Bye Bye Tren Xtreme

**peachfuzz** · 07-24-2009, 01:57 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009...ment-Raid.html

BALCO Agent Searches for Steroids in Supplements
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By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: July 24, 2009
Filed at 12:36 a.m. ET

The investigator who led the BALCO probe has taken aim at a San Francisco-area supplement manufacturer, claiming the products they sell are laced with designer steroids.

Authorities filed a search warrant under seal Tuesday in federal court to raid the home of American Cellular Labs CEO Maurice Sandoval and a Max Muscle supplement store he's associated with for evidence the company sells steroids under the guise of a supplement.

The court documents were made available to the public Thursday.

In an affidavit, Jeff Novitzky, special agent for the Food and Drug Administration, said the company's products Tren Xtreme and Mass Extreme contained designer steroids ''Tren'' and ''Madol,'' which were identified during the investigation into the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative.

Novitzky led the way on BALCO, the focal point of a scandal involving performance-enhancing drugs that included top-level athletes, including Marion Jones, Tim Montgomery and Barry Bonds.

Novitzky used some of the same techniques he employed in BALCO to gather evidence supporting the search warrant in this case, including digging through the trash outside Sandoval's house in Pacifica, Calif.

Travis Tygart, the CEO of the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency, said the raid was welcome news about a multibillion-dollar industry that is not as stringently regulated as the drug industry.

''It ought to give clean athletes renewed hope that the 'A Team' that was on BALCO is still out there, protecting their rights by continuing to do their best to shut down places that are putting designer steroids out,'' Tygart said.

Data seized by investigators could include lists of purchasers of the company's products. Although major sports and Olympic sports test for Madol and Tren, the drugs are not widely tested for in high schools, many of which have started testing programs in recent years.

Novitzky wrote in the affidavit about his conversation with a salesman at a San Francisco Max Muscle store, who said he would not sell the products to high school kids because there were too many side effects.

Novitzky did not identify himself to the salesman, who told him about a proposed rule to label the products anabolic steroids and said the products would not be around for long because of increased investigations by the FDA into the supplement industry.

The FDA regulates the industry, though some studies show steroids make their way into a number of supplements.

Steve Mister, president of the Council for Responsible Nutrition that represents the supplement industry, conceded in an interview last month that the industry was not spotless.

''There are some small manufacturers who don't always abide by rules and regulations that are in place,'' he said. ''But there's an awful lot of regulation in this industry and to say there isn't, that's false.''

Council spokeswoman Judy Blatman said she couldn't comment on a legal matter.

''But if a company is putting steroids in a product, it's an adulterated product, an unapproved drug, but it's not a dietary supplement,'' she said.

**Immortal Soldier** · 07-24-2009, 09:19 PM

Any Tren prohormone product is garbage, good to see the government cares about quality control of the pro-hormone market

**dedic8ed1** · 07-25-2009, 06:18 AM

Originally Posted by Immortal Soldier

Any Tren prohormone product is garbage, good to see the government cares about quality control of the pro-hormone market

Actually Tren Extreme and Super drol have worked very well for a lot of users.Clear indication there's real shit in them cause they were pulled off the market so quickly.

**macsurfin** · 07-25-2009, 11:00 AM

there getting the best of them

**Immortal Soldier** · 07-25-2009, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by dedic8ed1

Actually Tren Extreme and Super drol have worked very well for a lot of users.Clear indication there's real shit in them cause they were pulled off the market so quickly.

Superdrol is still on the market under hundreds of clone names and comparing superdrol and tren extreme is ignornat. Superdrol is actual active ingrident (designer steroid ) that mimics its parent hormone (masteron ). Tren Pro-hormone products are stupid because they aren't actually tren at all but rather a supposed "analogue" that converts very poorly (less than 6%) to any actual anabolic hormone. The reason why I don't believe that its tren at all is because oral tren was already developed in the 1960's and is available today by some steroid sources and it is VERY TOXIC on the body, so toxic that the pharmacuetical company that originally produced it decided it was to toxic on the liver to be worth medical significance. A pro-hormone equivalent (something that converts into tren in the body) would if done right still blow Superdrol away in both side effects and gains. Yet with all the tren prohormone products i have not seen that, thus I believe whatever compound they are using doesnt even turn into tren in the body, but rather another anabolic hormone.

I remember over at bb there was a debate over the tren products and it came to fruition that many didnt even contain tren and only a select could possibly convert to precursor of tren. At least thats what I remember.

Also just because a product is pulled doesnt mean it was pulled because it was so "good", just last year in June 100+ compounds were banned under similar circumstances and some of those banned were Bold200 by Iforce which was a non-methyl very very "easy" beginners compounds.

**peachfuzz** · 07-25-2009, 01:37 PM

tren xtreme = dienelone for anyone interested

**peachfuzz** · 07-25-2009, 01:39 PM

also the mass xtreme (aka madol or DMT) has already been banned in the past just as superdrol but still is available through a million companies.

i will say that im glad tren xtreme is is being pulled. that shit was so freakin toxic and every high school kid and their mother was on it.

**Reed** · 07-25-2009, 01:42 PM

Bye bye peachfuzz

**peachfuzz** · 07-25-2009, 01:45 PM

guess ill be leaving now

**Immortal Soldier** · 07-25-2009, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by peachfuzz;4779***

tren xtreme = dienelone for anyone interested

Tell me a little about dienelone

**Reed** · 07-25-2009, 01:59 PM

I'll pull some info up in a bit on it. man you should have seen some of the discussions me and the ole fuzz use to have a while back on these damn prohormones. We were going Patrick Arnold on a motherfvcker

**peachfuzz** · 07-25-2009, 02:03 PM

I dont have alot of info on it as it is relatively obscure

on my other computer i have some things saved i can pull up when i get home

its what i always thought it was and just recently it is what the FDA concluded it was.

**B4ckfire479** · 07-26-2009, 04:33 PM

Seems there's gonna be no good "candy" left

**DSM4Life** · 07-26-2009, 04:38 PM

Reed , you look a little bloated in your avatar.

**vingtor** · 07-26-2009, 04:48 PM

well companys get away with it, look at IDS labs, mass tas got methylsten in it... but tell me more about tren xtreme and this mass xtreme? this gym i go to sell it just curious how they can, and Amercian Cellular can sell it if its banned.

**Immortal Soldier** · 07-26-2009, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by vingtor

well companys get away with it, look at IDS labs, mass tas got methylsten in it... but tell me more about tren xtreme and this mass xtreme? this gym i go to sell it just curious how they can, and Amercian Cellular can sell it if its banned.

It's not tren , its some obscure compound that the pro-hormone tries to convert to.

IMO, just stick with SD its proven to work and its the best.

**vingtor** · 07-26-2009, 05:54 PM

whats SD?

**Alphatier** · 07-26-2009, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by vingtor

whats SD?

Superdrol...

**Immortal Soldier** · 07-26-2009, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by vingtor

whats SD?

...

Superdrol (now available under names such as m-drol, methadrol, massdrol, etc.)

**peachfuzz** · 07-26-2009, 10:34 PM

i thought it was save my duck?

**youngmoney** · 05-12-2010, 07:44 PM

Im looking into doing a M-drol(2a,17a-dimethyl-etiocholan-3-one-17b-ol) and Tren xtreme(19-norandrosta-4,9-diene-3b,17b-dione) stack in the mid summer, end of june-beginning of july.Also taking Hawthorne berry, taurine, milk thistle, and h-bomb-4(estrogen blocker) during my cycle. I was thinking about running it for 4 weeks dossed at-
1st week-mdrol 20mg, tren 60mg
2nd week-mdrol 20mg, tren 90mg
3rd week-mdrol 30 mg, tren 90 mg
4th week-mdrol 30 mg, tren 90 mg.
for the post i will be taking nolvadex (tamoxifen ) for 6 weeks 20mgs/day
my past cycles i have done trenxtreme for 4 weeks 30/60/90/90 and have done
m-drol for 4 weeks 10/10/20/20. I have got blood work done and all levels are stable.my diet will consist of 3500-4000 calories and 300-350 grams of protein a day. I get most of my carbohydrates from fruits, most of my proteins from poultry and light meat such as; grilled chicken and salmon. I have done countless hours of research and now i have come down to this layout of a cycle and was wondering what other people have to say about it.Any changes or recommendations i should take into consideration?

**Hoggage_54** · 05-12-2010, 07:54 PM

lol....

Where's peach been these days? Haven't see him around the lounge

**peachfuzz** · 05-12-2010, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by youngmoney

Im looking into doing a M-drol(2a,17a-dimethyl-etiocholan-3-one-17b-ol) and Tren xtreme(19-norandrosta-4,9-diene-3b,17b-dione) stack in the mid summer, end of june-beginning of july.Also taking Hawthorne berry, taurine, milk thistle, and h-bomb-4(estrogen blocker) during my cycle. I was thinking about running it for 4 weeks dossed at-
1st week-mdrol 20mg, tren 60mg
2nd week-mdrol 20mg, tren 90mg
3rd week-mdrol 30 mg, tren 90 mg
4th week-mdrol 30 mg, tren 90 mg.
for the post i will be taking nolvadex (tamoxifen ) for 6 weeks 20mgs/day
my past cycles i have done trenxtreme for 4 weeks 30/60/90/90 and have done
m-drol for 4 weeks 10/10/20/20. I have got blood work done and all levels are stable.my diet will consist of 3500-4000 calories and 300-350 grams of protein a day. I get most of my carbohydrates from fruits, most of my proteins from poultry and light meat such as; grilled chicken and salmon. I have done countless hours of research and now i have come down to this layout of a cycle and was wondering what other people have to say about it.Any changes or recommendations i should take into consideration?

you liver and kidneys are going to hate you.

Originally Posted by Hoggage_54

lol....

Where's peach been these days? Haven't see him around the lounge

you called?

**AlphaGenetics** · 05-12-2010, 10:18 PM

All the research you did and thats the cycle you came up with??!!

**youngmoney** · 05-13-2010, 07:17 PM

ya, i was thinking about doing an e-stane/h-drol cycle but ive decided to run trenx and mdrol instead.its quite a difference but if i feel somethings wrong im going to stop the cycle and run the serm right away.

**youngmoney** · 05-13-2010, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by AlphaGenetics

All the research you did and thats the cycle you came up with??!!

what cycle would you reccomend running?i have h-drol, e-stane, m-drol, tren xtreme and h-bomb-4.

**Big** · 05-13-2010, 07:24 PM

there are even older threads in the lounge you could bump with your supplement questions....

**Kibble** · 05-13-2010, 07:34 PM

lol oh man.

Youngmoney, make sure you check the dates on the threads, and also the content. Your question was irrelevant to this thread. Go to the supplement section like Big said. Okinawa Power posts in there, and he has quite a bit of experience with prohormones and SARMS

**youngmoney** · 05-13-2010, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by BigKuntry1984

lol oh man.

Youngmoney, make sure you check the dates on the threads, and also the content. Your question was irrelevant to this thread. Go to the supplement section like Big said. Okinawa Power posts in there, and he has quite a bit of experience with prohormones and SARMS

ok thanks ill be sure to do that.