Mom in Spain happy that her 10-year-old gave birth

[Times Roman]

I had to shudder when I read this. My daughter is 12.......

Mom in Spain happy that her 10-year-old gave birth

EmailPrint..By ALAN CLENDENNING, Associated Press Alan Clendenning, Associated Press – 1 hr 6 mins ago
MADRID – A Romanian Gypsy woman whose 10-year-old daughter just gave birth in Spain says she's delighted to have a new granddaughter and doesn't understand why the birth has shocked anyone — let alone become an international sensation.

Spanish authorities have released few details about the case to protect the girl's privacy.

But in comments published Wednesday, her mother told reporters the baby's father is a 13-year-old boy who is still in Romania and is no longer going out with her daughter.

The 10-year-old girl and her baby daughter plan to stay in Spain because the young couple separated, said the girl's mother. She identified herself only as Olimpia and appeared to be in her 30s but did not give her age.

She also said she didn't understand the attention the case was generating because she and her daughter are Romanian Gypsies, or Roma, and their custom is to allow girls to marry young even though that's against the law in Romania.

"That's the way we get married," the girl's mother told reporters Tuesday outside the modest apartment building in the southern town of Lebrija where the family lives.

Meanwhile, the story was going viral on the Internet and causing an uproar in Spain.

"Mother at 10 years old" blared a headline in Barcelona's La Vanguardia newspaper, which dedicated two pages to the story.

In contrast, news about the 10-year-old mother barely registered in Romania, with stories buried inside newspapers focusing on the controversy the birth had caused among Spaniards.

The girl moved to Spain about three weeks ago, her mother said, and her baby was born in a public hospital last week in the nearby city of Jerez de la Frontera. There were no complications during the birth, and the 10-year-old and her baby are doing fine, her mother said.

"She's doing well and is very happy with her daughter," the woman said.

The 10-year-old and her baby are living with the new grandmother while Spanish social welfare authorities determine whether the family will be able to provide for the baby.

Under Spanish law, having consensual sex with someone under age 13 is classified as child abuse. But a Justice Ministry official said this particular case is complicated, because the alleged father is not in Spain and is also a minor. It is not clear whether he could be charged, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of ministry policy.

Romanian law allows girls to get married at age 16 with parental consent, or at 18 without it.

But arranged "marriages" between teenagers are relatively common among Roma, who make up about 1.5 million of Romania's 22 million people. Families "marry off" daughters when they reach puberty, with the "husband" usually being a couple of years older. The marriages are not recognized by the state.

Roma girls are often not encouraged to pursue a full education, and Romanian authorities do not widely enforce education laws that require children to attend school until age 16.

In 2003, there was an international outcry after the European Union envoy to Romania, Baroness Emma Nicholson, demanded that a 12-year-old Roma girl and her 15-year-old common-law husband separate and cease all intimate relations until they were legally able to be married. The couple did separate for an unknown amount of time.

[aPlinker]

Wow...

[Knockout_Power]

I dont know whats worse, the fat that she was most likely 9 when she got pregnant or this statement

Under Spanish law, having consensual sex with someone under age 13 is classified as child abuse

wtf is wrong with SPAIN!!!!... how is having sex with someone who's 13 ok to begin with?!?!?!

[stack_it]

Damn. I've got sisters over 10 years older than me.

[calgarian]

I dont know whats worse, the fat that she was most likely 9 when she got pregnant or this statement



wtf is wrong with SPAIN!!!!... how is having sex with someone who's 13 ok to begin with?!?!?!

how can u be pregnant when u r 9??? Wow...and how can u have sex with a girl when u r 13 holy .....

[zabster151]

don't you have to have a period first to be able to get pregnant, I did not think 9 years was old enough for a period.

[Knockout_Power]

Girls now adays... I was jerking off at 12 or 13, but I never got my hands pregnant and they were at least my age at the time

[calgarian]

don't you have to have a period first to be able to get pregnant, I did not think 9 years was old enough for a period.

i was thinking the same.........dont know how

[Knockout_Power]

i was thinking the same.........dont know how

maybe he came in her ass... these 9 years olds these days, freaks I tell ya

[Times Roman]

ooooh! you mates are sick, sick, sick!

yikes!!!

[SomeRandomGuy]

we're just animals, haven't you realized that? what's really right or wrong? whatever the societal collective deems... what about the fringes? subjective.

[Bojangles69]

I remember having a talk about this with my own psychotherapist years back lol and he had an interesting standpoint for a shrink with 30+ years experience (and a good shrink at that).

But the conversation came up when I felt guilty for having feelings for a 16 year old when I was 22. I'm not talking just ****ing them but actually catching feelings and the fact that
I felt like a pedophile for it. If it was just casual sex I likely wouldn't have cared but I thought it was interesting what he said.

He said that what biology deems "ready for sex" usually conflicts with what society deems "ready for sex". But the fact is long before we had laws/rules, and for the majority of evolution in general men HAVE been having sex with young girls. If you think about it we are biologically driven to wanna **** the youngest girls we can, but there comes a certain point where we literally just "shut off" the impulse. However, in reality we're not shutting any impulses off. We're merely trying to avoid public scrutiny and doing what we think is morally right.

W/out mentioning a single thought that goes through your mind to anyone, ask yourself if you've ever wanted to a fvck a girl that you know damn well you shouldn't have wanted to, but the drive was still there lol. Theres a huge risk of sounding like a pedophile, and pedophiles are prob the most stigmatized criminals in the world. But even with that risk, I'll admit I've seen girls as young as 14 and been aroused. And thats what I'll admit too haha.... noooooo we def won't go there. But I honestly don't think it goes much younger for me in terms of biology.

What usually just happens, is for morally competent men, that initial arousal is often rebounded by a larger degree of shame, shame thats only really there because of society. I think an actual pedophile isn't someone who doesn't feel the shame, but somebody who equally gets aroused on the fact that its shameful or wrong.

You can experience this yourself prob with girls who are closer to the age of consent. Saying a 17 year old turns me on, I *may get more turned on just knowing its not right, but the degree to which its not right is MUCH MUCH less than say a 11 or 12 year old girl. I think a pedophile just gets more and more aroused honestly the more they know its wrong, while a normal person gets more and more aroused the "less wrong" it is, if that makes sense.

But when we didn't have laws or morals to turn to, and the majority of us walked around this planet naked, guess what we looked at to figure whether it was ok or not? We looked directly at the naked females body. If there was hair, light breast development, that signified to us they were "ready". And I honestly think we prob had like 100,000 years of evolution where we were sexing girls the second they reached reproductive maturation, which can be very young for certain girls.

So yeh, basically like SRG said.

[Sicko]

I remember having a talk about this with my own psychotherapist years back lol and he had an interesting standpoint for a shrink with 30+ years experience (and a good shrink at that).

But the conversation came up when I felt guilty for having feelings for a 16 year old when I was 22. I'm not talking just ****ing them but actually catching feelings and the fact that
I felt like a pedophile for it. If it was just casual sex I likely wouldn't have cared but I thought it was interesting what he said.
W/out mentioning a single thought that goes through your mind to anyone, ask yourself if you've ever wanted to a fvck a girl that you know damn well you shouldn't have wanted to, but the drive was still there lol. Theres a huge risk of sounding like a pedophile, and pedophiles are prob the most stigmatized criminals in the world. But even with that risk, I'll *admit I've seen girls as young as 14 and been aroused. And thats what I'll admit too haha.... noooooo we def won't go there. But I honestly don't think it goes much younger for me in terms of biology.What usually just happens, is for morally competent men, that initial arousal is often rebounded by a larger degree of shame, shame thats only really there because of society. I think an actual pedophile isn't someone who doesn't feel the shame, but somebody who equally gets aroused on the fact that its shameful or wrong.

You can experience this yourself prob with girls who are closer to the age of consent. Saying a 17 year old turns me on, I *may get more turned on just knowing its not right, but the degree to which its not right is MUCH MUCH less than say a 11 or 12 year old girl. I think a pedophile just gets more and more aroused honestly the more they know its wrong, while a normal person gets more and more aroused the "less wrong" it is, if that makes sense.

But when we didn't have laws or morals to turn to, and the majority of us walked around this planet naked, guess what we looked at to figure whether it was ok or not? We looked directly at the naked females body. If there was hair, light breast development, that signified to us they were "ready". And I honestly think we prob had like 100,000 years of evolution where we were sexing girls the second they reached reproductive maturation, which can be very young for certain girls.

So yeh, basically like SRG said.

Sooo.. are you still seeing a psychologist? TMI bro TMI....

[Bojangles69]

Sooo.. are you still seeing a psychologist? TMI bro TMI....

What are you talking about I am studying to do therapy its actually recommended. Have you gone to college before?

And why are you highlighting that specific sentence thats rather douche of you. Or wait lol did you not get the joke? When I said "no we won't go there" I didn't mean thats WHY I was in therapy omg dude.
Thats possibly the worst way you could have read that.
My therapist KNOWS I'm studying to do therapy and its the whole point. You get to integrate how the therapy itself works. But if you ever take a clinical psych course... in college, matters like this are talked about, its definitely NOT TMI is my point.
Please don't tell me what tmi is also, thanks. People who know me know I study this shit and its what I'm doing my masters for.

[Sicko]

If I misinterpreted your post then I apologize.I did not get the impression that this was a study..More of a situation..
And I highlighted that paragraph simply because it shocked me that someone would openly talk about pedophile disires.
and yeh I read it again and it doesnt sound different than it did the first time...
IMO I would edit out that whole post cuz it doesnt seem to send the right message that you intended( i hope) I am not going to speak on it anymore as it is a subject that I do not wish to escalate anymore than it has....

[dec11]

we're just animals, haven't you realized that? what's really right or wrong? whatever the societal collective deems... what about the fringes? subjective.

dumb statement, with age comes responsibility, how the hell can a ten year old be responsible. infact its quite worrying that you'd even post that

[dec11]

I remember having a talk about this with my own psychotherapist years back lol and he had an interesting standpoint for a shrink with 30+ years experience (and a good shrink at that).

But the conversation came up when I felt guilty for having feelings for a 16 year old when I was 22. I'm not talking just ****ing them but actually catching feelings and the fact that
I felt like a pedophile for it. If it was just casual sex I likely wouldn't have cared but I thought it was interesting what he said.

He said that what biology deems "ready for sex" usually conflicts with what society deems "ready for sex". But the fact is long before we had laws/rules, and for the majority of evolution in general men HAVE been having sex with young girls. If you think about it we are biologically driven to wanna **** the youngest girls we can, but there comes a certain point where we literally just "shut off" the impulse. However, in reality we're not shutting any impulses off. We're merely trying to avoid public scrutiny and doing what we think is morally right.

W/out mentioning a single thought that goes through your mind to anyone, ask yourself if you've ever wanted to a fvck a girl that you know damn well you shouldn't have wanted to, but the drive was still there lol. Theres a huge risk of sounding like a pedophile, and pedophiles are prob the most stigmatized criminals in the world. But even with that risk, I'll admit I've seen girls as young as 14 and been aroused. And thats what I'll admit too haha.... noooooo we def won't go there. But I honestly don't think it goes much younger for me in terms of biology.

What usually just happens, is for morally competent men, that initial arousal is often rebounded by a larger degree of shame, shame thats only really there because of society. I think an actual pedophile isn't someone who doesn't feel the shame, but somebody who equally gets aroused on the fact that its shameful or wrong.

You can experience this yourself prob with girls who are closer to the age of consent. Saying a 17 year old turns me on, I *may get more turned on just knowing its not right, but the degree to which its not right is MUCH MUCH less than say a 11 or 12 year old girl. I think a pedophile just gets more and more aroused honestly the more they know its wrong, while a normal person gets more and more aroused the "less wrong" it is, if that makes sense.

But when we didn't have laws or morals to turn to, and the majority of us walked around this planet naked, guess what we looked at to figure whether it was ok or not? We looked directly at the naked females body. If there was hair, light breast development, that signified to us they were "ready". And I honestly think we prob had like 100,000 years of evolution where we were sexing girls the second they reached reproductive maturation, which can be very young for certain girls.

So yeh, basically like SRG said.

groomer

[SomeRandomGuy]

I remember having a talk about this with my own psychotherapist years back lol and he had an interesting standpoint for a shrink with 30+ years experience (and a good shrink at that).

But the conversation came up when I felt guilty for having feelings for a 16 year old when I was 22. I'm not talking just ****ing them but actually catching feelings and the fact that
I felt like a pedophile for it. If it was just casual sex I likely wouldn't have cared but I thought it was interesting what he said.

He said that what biology deems "ready for sex" usually conflicts with what society deems "ready for sex". But the fact is long before we had laws/rules, and for the majority of evolution in general men HAVE been having sex with young girls. If you think about it we are biologically driven to wanna **** the youngest girls we can, but there comes a certain point where we literally just "shut off" the impulse. However, in reality we're not shutting any impulses off. We're merely trying to avoid public scrutiny and doing what we think is morally right.

W/out mentioning a single thought that goes through your mind to anyone, ask yourself if you've ever wanted to a fvck a girl that you know damn well you shouldn't have wanted to, but the drive was still there lol. Theres a huge risk of sounding like a pedophile, and pedophiles are prob the most stigmatized criminals in the world. But even with that risk, I'll admit I've seen girls as young as 14 and been aroused. And thats what I'll admit too haha.... noooooo we def won't go there. But I honestly don't think it goes much younger for me in terms of biology.

What usually just happens, is for morally competent men, that initial arousal is often rebounded by a larger degree of shame, shame thats only really there because of society. I think an actual pedophile isn't someone who doesn't feel the shame, but somebody who equally gets aroused on the fact that its shameful or wrong.

You can experience this yourself prob with girls who are closer to the age of consent. Saying a 17 year old turns me on, I *may get more turned on just knowing its not right, but the degree to which its not right is MUCH MUCH less than say a 11 or 12 year old girl. I think a pedophile just gets more and more aroused honestly the more they know its wrong, while a normal person gets more and more aroused the "less wrong" it is, if that makes sense.

But when we didn't have laws or morals to turn to, and the majority of us walked around this planet naked, guess what we looked at to figure whether it was ok or not? We looked directly at the naked females body. If there was hair, light breast development, that signified to us they were "ready". And I honestly think we prob had like 100,000 years of evolution where we were sexing girls the second they reached reproductive maturation, which can be very young for certain girls.

So yeh, basically like SRG said.

You're actually completely right. It's just not a subject anyone wants to discuss because of that overwhelming shame you mention. Kinda like when you ask Christians why God created ugly people. They don't want to believe it. In the same way, many people don't want to believe that an underage girl could possibly be found attractive. They just dismiss it outright because to even entertain such an impulse would be horribly evil...

Trainspotting..

Diane: [Mark has spent the previous night having sex with Diane only to realize she was an underage schoolgirl] Well, what's the matter, Mark?
Mark "Rent-boy" Renton: It's you that's what's wrong!
Diane: Well at least us hold hands.
Mark "Rent-boy" Renton: No, we're not holding hands!
Diane: No? But you seemed a lot more happy to do more last night. There's nothing wrong with it.
Mark "Rent-boy" Renton: Its illegal that's what's wrong with it! You know what they do to people like me in prison? They cut your balls off and flush them down the toilet.
Diane: Calm down; you're not going to prison.
Mark "Rent-boy" Renton: That's very easy for you to say Diane!
Diane: Can I see you again?
Mark "Rent-boy" Renton: [scoffs] Certainly not!
Diane: If you don't see me again, I'll tell the police.
Mark "Rent-boy" Renton: [turns around and stares at Diane blankly]
Diane: I'll see you around then.

Mark "Rent-boy" Renton: You see if you ask me we're heterosexual by default, not by decision. It's just a question of who you fancy. It's all about aesthetics and it's **** all to do with morality. But you try telling Begbie that.