Opinions.. size versus cut.. sub 10%

**cherrydrpepper** · 11-10-2012, 03:27 PM

Obviously your body is your body and you can do what you want with it. I was curious about opinions on this video I just keep seeing it pop up in my search related results on youtube.

Whats your opinion on his look etc. My take is this. He's naturally an athletic, good looking kid. He already had those things going for him before he got serious into lifting. He looks great with his shirt off I would imagine some girls think he's a 10. Could someone tell he works out with a shirt on though other than a see through thing? I guess I am wondering, what is everyone's version of the ultimate goal. Is it to look like this kid? Look like him but with 20 more lbs of muscle? Do you guys even delve into this line of thinking or is it more of the chiseling away at the statue approach, looking at individual muscles like your delts or your biceps and thinking how can I shock and improve them?

**austinite** · 11-10-2012, 03:30 PM

Good physique. Some strive to be that way. There's just not enough money in the world that would make me want to remain that small, however.

**BR0DIE** · 11-10-2012, 03:40 PM

I can't watch the vid right now but I know I never want to be above 200lbs.
My end goal is 190lbs at 8%, I'm 6'0 btw.
I may not even need AAS for this.

**bigZthedestroyer** · 11-10-2012, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Good physique. Some strive to be that way. There's just not enough money in the world that would make me want to remain that small, however.

I agree. He's ripped but too small. I would like to be around 260-270ish and ripped! That's my ultimate goal.

**MD2B** · 11-10-2012, 04:26 PM

Size for the simple reason if you are not skilled enough as a fighter nor carry fire power at a specific moment in time your chances for protecting your loved ones and yourself are greatly increased if you've got size for multiple reasons... I've never seen a six pack of abs defend a family.

**austinite** · 11-10-2012, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by MD2B

Size for the simple reason if you are not skilled enough as a fighter nor carry fire power at a specific moment in time your chances for protecting your loved ones and yourself are greatly increased if you've got size for multiple reasons... I've never seen a six pack of abs defend a family.

Hey could you tell me the current price of tea in China?

**Tron3219** · 11-10-2012, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by MD2B

Size for the simple reason if you are not skilled enough as a fighter nor carry fire power at a specific moment in time your chances for protecting your loved ones and yourself are greatly increased if you've got size for multiple reasons... I've never seen a six pack of abs defend a family.

One word, Bruce lee! Lol

**--->>405<<---** · 11-10-2012, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by Tron3219

One word, Bruce lee! Lol

LOL was just thinking that! not the size of the dog in the fight but the fight in the dog!

and my Kimber TLE2 stainless .45 with hollow points helps..

**Tron3219** · 11-10-2012, 04:38 PM

But to answer the question; that ripped @ about 225 is what I want, but that's like on the cusp of pro shit lol I just don't have the time to b able to get THAT ripped, but I'm tryin real hard...lol

**--->>405<<---** · 11-10-2012, 04:38 PM

but to the question i think he looks great and i would like to be that lean but about 220lbs

**austinite** · 11-10-2012, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by Tron3219

But to answer the question; that ripped @ about 225 is what I want, but that's like on the cusp of pro shit lol I just don't have the time to b able to get THAT ripped, but I'm tryin real hard...lol

yup.

**--->>405<<---** · 11-10-2012, 04:39 PM

tron apparently u and i think somewhat alike

**GirlyGymRat** · 11-10-2012, 04:50 PM

most gals want a guy that weighs more than they do. this guy is nicely cut but he is too skinny IMO.

**kelkel** · 11-10-2012, 04:53 PM

He looks good for his young age and small size. Clearly defined muscle always gives the illusion of more size.

225 and ripped is a great goal for anyone.

**Tron3219** · 11-10-2012, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

tron apparently u and i think somewhat alike

It's so weird...when I started lifting I was like 160 and like 6%bf and couldn't gain muscle. Now I'm 215 and like 15% and can't get below 12% lol prolly cuz I was on a 2 year bulking phase lol

**--->>405<<---** · 11-10-2012, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by Tron3219

It's so weird...when I started lifting I was like 160 and like 6%bf and couldn't gain muscle. Now I'm 215 and like 15% and can't get below 12% lol prolly cuz I was on a 2 year bulking phase lol

yeh its a lot of work. if i dont lift or do cardio and eat like i want to i get in the mid to high 20's bf%-wise and 225-235lbs which is not good for a guy only 5'9"

rite now im trying to get below 8%bf and it is tuff man.

**austinite** · 11-10-2012, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

yeh its a lot of work. if i dont lift or do cardio and eat like i want to i get in the mid to high 20's bf%-wise and 225-235lbs which is not good for a guy only 5'9"

rite now im trying to get below 8%bf and it is tuff man.

Just join one of those survivor TV shows and you'll get there in no time.

**Tron3219** · 11-10-2012, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

yeh its a lot of work. if i dont lift or do cardio and eat like i want to i get in the mid to high 20's bf%-wise and 225-235lbs which is not good for a guy only 5'9"

rite now im trying to get below 8%bf and it is tuff man.

I get disgusted if I get over 15% bf. I just abandoned a natural bulk phase cuz all I was doing was gaining fat

I was eating FAIRLY clean and I was just miserable. Idk what made me think I could gain more muscle naturally after trying for almost 2 years to get over 205(15%bf). So I'm just gonna cut down naturally to like 205(hopefully sub 10%bf) then just do super lean bulk cycles and shoot for 5lb lean muscle gains. Slow and steady,slow and steady...

**--->>405<<---** · 11-10-2012, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by Tron3219

I get disgusted if I get over 15% bf. I just abandoned a natural bulk phase cuz all I was doing was gaining fat

I was eating FAIRLY clean and I was just miserable. Idk what made me think I could gain more muscle naturally after trying for almost 2 years to get over 205(15%bf). So I'm just gonna cut down naturally to like 205(hopefully sub 10%bf) then just do super lean bulk cycles and shoot for 5lb lean muscle gains. Slow and steady,slow and steady...

yeh proba good idea. ive considered insulin but i think thats a road im not gonna travel. maybe peps or a cycle of test only.

**lstbred** · 11-10-2012, 05:34 PM

The guy looks good, just not for me, I would like for ppl to notice that I do work out but I dont have the need to be totally cut, or six packed.....................for now

**Tron3219** · 11-10-2012, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

yeh proba good idea. ive considered insulin but i think thats a road im not gonna travel. maybe peps or a cycle of test only.

Yeah, slin kinda skers me...

Been Thinkin bout giving GnRH+GhRP a shot or that gh frag 176-191 a shot

**Tron3219** · 11-10-2012, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by Tron3219

Yeah, slin kinda skers me...

Been Thinkin bout giving GnRH+GhRP a shot or that gh frag 176-191 a shot

Sorry, ghrh+ghrp

**gearbox** · 11-10-2012, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Good physique. Some strive to be that way. There's just not enough money in the world that would make me want to remain that small, however.

I agree with this. He has no chest and no shoulders

**Armykid93** · 11-10-2012, 05:40 PM

Replying to the OP in my opinion this dude knows what he's doing in the kitchen and gym. He's obviously got a reason for being this small probably endorsements in his specific sport, I just don't see how a woman can find this attractive. He's rather small. My ultimate goal is to be above 230 and at or below 5 percent bf when I compete. I'm still a long way off from coming even close to my goal lol

**Armykid93** · 11-10-2012, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by gearbox

I agree with this. He has no chest and no shoulders

He doesn't have much of anything lol

**gixxerboy1** · 11-10-2012, 06:23 PM

He isnt big compared to a body builder. But he is bigger then the average guy. So everyone who say they cant see how a girl xould fibd it attractive i hate to break the news but guys tgat dont lift get laid too.

**gixxerboy1** · 11-10-2012, 06:24 PM

He isnt big compared to a body builder. But he is bigger then the average guy. So everyone who say they cant see how a girl would find it attractive i hate to break the news but guys tgat dont lift get laid too.

**Shsm** · 11-10-2012, 06:37 PM

He'd look great with another 15-20 pounds of LBM. I think girls find his physique more ideal than others being huge but then again girls don't know exactly what they want. I would never want to go back to being that small, I've worked too hard to not be.

Great role model though! I would much rather have guys my age look up to him than that Zyzz ****er

**S&S_ShovelHead** · 11-10-2012, 08:18 PM

Not for me, I would much rather be 250 @ 15% than 200 @ 8%. But it's really up to what ones individual reasons are for working out. I want to be large and strong first and sexual appealing to the fems second. That guy goes to ALOT of work to look like an average skinny guy with a shirt on but Im sure it pays off for him when he's at the beach.

**Doont-Hunter** · 11-10-2012, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by Shsm

He'd look great with another 15-20 pounds of LBM. I think girls find his physique more ideal than others being huge but then again girls don't know exactly what they want. I would never want to go back to being that small, I've worked too hard to not be.

Great role model though! I would much rather have guys my age look up to him than that Zyzz ****er

Lol how do you know what he does in his spare time? This is just a two minute video of him posing. If Zyzz did that for two minutes without all the trolling and going to festivals etc people would be in awe of his physique. Don't hate the player, hate the game. Aziz had a great physique, but nothing to die for. I've always thought that for those fitness model looks the ectomorph body types are easily the best.

**Shsm** · 11-10-2012, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by Doont-Hunter

Lol how do you know what he does in his spare time? This is just a two minute video of him posing. If Zyzz did that for two minutes without all the trolling and going to festivals etc people would be in awe of his physique. Don't hate the player, hate the game. Aziz had a great physique, but nothing to die for. I've always thought that for those fitness model looks the ectomorph body types are easily the best.

Lol, I've read quite a bit about Marc Fitt. He seems like a level-headed guy and is definitely going somewhere in the fitness world. He has a beautiful girlfriend he's been with a long time and last time I checked he had millions of video views on YT and 60k likes on his FB page.

Anyways, Zyzz had an alright physique. His transformation is very motivating to some but his persona which you pointed out, i.e. trolling, narcissism, abusing drugs, dying at an early age, etc. is what makes me dislike him. I personally think there are much better individuals for people our age to aspire to. If he was a down to earth guy like Greg Plitt I'd have no problem liking him!

**Doont-Hunter** · 11-10-2012, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by Shsm

Lol, I've read quite a bit about Marc Fitt. He seems like a level-headed guy and is definitely going somewhere in the fitness world. He has a beautiful girlfriend he's been with a long time and last time I checked he had millions of video views on YT and 60k likes on his FB page.

Anyways, Zyzz had an alright physique. His transformation is very motivating to some but his persona which you pointed out, i.e. trolling, narcissism, abusing drugs, dying at an early age, etc. is what makes me dislike him. I personally think there are much better individuals for people our age to aspire to. If he was a down to earth guy like Greg Plitt I'd have no problem liking him!

Your probably right. I don't know much about Mar Fitt (is his last name actually Fitt lol), but I'm, definitely admiring his physique. Looks in great shape, looks healthy, great balance and proportion and symmetry. Your right in some ways about Zyzz as well. His legs, in particular his calves, were pretty oddly shaped, which is why you only ever see upper body shots of him lol. I guess hardly anyone has perfect genetics, but still, he was clearly embarassed about his calves haha. And he said he never did cardio or ab training, so I don't know if that's true or if Trenbolone etc can bring out your abs even without ab work? Some people just live their lives differently, he just didn't know how to balance his life. Bit of a shame, but I can't lie he did achieve a lot more than what most of us have in only twenty two years of his life.

Yes man! Greg Plitt is a monster! Great motivation for me. I will say this though - the only reason I've been inspired by Zyzz is because I'm the exact same height as him and the exact same body type as him. And I can relate to him when he says he got bagged on in school for being skinny, happened to me a few times even though it was just jokes, still hurt.

**FONZY007** · 11-11-2012, 01:33 AM

Originally Posted by S&S_ShovelHead

Not for me, I would much rather be 250 @ 15% than 200 @ 8%. But it's really up to what ones individual reasons are for working out. I want to be large and strong first and sexual appealing to the fems second. That guy goes to ALOT of work to look like an average skinny guy with a shirt on but Im sure it pays off for him when he's at the beach.

Ditto

**slimshady01** · 11-11-2012, 07:14 AM

Originally Posted by Armykid93

He doesn't have much of anything lol

See if the girls think that when he is shirtless on the beach .

**lovbyts** · 11-11-2012, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by slimshady01

See if the girls think that when he is shirtless on the beach .

Yeah it seems girls like the skinny look especially if they have abs over size/muscles but personally I dont care. I do it for myself and even though a lot or even most girls like the Abercrombie & Fitch look you will still plenty of other girls to pull in.