How old were you when you went to the dark side?

[Hazard]

19..... definately regret it. Wasn't ready but thought I was.....

I'm sure i'll be blesed with low testosterone for life but i'll deal with it later on.

I came back to aas when I was 25. I was much better prepared and i'm the biggest i've ever been right now.

~Haz~

[gettingthere]

Thanks guys for the responses, its good to see the age gaps etc and the experiences you have had!! anyonw get any real side effects? none of my mates got side effects which i find amazing that none of them experienced it, maybe through good pct and knowledge is what helped them

[Matt]

Everyone gets side effects bro, everyone.........

[Hazard]

Thanks guys for the responses, its good to see the age gaps etc and the experiences you have had!! anyonw get any real side effects? none of my mates got side effects which i find amazing that none of them experienced it, maybe through good pct and knowledge is what helped them

They may not have affected their immediate future..... but 10-20 years down the road could tell a different story.....

~Haz~

[Matt]

They may not have affected their immediate future..... but 10-20 years down the road could tell a different story.....

~Haz~

Its impossible to use aas without sides, thats a fact bro....

[Hazard]

Its impossible to use aas without sides, thats a fact bro....

without a doubt..... I was concuring LOL

Shutting down natty test is a side effect......

~Haz~

[gixxerboy1]

[thegodfather]

They may not have affected their immediate future..... but 10-20 years down the road could tell a different story.....

~Haz~

Ya know Haz, that statement is repeated ad nauseum on this board and many others regarding AAS. However, I've yet to see one peer reviewed research journal publish any significant information on the topic to support such claims. Until such a time, I think that those claims are completely unsubstantiated and more a matter of conjecture. Unless there is damage to the HPTA, at either the testicular/leydig cell level, or at the pituitary level, then there is no conceivable medical explanation as to why HPTA function would 'never recover.' Of course it is a topic which warrants more investigation, but I think that by in large it is just repeated over and over again, and we have no business doing so because there is no evidence to support it.

The only evidence presently, is anecdotal at best, from members of the boards who were long term users and allege permanent HPTA impairment. Without knowing any of their medical histories, duration of use, dosages used, and co morbidity, it's impossible for us to draw a causative analysis of long term steroid use leading to HPTA impairment permanently.

I think that there are many good intentions by members telling younger users to stay away from steroids , it might "shut you down permanently," but there is no peer reviewed evidence for such claims. I believe it's akin to those who aren't educated on AAS proclaiming things like "roid rage " and steroids "shrinking your dick." It's ok to advise younger people to avoid steroid use, but lets be honest with them and stick to reasons which make sense and that can be substantiated by medical evidence.

Thats my opinion at least...btw Haz, I haven't heard from you in a while so give me a ring when you get a chance bro...

[BJJ]

...36...

[Bossman]

Ya know Haz, that statement is repeated ad nauseum on this board and many others regarding AAS. However, I've yet to see one peer reviewed research journal publish any significant information on the topic to support such claims. Until such a time, I think that those claims are completely unsubstantiated and more a matter of conjecture. Unless there is damage to the HPTA, at either the testicular/leydig cell level, or at the pituitary level, then there is no conceivable medical explanation as to why HPTA function would 'never recover.' Of course it is a topic which warrants more investigation, but I think that by in large it is just repeated over and over again, and we have no business doing so because there is no evidence to support it.

The only evidence presently, is anecdotal at best, from members of the boards who were long term users and allege permanent HPTA impairment. Without knowing any of their medical histories, duration of use, dosages used, and co morbidity, it's impossible for us to draw a causative analysis of long term steroid use leading to HPTA impairment permanently.

I think that there are many good intentions by members telling younger users to stay away from steroids , it might "shut you down permanently," but there is no peer reviewed evidence for such claims. I believe it's akin to those who aren't educated on AAS proclaiming things like "roid rage " and steroids "shrinking your dick." It's ok to advise younger people to avoid steroid use, but lets be honest with them and stick to reasons which make sense and that can be substantiated by medical evidence.

Thats my opinion at least...btw Haz, I haven't heard from you in a while so give me a ring when you get a chance bro...

I can tell you from my "experience", that I know several 20 something yr olds that have been prescribed TRT from varying levels of steroid use. One (21 yrs old) used a long cycle of test/tren (16 weeks) and could not recover even from a thorough PCT. Individuals are different, and the ability to recover must vary. I can tell you ALL of the guys I know that use steroids , and consult a DR for BW, see a consistant lowering of test levels after recovery even with using PCT. I know guys that have stopped use for years and have not recovered to normal levels. TRT seems to be the only option.

I believe if you're going to cycle you should accept the fact that the chance of permanently damaging your HPTA is very strong. The fact that I've seen so many young guys have serious issues doesn't suggest age is as big a factor as one would think. But the problem with younger users seems to be they do the least amount of research and will subject themselves to a greater risk. This makes it even more important to drive home the possible dangers of using AAS when you're not prepared.

You can call this anecdoctal, but I bet none of these case studies I've witnessed show up in any study. But they are very real.

There is no substitute for experience.

[Hazard]

Ya know Haz, that statement is repeated ad nauseum on this board and many others regarding AAS. However, I've yet to see one peer reviewed research journal publish any significant information on the topic to support such claims. Until such a time, I think that those claims are completely unsubstantiated and more a matter of conjecture. Unless there is damage to the HPTA, at either the testicular/leydig cell level, or at the pituitary level, then there is no conceivable medical explanation as to why HPTA function would 'never recover.' Of course it is a topic which warrants more investigation, but I think that by in large it is just repeated over and over again, and we have no business doing so because there is no evidence to support it.

The only evidence presently, is anecdotal at best, from members of the boards who were long term users and allege permanent HPTA impairment. Without knowing any of their medical histories, duration of use, dosages used, and co morbidity, it's impossible for us to draw a causative analysis of long term steroid use leading to HPTA impairment permanently.

I think that there are many good intentions by members telling younger users to stay away from steroids , it might "shut you down permanently," but there is no peer reviewed evidence for such claims. I believe it's akin to those who aren't educated on AAS proclaiming things like "roid rage " and steroids "shrinking your dick." It's ok to advise younger people to avoid steroid use, but lets be honest with them and stick to reasons which make sense and that can be substantiated by medical evidence.

Thats my opinion at least...btw Haz, I haven't heard from you in a while so give me a ring when you get a chance bro...

I see what you mean however..... ones HPTA may not be fully developed before they use aas. This could prevent full development.... no?

BTW - I been around..... been busy with work lately. I'll txt you today.....

~Haz~

[calgarian]

...36...

old fart

[BJJ]

old fart

... my biological age is 27, lol

[calgarian]

... my biological age is 27, lol

then next time choose a number of 69 at least it has some meaning to it