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    Oldest known galaxy found

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    WASHINGTON – Astronomers believe they've found the oldest thing they've ever seen in the universe: It's a galaxy far, far away from a time long, long ago.
    Hidden in a Hubble Space Telescope photo released earlier this year is a small smudge of light that European astronomers now calculate is a galaxy from 13.1 billion years ago. That's a time when the universe was very young, just shy of 600 million years old. That would make it the earliest and most distant galaxy seen so far.
    By now the galaxy is so ancient it probably doesn't exist in its earlier form and has already merged into bigger neighbors, said Matthew Lehnert of the Paris Observatory, lead author of the study published online Wednesday in the journal Nature.

    "We're looking at the universe when it was a 20th of its current age," said California Institute of Technology astronomy professor Richard Ellis, who wasn't part of the discovery team. "In human terms, we're looking at a 4-year-old boy in the life span of an adult."
    While Ellis finds the basis for the study "pretty good," there have been other claims about the age of distant space objects that have not held up to scrutiny. And some experts have questions about this one. But even the skeptics praised the study as important and interesting.
    The European astronomers calculated the age after 16 hours of observations from a telescope in Chile that looked at light signatures of cooling hydrogen gas.
    Earlier this year, astronomers had made a general estimate of 600 to 800 million years after the Big Bang for the most distant fuzzy points of light in the Hubble photograph, which was presented at an astronomy meeting back in January.

    In the new study, researchers focused on a single galaxy in their analysis of hydrogen's light signature, further pinpointing the age. Garth Illingworth of the University of California, Santa Cruz, who was the scientist behind the Hubble image, said it provides confirmation for the age using a different method, something he called amazing "for such faint objects."
    The new galaxy doesn't have a name — just a series of letters and numbers. So Lehnert said he and colleagues have called it "the high red-shift blob. "Because it takes so long for the light to travel such a vast time and distance, astronomers are seeing what the galaxy looked like 13.1 billion years ago at a time when it was quite young — maybe even as young as 100 million years old — Lehnert said. It has very little of the carbon or metal that we see in more mature stars and is full of young, blue massive stars, he said.

    What's most interesting to astronomers is that this finding fits with theories about when the first stars and galaxies were born. This galaxy would have formed not too soon after them.
    "We're looking almost to the edge, almost within 100 million years of seeing the very first objects," Ellis said. "One hundred million years to a human seems an awful long time, but in astronomical time periods, that's nothing compared to the life of the stars."

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    Wild stuff! Love cosmology! We should be getting a good meteor shower coming up here in central NY!

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    I heard this galaxy is so old that Marcus was the first to settle on it

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    Quote Originally Posted by bruary17 View Post
    Wild stuff! Love cosmology!
    Yep. I find this stuff really, really fascinating....

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    Quote Originally Posted by D7M View Post
    Yep. I find this stuff really, really fascinating....
    Nerd alert!

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    haha...yep. I'm a total nerd and proud of it!

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    I'm right there with you.

    I can't imagine what the next 10-30 years of technology will bring while I'm still around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D7M View Post
    haha...yep. I'm a total nerd and proud of it!
    nothing wrong with that... took 2 years of astrology while I was figuring out which career I would do to make sure I didnt enjoy the rest of my life.

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    <--astroLOGY
    <--astroNOMY

    let us not confuse the two

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    LOVE this stuff! Thanks D7!

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    I'm a fvckin nerd too.....

    I also can't wait to see what we find in the next 30 years or so..... if i'm still around.....

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    You know, prehaps the speed of light cant be broken, prehaps we'll do little more than colonise the solar system, but i believe the technology exists to "map" the entire Universe.

    Everytime you look at a star, you are looking backward in time. I wonder if its possible to find the big bang out there, which would obviously be the furthest distance of the Universe.

    I mean that story is amazing, i mean the fact that this telescope has only just picked up the light of a galaxy that probably doesnt exist anymore. Billions of stars that probably died long, long ago...

    EDIT: I mean think about it, there could have be intelligent life there, life like ours, that accomplished everything, but now long gone.

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    Me and my GF watch all this kind of shit on Discovery Channel and shit all the time.... Fuken love it...

    Of course, YOU of all people posted this info up!

    Quote Originally Posted by Knockout_Power View Post
    I heard this galaxy is so old that Marcus was the first to settle on it
    ^^ Someone take a screen shot, its the first time KP said something funny!!
    Last edited by Bertuzzi; 10-21-2010 at 09:37 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HitIt View Post
    <--astroLOGY
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    let us not confuse the two
    you want to know the worst part, I actually meant to write astronomy... note to self, stop typing, you are no good at it

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    i figured as people do it all the time, but the funny thing is taking astrology whilst pondering your future could make sense as well..but, you don't come off as a palm reader.

    at least you didn't confuse cosmology with cosmetology

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    Quote Originally Posted by HitIt View Post
    i figured as people do it all the time, but the funny thing is taking astrology whilst pondering your future could make sense as well..but, you don't come off as a palm reader.
    no, my palms are usually busy taking care of the present... and by present, I mean my cack!

    for the record, my girl thinks its a present as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knockout_Power View Post
    no, my palms are usually busy taking care of the present... and by present, I mean my cack!

    for the record, my girl thinks its a present as well.
    Your Girl.... So is it official now??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flagg View Post
    You know, prehaps the speed of light cant be broken, prehaps we'll do little more than colonise the solar system, but i believe the technology exists to "map" the entire Universe.

    Everytime you look at a star, you are looking backward in time. I wonder if its possible to find the big bang out there, which would obviously be the furthest distance of the Universe.

    I mean that story is amazing, i mean the fact that this telescope has only just picked up the light of a galaxy that probably doesnt exist anymore. Billions of stars that probably died long, long ago...

    EDIT: I mean think about it, there could have be intelligent life there, life like ours, that accomplished everything, but now long gone.
    Never happen. If the big bang did happen, it happened before photons developed. With no visible light, we will never be able to "see" it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Times Roman View Post
    Never happen. If the big bang did happen, it happened before photons developed. With no visible light, we will never be able to "see" it.
    Luckily now though we have protons with which we can clearly see Uranus.

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