would be one made in Indonesia, Mexico Etc... chinese made only as your last resort.
Some have said earlier in this thread that china has helped us out by loaning us money. Well, do you think they did that because they want to help us or them? Does a bank give you a home loan because they really love your new home and think you will be really happy there or are they interested in the interest they will make from the loan? What happens if something happens and you cant repay the loan? You know what happens. THEY (the bank) NOW OWN YOUR HOME!!!! What would happen if America cant repay our debt to china? THEY OWN OUR HOME CALLED "AMERICA". Buy american when you can. Buy chinese as last resort. Here is a start, New balance shoes are made in America and cost no more than nike. Granted New Balance needs to quit making totally gay looking shoes, but the point is that there are often American made products competivly priced AND OF BETTER QUALITY. I did find one pair of New balance shoes on their website that are real cool looking. And guess what, IM BUYING THEM. It took some research to find the American made shoe that I liked, but Im proud to have done the research and now own a pair of shoes made by an American brother. Maybe your uncle, son, mother or friend will have a job because I made a conscious effort ot shop responsibly.

**Dobie-BOY** · 05-22-2009, 12:02 AM

Bump

**Bojangles69** · 05-22-2009, 12:07 AM

Chinas awesome, I shop there everyday

**JimInAK** · 05-22-2009, 03:18 AM

The problem is NOT China. They mostly have kept out of other nations business. The problem is our own internal corruption. We have sold ourselves out.

We imprison more people, we are hated all over the world because of our military actions, we claim to be some kind of moral beacon and we treat our own people like crap.

Our politicians are liars and we the people either buy all their phony bullshit or we don't even show up to vote. We have the best politicians that money can buy, but the problem is it's not the silent majority that have bought them.

Obvious problems include the fact they we don't obey the constitution, because our judicial system is corrupt. We don't recognize simple rights, such as those professed by the fully informed jury movement. We have immunity for government workers, which creates a situation where every common American is a second class citizen, serving under the will of the ruling government class.

Don't look across the ocean and blame THEM, look in the mirror and blame YOURSELF... if you want to begin to consider what to do to effectively change the future, if not for yourself for your children and grandchildren.

Harsh but brutally true, from my perspective.

**jbm** · 05-22-2009, 03:21 AM

**jbm** · 05-22-2009, 03:25 AM

**jbm** · 05-22-2009, 03:26 AM

**JimInAK** · 05-22-2009, 03:36 AM

The Chinese make affordable and quality HGH. I have done business with Chinese people and have found them to be honest, more honest than most Americans I have done business with. They are people, just like we are. They want the same things that we want and they are willing to work to achieve their goals.

Their government sucks, but that's their problem and I hope that they can fix their problems. Our government is no better, from what I have seen and have experienced.

If we are to fix our problems we must look within... then enemy (if you must have someone to fight or to blame) is ourselves.

**jbm** · 05-22-2009, 03:47 AM

Good for you. You got a good experience with them.
Just wanna share mine. Last year my wife and I went to China for a tour, this big jewelry shop sold me this golden bracelet, the owner told us that this bracelet is pure china gold, it's scratch proof and it will never fade. He even told us that is has warranty for 1 year no questions ask they will replace it. So when we got home, after 2 months the gold starts to fade to silver. Do you think I will go back to China and exchange it? Of course not! airfare and hotel will cost me more than exchanging this fvcking fake bracelet...

**jbm** · 05-22-2009, 04:15 AM

They even do fake or copied cars!

**jbm** · 05-22-2009, 04:19 AM

**jbm** · 05-22-2009, 04:24 AM

**JimInAK** · 05-22-2009, 09:19 PM

Their copied HGH is pretty good, too. I couldn't afford to do HGH the all-American way: Pay a doctor $500, pay another $500 for tests, and then pay $40/day for real American hormone.

Over 1000 people every day in every state in America gets cheated, that's not exclusively a Chinese trait. Your Chinese experience is repeated in America more times than you can count daily. I respect your opinion and would follow your advise, if I thought it would be effective and would help our country and our citizens.

I'm against totally free trade and it's wrong to buy a product from people who do not make a decent, living wage for their honest work. But as long as OUR SYSTEM is corrupt, boycotting them will not fix the problem.

PS - I went to Mexico for dental work because I have no insurance and think it's ridiculous to play over $8000 for what I can get for less than $2000 in Mexico. The American dentists priced themselves right out of the market, as far as I am concerned. I have no sympathy for the greedy. They should be happy to make $50 to $100 an hour, but that was not enough.

**Tock** · 05-25-2009, 12:27 PM

Thanks to cheap computers and cheap international communication technology and cheap overseas labor,
more and more consumer products are made overseas.
More and more information-laden products & services are done overseas, from software (and software support) to heart surgery. Hospitals are starting to send patient's X-rays to overseas radiologists (putting US radiologists out of work). I know several people who had amazing open heart surgery in Thailand with stem cells for $50,000 that wasn't even available in the US.

Yep, may as well get used to it. Computers and international communication technology will inevitably result in the homogenization of living standards. Poor people overseas will get richer, the US middleclass will have to get used to a lower standard of living, thanks to international labor competition.

Sorry, but that's the way it's going to be from now on.

**Dobie-BOY** · 05-26-2009, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by Tock

Thanks to cheap computers and cheap international communication technology and cheap overseas labor,
more and more consumer products are made overseas.
More and more information-laden products & services are done overseas, from software (and software support) to heart surgery. Hospitals are starting to send patient's X-rays to overseas radiologists (putting US radiologists out of work). I know several people who had amazing open heart surgery in Thailand with stem cells for $50,000 that wasn't even available in the US.

Yep, may as well get used to it. Computers and international communication technology will inevitably result in the homogenization of living standards. Poor people overseas will get richer, the US middleclass will have to get used to a lower standard of living, thanks to international labor competition.

Sorry, but that's the way it's going to be from now on.

Yep, I agree with most of what you say, but I don't think we should just lay down and accept it. I do believe we can do something about it.
And JBM you are out of your mind. You need to check your information. I never said that Chinese people are bad, I said that the chinese gov't sucks. You act like the chinese gov't is just the problem of the chinese citizens.
I can't believe that so many people on this board can sit around and talk so much shiit on their own country and then talk about how good china, mexico Etc... are. America is far from perfect, but its still the best nation on earth. One final note; the other nations which don't like the USA are jealous. FOR THE MOST PART its really that simple.