How much muscle can you actually build naturally?

[TwoMoreReps]

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Iam 21 and thinking of holdin AAS for a while.... ive heard naturally with an intense workout and a strict diet you can build upto 1lbs of muscle a month which is shyte tbh .

[MickeyKnox]

I put on 15lbs weight/muscle a year for 2 years before using AAS. And i believe this is what is most commonly accepted.

15lbs/year is not impossible if your determined and diet is solid. But this won't continue until you explode of course. You'll reach your genetic limit and plateau. At 21 you natural testosterone is quite high (unless gonadal) and for the first two years you should grow fairly quickly. You will certainly reap large benefits if you work hard and eat right.

[Times Roman]

let me tell you a little something.....

two months ago, i was 225. I've been eating like a horse and the other day I stepped on the scale at the gym and now up to 246. sure, some if fat. some is water (doubled my creatine dose to 10g/day). some is just undigested food. the rest is muscle. (I;m eating something like 4,500 cals/day)

my point is this. almost EVERYONE that comes here underestimates the power of food. If you want to grow, you MUST eat!

if the only thing you are really paying attention to is your work out routines, then I'd say you are limiting yourself in a bad way.

Go on over to the nutrition section and throw up what you ate yesterday. include macros per meal, total macros per day, and your TDEE. I'm willing to bet your biggest problem will become obvious once you do this.

Cheers!
---Roman

[Noles12]

There is no set number on how much one can build. But AAS or not it all comes back to diet and training. You have to eat right to get big. You have to train right to get big. It's a marathon not a sprint. It takes time.

Nothing happens overnight.

AAS is not a miracle maker. I have seen guys run cycles, eat like crap, train like crap, and put on 10 pounds of water. After the cycle they are right back where they started

[--->>405<<---]

let me tell you a little something.....

two months ago, i was 225. I've been eating like a horse and the other day I stepped on the scale at the gym and now up to 246. sure, some if fat. some is water (doubled my creatine dose to 10g/day). some is just undigested food. the rest is muscle. (I;m eating something like 4,500 cals/day)

my point is this. almost EVERYONE that comes here underestimates the power of food. If you want to grow, you MUST eat!

if the only thing you are really paying attention to is your work out routines, then I'd say you are limiting yourself in a bad way.

Go on over to the nutrition section and throw up what you ate yesterday. include macros per meal, total macros per day, and your TDEE. I'm willing to bet your biggest problem will become obvious once you do this.

Cheers!
---Roman

yes the nutrition section is where u can get it dun man! good post TR!

[lovbyts]

5' 8"
High school 140 lbs +
18-20 150s
21-25 160 lbs
25-30 170 lbs
30-40 180 lbs
All with no aas.
Didnt use anything until 45
I could have gained a LOT more weight a lot quicker if I would have had a resource like the diet section we have here.

[cherrydrpepper]

my point is this. almost EVERYONE that comes here underestimates the power of food. If you want to grow, you MUST eat!

if the only thing you are really paying attention to is your work out routines, then I'd say you are limiting yourself in a bad way.

Go on over to the nutrition section and throw up what you ate yesterday. include macros per meal, total macros per day, and your TDEE. I'm willing to bet your biggest problem will become obvious once you do this.
---Roman

Agree with this. You will go nowhere with working out until you determine your caloric needs first and foremost and then protein carbs etc. Easiest way for me was to literally record every single thing I eat and the macros (google is your friend if its not on the food label). I have known people who did not count macros, but they were fast metabolism / amazing genetics and at a lot. Even then I would sometimes look at them and wonder how much they are leaving on the table by not ensuring the proper intake.

[austinite]

I always ignored nutrition when I was younger. Gained muscle, but far more fat. So I decided to diet, on my own... did cardio, kept lifting, ate what I thought was clean... minimal if any results. Then I started to learn how to eat. Almost instantly started to shed fat. Wait a minute... this is actually working! Everything really does revolve around diet. What you do in combination such as cardio for example, will amplify the effect.

[cherrydrpepper]

I always ignored nutrition when I was younger. Gained muscle, but far more fat. So I decided to diet, on my own... did cardio, kept lifting, ate what I thought was clean... minimal if any results. Then I started to learn how to eat. Almost instantly started to shed fat. Wait a minute... this is actually working! Everything really does revolve around diet. What you do in combination such as cardio for example, will amplify the effect.

Agree this also. People put cardio and dieting on this pedestal like they are climbing mount everest. Cardio + Diet + Weights = fast, noticeable, real results. Sitting around eating cheetohs and watching daytime tv is the ultimate slow death. I will always choose diet and exercise over that.

[Shsm]

I've gained 25 pounds of LBM in the two years I've been lifting with a clean diet from the start. The majority of the weight gained was in my first year.

[DeniZen]

I just came up with my own formula. Natural bodybuilding will max out at 1/2 pound of muscle for every inch in height. So a 6' tall male about 160 lbs/<10%BF will gain 36 lbs. max. So 196 lbs. I'm sure some go beyond that, but I think that is a realistic goal.