ufc 129

**higgy** · 05-01-2011, 09:01 AM

so gsp wins again....but not one of his best performances
what do yall think?

It was said that the card will go down as one of the best in history

**awms** · 05-01-2011, 11:28 AM

I was disappointed that GSP did not finish the fight which I think has alot to do with 1# he couldnt see out of one eye, and 2# he is afraid of loosing.

Most fighter are willing to put their neck out on the line to make a name for them selfs but GSP has already made a name for him self and I beleve he plays it safe because although he could have easily went in for the kill and knocked Shields out or taken him to the ground and submitted him it would mean he would have to risk loosing which could tarnish his career and set him back from being knows as the best of all time.

Unforchantly to be known as "the best of all time" he is going to have to fight Anderson Silva at some point and if he keeps coming up with performances like the one he had last night Im not sure Dana White will grant him that fight.

On a positive note GSP controlled that fight and at no point was he ever in trouble. The judges are stupid and GSP won ever single round! He didnt capitalize when he has his chances but he deff ran the show! shields was out classed and he is lucky GSP is afraid of loosing.

**higgy** · 05-01-2011, 12:45 PM

I think GSP and Silva need to fight, it will be one hell of a match up. They are both dominating the ufc.

**BgMc31** · 05-01-2011, 12:57 PM

I don't think he matches up well with Silva. The weight advantage for Silva will be way too much. From what I've heard, Silva walks around at well over 200lbs while GSP walks around at 185-190. GSP isn't a very big welterweight. He's just a helluva athlete. Silva's size will be too much for GSP.

The Shields fight was pretty boring, but it showed the pure dominance of GSP. Sheilds is completely one dimensional and showed he had almost no standup game. I guess this fights shows the difference in the upper echelons of different orgs. Shields hadn't lost in what 15 fights and 7yrs? But GSP made him look like a rookie.

**quarry206** · 05-01-2011, 03:51 PM

gsp and silva are both great champs.. the issue like bgmc said when it all comes down to it silva is so much bigger than GSP. Silva could walk in the ring at 200+ and GSP maybe 190 if he put on weight.

**higgy** · 05-01-2011, 05:31 PM

Yea Silva is a bit heavier but I honestly don't think it would be a problem for GSP

**kelevra** · 05-01-2011, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by awms

I was disappointed that GSP did not finish the fight which I think has alot to do with 1# he couldnt see out of one eye, and 2# he is afraid of loosing.

Most fighter are willing to put their neck out on the line to make a name for them selfs but GSP has already made a name for him self and I beleve he plays it safe because although he could have easily went in for the kill and knocked Shields out or taken him to the ground and submitted him it would mean he would have to risk loosing which could tarnish his career and set him back from being knows as the best of all time.

Unforchantly to be known as "the best of all time" he is going to have to fight Anderson Silva at some point and if he keeps coming up with performances like the one he had last night Im not sure Dana White will grant him that fight. This guy would sell a nut to make a dollar? Consistently puts names together for fights instead of skill. Hence the often boring azz fight the UFC puts on. And how many times will you use 60 year old men and ex wrestling stars to sell tickets. White has the UFC 1 step away from being WWe IMO. He would love to have to opportunity to make the pay check from a Silva GSP.

On a positive note GSP controlled that fight and at no point was he ever in trouble. The judges are stupid and GSP won ever single round! He didnt capitalize when he has his chances but he deff ran the show! shields was out classed and he is lucky GSP is afraid of loosing.

^^^^^^^^

**l2elapse** · 05-01-2011, 06:03 PM

Lyoto machidas KO was nice

**Panzerfaust** · 05-01-2011, 06:10 PM

As of Friday Silva was walking around at 97kg (213lbs) he is usually gets to 220 but not higher then comes down. GSP is a midget in compraison to him and he is not looking for the fight. Zuffa however are trying to brainwash everyone into believing it is a good matchup. Just like Dana say's Couture is "Top 10" at LHW.

Ok, the Machida matchup was horrible for Couture and I knew he was getting stretched I just didn't know Machida would Daniel Laruso crain kick his ass.

BG · 05-01-2011, 07:01 PM

No doubt Silva is a real bad match up for GSP. Between the size (as already stated) , the reach and the clinch GSP would be in trouble. George would have to keep the fight close to make up for the reach disadvantage and would eat knee after knee. I dont think GSP would be able to take him down which would be his only chance.

Originally Posted by awms

I was disappointed that GSP did not finish the fight which I think has alot to do with 1# he couldnt see out of one eye, and 2# he is afraid of loosing.

He tried to end the fight but he couldnt, not enough behind those Koschek wanna be punch's. Sheilds can take a punch, Henderson dropped a bomb on him and he still came back to win the fight.

**awms** · 05-01-2011, 07:29 PM

GSP's problem simply that he is afraid to loose...he has all the athletic ability, he has the smarts, he has the talent and the team behind him but he doesnt have the fight in him any more...he knows he has everything to loose and so he plays it safe.

Honestly If GSP went balls to the wall! and took more risks he would finish most of his fights with in the first 2 or 3 rounds. He could have done it last night but he hesitated instead and went on cruise control.

It also didint help that he could only see out of one eye which if you have ever been in a fight you would know how hard it is to fight a guy with one eye let alone jake shields!

I dont care what anyone says GSP is by far the best pound for pound fighter but his only down fall is the fear to loose which against Silva will really hurt him! Silva is a risk taker and its half the reason he is as good as he is...he isnt as athletically gifted or technical as GSP but he puts his neck out on the line and it often pays off! he takes risks and knocks people out! there have been a few times when it has hurt him but 95% of the time it works for him.

If Gsp wants to win against silva he is going to have to take risks! the advantage he has is that Silva will open him self up in order to get the knock out...the disadvantage is that If Silva connects it over! the guy is one powerfull guys!! Gsp's best bet is wait for an opening and then take him to the ground...ground and pound baby! he should out class silva on the ground.

BG · 05-01-2011, 08:28 PM

If Silva was a risk taker he would be testing himself against top 5 205lbr's. I'm no gsp fan at all but AS is cruising at 185 in the least stacked weight class.

**awms** · 05-01-2011, 10:36 PM

Silva did move up to 205...the only thing stoping him from moving up again and fighting bones jones the new light heavy weight champ is Dana white. Dana know Silva will destroy Jones and since Jones is an up and coming fighter (hes only 23) Dana wants him to evolve as a fighter. Plus why move up when there is better talent in the 185lb weight class and one weight class under you there is a guy (GSP) who is the only person standing in your way of becoming the greatest fighter to ever live??

Silva is a risk taker and for him it has paid off big! he has a confidence in his abilities like no other fighter in the UFC. Dont get me wrong he is an amazing fighter but at that level so are 90% of the guys...the diffrence is mental and thats were Silva wins.

**Twist** · 05-01-2011, 11:47 PM

Silva has played cat and mouse with his last (something like) 5 fights. He makes people look foolish for stepping in the ring with him. He's only had one close call and he fought that fight with a broken rib and a bacterial infection. He will dominate GSP for many reasons. GSP is great and I love the guy but he will get killed by Silva. Dodging punches like he's fighting a five year old isn't taking risks, its simply having much better reaction times. Distracting someone with your hands and then kicking them in the face isn't risky either. He is the best.

BG · 05-02-2011, 10:32 AM

I know he moved up that's why I said top 5. He fought griffin and was it sandman? Come on 205 has much more to offer. Griffin couldn't knock put a 12 year old and sandmans day has come andgone. Your just sticking up for AS because your a fan of his.

Originally Posted by awms

Silva did move up to 205...the only thing stoping him from moving up again and fighting bones jones the new light heavy weight champ is Dana white. Dana know Silva will destroy Jones and since Jones is an up and coming fighter (hes only 23) Dana wants him to evolve as a fighter. Plus why move up when there is better talent in the 185lb weight class and one weight class under you there is a guy (GSP) who is the only person standing in your way of becoming the greatest fighter to ever live??

Silva is a risk taker and for him it has paid off big! he has a confidence in his abilities like no other fighter in the UFC. Dont get me wrong he is an amazing fighter but at that level so are 90% of the guys...the diffrence is mental and thats were Silva wins.

**tapout417** · 05-02-2011, 03:23 PM

I am a fan of Gsp always have been. But like stated above the spider will put a beat down on him. I would watch the fight for sure. But don't think it would make any sense to Gsp to fight him

**quarry206** · 05-02-2011, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by awms

Silva did move up to 205...the only thing stoping him from moving up again and fighting bones jones the new light heavy weight champ is Dana white. Dana know Silva will destroy Jones and since Jones is an up and coming fighter (hes only 23) Dana wants him to evolve as a fighter. Plus why move up when there is better talent in the 185lb weight class and one weight class under you there is a guy (GSP) who is the only person standing in your way of becoming the greatest fighter to ever live??

Silva is a risk taker and for him it has paid off big! he has a confidence in his abilities like no other fighter in the UFC. Dont get me wrong he is an amazing fighter but at that level so are 90% of the guys...the diffrence is mental and thats were Silva wins.

are you smoking crack, right now 185 is super weak and has been for some time. not taking anything away from silva, but he is just like GSP he is scared to lose so he takes fights against people they know they can beat or hold out and win in points. Silva said himself he wanted to move to 205 in summer of 2009, but when he found out later he would have to fight guys he saw as close friends he said he would not fight at 205 as anything more than for fun from time to time.

this is the same thing with other sports, in the NBA,NFL if you don't have a ring you are a nobody no matter how great your career stats are. in MMA if you are beat even after 30 strait wins nobody cares about your wins only your last lose.. in MMA you are only as good as who you have lost to, so great fighters are scared of losing.

not that i think it should be that way, but i mean look at the past three years how heros fall from the talk of greatness after even one lose, BJ penn, lesnar, fedor, Machida all we talks and peoples pound for pound lists and were called untouchable, after their first lose people fried them and u hardly hear about them in the talks of being champs again.

**charliemurphy229** · 05-02-2011, 05:50 PM

Another win, never looked like Shields was going to challenge, even with GSP losing an eye. Fight of the night for me was Aldo and Hominick.

**Panzerfaust** · 05-02-2011, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by BG

If Silva was a risk taker he would be testing himself against top 5 205lbr's. I'm no gsp fan at all but AS is cruising at 185 in the least stacked weight class.

Oh come on now BG! Silva is just so far and above everyone else and proves it by actually destroying people. GSP is also far and above everyone else but refuses to grow a pair of nuts and go for the finish, he is coasting past his opponents and winning decision after decision. I thin Serra permanently stole his killer instinct.

The problem really is in the fact that GSP is too small for 185, he is 5'9 and most of the 185lbers are 6'0+ and cutting down from well over 200lbs. I think GSP could do well at MW but not be a dominant force at all. Then you have Silva who is deceptively big, sure he's not stacked with muscles but his long build makes it easier for him to jump up a weight class and fight. He has done it twice and made a fool out of both LHW opponents, I don't recall any other current champ jumping up in weight?

Wanderlei did it while champ but he's nuts too.

I just think this push for GSP vs Silva is a terrible idea. GSP knows it and they basically put his back to the wall about it and making it appear he is dick tucking when in fact I just think he is being realistic about the situation.

BG · 05-02-2011, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by Panzerfaust

Oh come on now BG! Silva is just so far and above everyone else and proves it by actually destroying people. GSP is also far and above everyone else but refuses to grow a pair of nuts and go for the finish, he is coasting past his opponents and winning decision after decision. I thin Serra permanently stole his killer instinct.

The problem really is in the fact that GSP is too small for 185, he is 5'9 and most of the 185lbers are 6'0+ and cutting down from well over 200lbs. I think GSP could do well at MW but not be a dominant force at all. Then you have Silva who is deceptively big, sure he's not stacked with muscles but his long build makes it easier for him to jump up a weight class and fight. He has done it twice and made a fool out of both LHW opponents, I don't recall any other current champ jumping up in weight?

Wanderlei did it while champ but he's nuts too.

I just think this push for GSP vs Silva is a terrible idea. GSP knows it and they basically put his back to the wall about it and making it appear he is dick tucking when in fact I just think he is being realistic about the situation.

Oh I agree, I hate actually hate Gsp, I cant wait to lose. If it werent for Jackson pushing him he would have probably lost the title by now. But like Quarry said above, GSP and AS are the same, but GSP a much better caliper of fighters imo. If AS truely believed in himself he would go destroy the 205lbr's and really be the best p4p....but he wont. OH by the way...Randy went up a weight class and was champ.