for VETS or people with exp. do not want to come off. 25 years old

**bjpennnn** · 09-24-2010, 10:42 PM

Hey guys, well first off I just wanted to say that I was mia for a while studying for my GRE, took another certification program i am doing for drug counseling, and hammered out some summer courses and thats the reasoning for the mia. I deactivated my facebook as well during this time, because between this site, facebook and all the other little distracting things on the internet i probably spend at LEAST 3 hours a day on the sites. So i basically gained three hours everyday that I needed to reach my other goals in life.

anyways...

So during that time I was also running a 350mg ew mast 350mg ew test prop and 100mg ed anavar cycle. I ran that from june 24th to sept 10. Since then i am only running the test. I look like a shorter version of ****en HE-MAN. I grew out my chest hair ha and got the beast mode happy stomach hair and i feel amazing.

I do not want to come off though. I am sitting at 175 at the moment at 5-6. I am going to stay on for a few more weeks for sure then...either come off or stay on lower doses of just test.

I know all the potential side effects and everything at my age. I have been around these forums soaking up everything for a long time. I know this might seem crazy but when i am on test i excel in everything 100% more. school, women, gym, motivation in general. I am an addict i was addicted to opiates for a long long time. So i know i have the tendencies to be addicted to things i will be the first to admit, but i am not addicted to it in that sense. I just have so many personal goals that i want to accomplish and i feel like the test helps me haha.

I am crazy i know. I dont need people to flame. i do want people to share personal experience.

No at the moment i do not want kids, and if i want kids i am going to adopt. I know that may change one day but i have a pretty strong belief in there are to many kids out there who need homes. and i do not want to pass on the shittty ****en drug addict/alcoholic genes i have to any one ha.

**Kale** · 09-24-2010, 11:01 PM

Well your a big boy with a brain. You have done the research, you know the risks so its really your choice. Personally at your age I wouldn't but that's me. As for kids, you say that now but that could change if you meet the right chic. And by the way you should be a lot heavier than that for the cycles you have done IMHO. What weight did you start at ?

**Knockout_Power** · 09-24-2010, 11:08 PM

This is all personal preference, but I agree with Kale that your age is a bit young to make this decision. You know the risks, there are ways to minimize the chances of requiring HRT so you should make the call. I too am considering this route as I love being on test, even when down @ 200/wk like I currently am. That being said, Im almost 32 and I still think Im a bit too young to start down that path.

**bjpennnn** · 09-24-2010, 11:08 PM

I have been on a constant cut for the last 2 cycles. I do not want to get any bigger just because i cant wear the clothes i want to. You are rite. I need to ****en man up. i lost three percent bf hydro statically tested from when i started to date. i am exactly were i want to be. It totally doable at my height and size i know, because i have done it naturally but i have never been able to be at this bf and be this size. I was also taking 100mg ed of ephedrine on again off again through the whole course of everything.

I am glad you are the first person to post. it just makes sense to come off. But i just see myself going on hrt when i am 30. so i am thinking why not just jump on now (childish and naive i know). ****kkkk time to start hgh.

**Knockout_Power** · 09-24-2010, 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by bjpennnn

****kkkk time to start hgh.

thats a very expensive commitment and be sure to get from a reliable source... some nasty horror stories going around about fake GH

**bjpennnn** · 09-24-2010, 11:10 PM

Thank you both for your reply's. Its like i know what to do, but i dont want to. but i am going to do the rite thing. thank you guys.

**bjpennnn** · 09-24-2010, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by Knockout_Power

thats a very expensive commitment and be sure to get from a reliable source... some nasty horror stories going around about fake GH

yes I know i was following the hgh long ass thread in the hgh section were many mods vets talking about fake hgh i need to go check it out. any break throughs?

**Knockout_Power** · 09-24-2010, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by bjpennnn

Thank you both for your reply's. Its like i know what to do, but i dont want to. but i am going to do the rite thing. thank you guys.

no worries... Im sure at least 90% of these members have thought the same thing.... cant beat the feeling while on cycle. Its only natural, even though we are not =)

**thegodfather** · 09-25-2010, 02:20 AM

Originally Posted by bjpennnn

I know all the potential side effects and everything at my age. I have been around these forums soaking up everything for a long time. I know this might seem crazy but when i am on test i excel in everything 100% more. school, women, gym, motivation in general. I am an addict i was addicted to opiates for a long long time. So i know i have the tendencies to be addicted to things i will be the first to admit, but i am not addicted to it in that sense. I just have so many personal goals that i want to accomplish and i feel like the test helps me haha.

BJ,

Please dont take this personally. But if you divorce yourself from your statements, or place your statements in the mouths of one of your patients that you are counseling, and change the drug of choice, you may understand where I'm coming from. The idea that a SUBSTANCE helps you to do "ALL" of these things better, is addict mentality. There are those people who feel that opiates make them more outgoing, give them energy, helps them cope with such and such.

Brother, I think if there is anything that a person could be addicted to and be healthy, then of course, LIFTING AND JUICE are probably the best option. However, that being said, there are real risks involved with the prolonged use of exogenous hormones. I am not talking about possible hypothetical damage to your HPTA, as there is no peer reviewed evidence which indicates that your HPTA can ever be perminantly shut down from the use of exogenous hormones, although there are certainly plenty of anecdotal instances among the various forums.

The risks I'm speaking about are the deleterious effects on your HDL&LDL cholesterol (High Density Lipoproteins, and Low Density Lipoproteins). Prolonged use of exogenous testosterone can lower your HDL and raise your LDL, significantly increasing your risk for stroke and heart attack. In addition, exogenous testosterone causes a raise in your level of Red Blood Cells (RBCs), which results in a thickening of the blood. This can cause dangerous clots to form, which is also an indication for stroke and heart attack. These are some of the primary reasons for CYCLING on and off of steroids , and for having time on = time off rule. Those who are on HRT, are monitored by a physician, and have bloodwork done periodically to see if any of a number of lab values are moving into dangerous levels which could put a person at risk for a medical complication from the hormone therapy. It would be absolutely reckless to embark on this path without the guidance and consultation of a physician to monitor your bloodwork and lab values.

Additionally as other members brought up, your source for hormones must be impeccable. You are going to be putting a substantially higher amount of oils, solvents, and hormones into your body than the average guy who cycles. This means, that while those of us who cycle may be able to get away with using "underground gear" that is made from overseas steroid powders, someone like yourself should not be on such products indefinately. Pharmaceutical grade is the only route that should be taken for such long term use. Many of the oils and solvents used by underground labs are not USP grade, meaning they may contain impurities and contamination. Additionally, the powders themselves (the active hormone, the raw material which is suspended by oil and BA/BB) are often not 99-100% pure. This means, that if you have 100 grams of powder, and it is 97% pure, 3 grams of that powder is an unknown impurity. That impurity could be anything, it could be a heavy metal like lead or mercury. It could be a dangerous byproduct of the production process if the company producing it is cutting corners. In the case of UGL gear, we have no idea who is producing their powders, and to be honest, most UGL's have no idea who is producing their powders, and to what standards, and with what quality. The implications of injecting gear which contains such impurities over a 12 week period, occasionally, are not substantial. However, you are talking about using gear that can contain such impurities from the age of 25 till the end of your life. Such impurities can be detrimental to your health. Additionally, if there are steps skipped in the manufacturing process of the raw steroid powder, you can end up with such things as Peak X or Peak E, look up those terms in relation to L-Tryptophan, which caused undifferentiated fibromyalgia in people who used this seemingly safe supplement. Where was the raw material (powder) produced? China, of course. And the impurities were in there because the company's were cutting corners in order to maximize profits.

My point BJ? When considering whether to run a drug for the entirety of ones life, the number of variables (unknowns) become exponentially more important, and the number of things which someone must consider go up as well. Give those things some thought brother. If your physique is where you want it to be, maybe you can try to maintain naturally, and cycle periodically. You only get one body in this life brother. Good luck.

**stevey_6t9** · 09-25-2010, 03:21 AM

your mentality is alot like mine bj although im alot younger and i actually looking forward to be on TRT and never come off. Its a dangerous mentality that right now you wont realize how bad it is until your older and regret it

**bjpennnn** · 09-25-2010, 04:33 AM

ya man i feel everything everyone is saying. and i know what you mean when you say addicted to the substace. The point is i am at a point in my life were i am able to stay up late wake up not as tired my body can power through things i am never getting sick with the crazy schedule i have. just saying i like it for that reason.

and trust me i dont take is personally. that is why i came out in front and said i am an addict. i want you to know the perspective that i come from with certian things i am nto trying to hide it. It can be a weakness but i know people in AA that have no problem with gear. not that it matters anyone can say anything...

**bjpennnn** · 09-25-2010, 04:39 AM

i will be around a lot more too, you guys are all too funny looking through the ar lounge ha. missed all you little whores.

**tembe** · 09-25-2010, 06:14 AM

check ur pms bj

**DSM4Life** · 09-25-2010, 06:16 AM

As far as kids, give me me some sperm and ill hold on to it for you.

**dec11** · 09-25-2010, 08:14 AM

ive decided to stay on low dose as my nat system was buckled and i actually got weaker and smaller after cycles than i had been naturally. i didnt touch gear until 32, im now 35 so i had hit my natural potiential. i'd say that at your age you should prob cycle on and off rather than commiting yourself to hrt. as for the GH, if you get proper pharma grade you can use say 2ius pd and ramp it up during a cycle to cut on cost.although i dont mind trt id say if i were to do it all again i'd prob not touch aas, i was never aware of the up and down in gains (my lack of research, i know) and the sinking feeling after pct's. as for the kids part, you may change your mind on that, im settled with someone and we both dont want kids so its not an issue for me, at 25 it may become an issue for you.