Alien World Seven Times Bigger Than Jupiter Has 'Water Vapour' Atmosphere

[canesfan804]

This may sound crazy but I think they already know and have found life on other planets. They just know the general public (religious people) would not be able to handle it

Funny you say that because I am religious and would love to hear this news. I dont know why people think you have to believe one or the other. If there is a God and he IS all powerful then why would he stop with only earth? I belive dinosaurs were real does that mean I am not Christian? Just saying

[LGM]

Fish that live at the North and South poles both possess a type of antifreeze in their blood, glycoproteins, that prevent them from freezing in such cold conditions. However both developed this trait long after they diverted from one another. Research has also shown that the genes that produced this in both species are quite different to each other, but ultimately, they both produced the same functional result.



It wouldnt surprise me, but I think religion is becoming more of an outdated concept now. Once the older generations have passed it will become less and less important to us.

Not to get too far off track, but considering the sheer number of nations with Sharia laws and religious leaders, I don't think religion is going away any time soon.

[-Ender-]

Homo sapiens lived at the same time as both Neanderthals and Denisovans.
This constitutes an impossible evolutionary leap forward. This subject is never discussed when conventional darwinism is taught. Where are the gradual mutations?

But no one has found any such in-between creatures. This was long chalked up to "gaps" in the fossil records, gaps that proponents of gradualism confidently expected to fill in someday when rock strata of the proper antiquity were eventually located. But all of the fossil evidence to date has failed to turn up any such missing links, and there is a growing conviction among many scientists, that these transitional forms never existed. And if this is so, then the gradualist view of evolution is an inaccurate portrayal of how life developed.

Something happened. Someone had to intervene.

Either that or the bible is right and all these archaeologists are digging up big dead monkeys that look like humans.

[canesfan804]

Homo sapiens lived at the same time as both Neanderthals and Denisovans.
This constitutes an impossible evolutionary leap forward. This subject is never discussed when conventional darwinism is taught. Where are the gradual mutations?

But no one has found any such in-between creatures. This was long chalked up to "gaps" in the fossil records, gaps that proponents of gradualism confidently expected to fill in someday when rock strata of the proper antiquity were eventually located. But all of the fossil evidence to date has failed to turn up any such missing links, and there is a growing conviction among many scientists, that these transitional forms never existed. And if this is so, then the gradualist view of evolution is an inaccurate portrayal of how life developed.

Something happened. Someone had to intervene.

Either that or the bible is right and all these archaeologists are digging up big dead monkeys that look like humans.

Thats the think that gets me. The science folks say that the Bible must be wrong because of things like this. Why cant the science be wrong??? These are the same people who say eggs are good one week and then bad the next. Most of it is theory and can not be 100% proven but we dont believe in God because we cant see him.

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[Flagg]

Sorry, the Bible says the planet is 10,000 years old.

We have carbon dating that refutes that. Are we really going to go down this path in this thread?

[951thompson]

We still may find life in our own solar system, be it not the kind most will imagine. The new mars rover is searching for signs of life. Be if there is life on mars it will probably be in the form of germs. Also scientists believe they could possibly be life on titan.

[marcus300]

Loving the debate guys, love reading this stuff

[LGM]

Sorry, the Bible says the planet is 10,000 years old.

We have carbon dating that refutes that. Are we really going to go down this path in this thread?

There's two theories; the traditional 10,000 year creation, and the creation that made the earth "old". Frankly, if someone can create matter out of nothing, what's to keep him from making it millions of years old?

Again, not to get things off track or anything...

[Knockout_Power]

Loving the debate guys, love reading this stuff

just opted out of the post I had written about Uranus... it was quite insightful, but it has no place in a serious thread like this

[Rwy]

im curious marcus do you not believe we where visited before...just look at how far technology has come in the 60 years since the Roswell incident do you not believe we may have reverse engineered some of there technology and that's why we are where we are today...im not a conspiracy theory guy but I am intreaged and listen to both sides of things of this nature...

Hmmm interesting idea. I never thought about this. I think they def have had some sort of interaction or I am watching way too much sci fi

[ghettoboyd]

Hmmm interesting idea. I never thought about this. I think they def have had some sort of interaction or I am watching way too much sci fi

yea im guilty of watching ancient aliens on the history channel a bit to much but that's the only tv that I enjoy is documentary type stuff otherwise I feel like im wasting my time...

[ppwc1985]

Ok Marcus, I'm gonna throw my 2 cents in. This is directed at guy who says Christians wouldn't want to know about aliens. I am a Christian, but I'm one who was when young, fell away than found my way back, I do know my bible, and the fact is the bible does say there is life on other planets. Our planet was the only one that fell though. And we can never know or understand everything. Ppl bring up dinosaurs, well I can show you where they are in the bible too. I believe in ufos, and I do think they found something back in the day that is where we have gotten alot of our technology, I believe stealth tech came from a crashed vessel. And as far as some of the science like carbon dating, how you going to date something without know exactly when something exsisted 100 million years ago when none of us was there. Fact is there is a war going on that started in heaven, it goes on all around us. Satan hates us humans cause god loves us. He is doing whatever he can to make you not believe. There was 72 prophesies about Jesus and they all came true. Everything happening in the world today concerning the last days is happening. To thing that the amazing things in our world down to atoms and cells just happen from a Big Bang is just not using common sense. But these are my beliefs, it's up to each one of us to make your own decisions just my 2 cents..

[panntastic]

Surely with all this new found science regarding the Higgs boson particle that was recently discovers at CERN Switzerland and now that it has been proven maybe science can answer a lot more questions about origin.

I believe there is other life out there. There has to be. Billions and billions of planetary bodies just 1 of them must contain living species.

I watched a documentary about Stonehenge and a possible way them huge stones got from Wales all the way to their resting place now.
The program said the use of waterways really assisted the people creating them.
Now with this in mind and looking at Egypts irrigation technology its possible the stones for pyramids could have been floated if necessary.

I am open to all ideas though

[ironbeck]

You guys know how busy the traffic in our skies with planes?? well we would be none the wiser to find out just outside our solar system there is just as busy traffic, heck right outside earths orbit? Is it that ludicrous ?

[MR-FQ320]

Ok Marcus, I'm gonna throw my 2 cents in. This is directed at guy who says Christians wouldn't want to know about aliens. I am a Christian, but I'm one who was when young, fell away than found my way back, I do know my bible, and the fact is the bible does say there is life on other planets. Our planet was the only one that fell though. And we can never know or understand everything. Ppl bring up dinosaurs, well I can show you where they are in the bible too. I believe in ufos, and I do think they found something back in the day that is where we have gotten alot of our technology, I believe stealth tech came from a crashed vessel. And as far as some of the science like carbon dating, how you going to date something without know exactly when something exsisted 100 million years ago when none of us was there. Fact is there is a war going on that started in heaven, it goes on all around us. Satan hates us humans cause god loves us. He is doing whatever he can to make you not believe. There was 72 prophesies about Jesus and they all came true. Everything happening in the world today concerning the last days is happening. To thing that the amazing things in our world down to atoms and cells just happen from a Big Bang is just not using common sense. But these are my beliefs, it's up to each one of us to make your own decisions just my 2 cents..

Name the 72 prophecies.

[ppwc1985]

Yea, no but I will give you the very first one. Genesis 3:15, it would take me all day to get them all and I'm not here to prove nothing. I just put my own beliefs about aliens and other worlds in. If you want to know pick up a bible and learn.

[ppwc1985]

And I was wrong about the amount, there was actually over 300 pointing to the birth, life and death of Christ.

[marcus300]

Ok Marcus, I'm gonna throw my 2 cents in. This is directed at guy who says Christians wouldn't want to know about aliens. I am a Christian, but I'm one who was when young, fell away than found my way back, I do know my bible, and the fact is the bible does say there is life on other planets. Our planet was the only one that fell though. And we can never know or understand everything. Ppl bring up dinosaurs, well I can show you where they are in the bible too. I believe in ufos, and I do think they found something back in the day that is where we have gotten alot of our technology, I believe stealth tech came from a crashed vessel. And as far as some of the science like carbon dating, how you going to date something without know exactly when something exsisted 100 million years ago when none of us was there. Fact is there is a war going on that started in heaven, it goes on all around us. Satan hates us humans cause god loves us. He is doing whatever he can to make you not believe. There was 72 prophesies about Jesus and they all came true. Everything happening in the world today concerning the last days is happening. To thing that the amazing things in our world down to atoms and cells just happen from a Big Bang is just not using common sense. But these are my beliefs, it's up to each one of us to make your own decisions just my 2 cents..

Do you really believe this? with all the science facts do you really believe there is a war going on between heaven and hell and that god created man? Thanks for your input and it makes very interesting reading but if the answers to my questions are YES were is the prove?

[marcus300]

Surely with all this new found science regarding the Higgs boson particle that was recently discovers at CERN Switzerland and now that it has been proven maybe science can answer a lot more questions about origin.

I believe there is other life out there. There has to be. Billions and billions of planetary bodies just 1 of them must contain living species.

I watched a documentary about Stonehenge and a possible way them huge stones got from Wales all the way to their resting place now.
The program said the use of waterways really assisted the people creating them.
Now with this in mind and looking at Egypts irrigation technology its possible the stones for pyramids could have been floated if necessary.

I am open to all ideas though

I think your hitting on something here Pann

[panntastic]

I think your hitting on something here Pann

It's WIDE ope to interpretation but men back then were wise, strong and skilled with hand tools.
There's a huge gap in history where man didn't really accomplish any great feats or at least we slowed down
Machu pichu
Pyramids
Great Wall of china
All done by men with their hands and heads nothing more

[MR-FQ320]

Yea, no but I will give you the very first one. Genesis 3:15, it would take me all day to get them all and I'm not here to prove nothing. I just put my own beliefs about aliens and other worlds in. If you want to know pick up a bible and learn.

And I was wrong about the amount, there was actually over 300 pointing to the birth, life and death of Christ.

The Bible was written 400 years AFTER Jesus' death right ?

I am a moral Christian - its a good moral guide for life but when it comes to facts and science I am very sceptical to say the least, just my own opinion and I do respect others opinions including yours.

[ghettoboyd]

I believe in a higher power/god but there is a part of me that has a problem with the bible especially the part of adam and eve and us all originating from the first humans on earth...that's just seems impossible or we are all children of incest(which im sure the bible frown upon)....I guess the point im making is that the bible reminds me of greek mythology which was a kind of religion in a way that the storys told or taught the people of the time morals ect...im not trying to piss of the religious just saying that im more spiritual than religious cus a part of me also feels there is someone watching over me cus ive been lucky in life far to many times to feel it just coincidence

[Black]

I prefer other books of fiction over the Bible, like Lord of the Rings.

Religion and a science is an argument in itself, but lets not try to derail this space/alien thread anymore. I love reading this stuff.

[ppwc1985]

Considering that Christ quoted scripture I would say the bible, the Old Testament was written before he was born. And to each his own on if you believe or not. I guess we will all find out one day. And yes Marcus I believe, for alot of reasons the bible just being one. And for threads sake, if not god than we live for 100 years or less than that's it, boom were done. I think we have a reason for being here, and k don't think we will ever understand everything. But back to aliens and such. Good tread though.

[marcus300]

Considering that Christ quoted scripture I would say the bible, the Old Testament was written before he was born. And to each his own on if you believe or not. I guess we will all find out one day. And yes Marcus I believe, for alot of reasons the bible just being one. And for threads sake, if not god than we live for 100 years or less than that's it, boom were done. I think we have a reason for being here, and k don't think we will ever understand everything. But back to aliens and such. Good tread though.

That's fair enough if that's what you believe but what gets me in this god created earth is billions of people believe in different gods wtf!, there are many thing we still can't explain so we use god as the explanation and if god did create earth/man who created god? The whole idea surrounding god isn't logical, its just an idea, a business and a lie to control masses with fear. Years ago we use think god create fire and lighting because we couldn't explain how it happens but these days as science gets more advance we can explain things. There are still things we can't explain so we will use god for the explanation because we just haven't reached this stage of understanding yet. Science is developing fast and religion is becoming less and less involved in peoples life's now because we have explanation what contradict the bible and the whole god thing. I do read both sides of the debate and that's why I asked you to show me proof of this war going on between heaven and hell just so I could get a better understanding whats going on in your head but a lot of what I read seems like years of brain washing to control the masses. I must admit I am not well up on the whole god and science thing that's why it interests me to listen to both sides

[panntastic]

I'm a man of science myself but I respect other beliefs
Like marcus said With anything there I 2 sides of the story.
I feel educated enough to make my own mind up on fact or fiction.
Who knows maybe one day we will all be proven wrong and could all be living in huge breeding fields as depicted in the film the matrix.

[Flagg]

Ok Marcus, I'm gonna throw my 2 cents in. This is directed at guy who says Christians wouldn't want to know about aliens. I am a Christian, but I'm one who was when young, fell away than found my way back, I do know my bible, and the fact is the bible does say there is life on other planets. Our planet was the only one that fell though. And we can never know or understand everything. Ppl bring up dinosaurs, well I can show you where they are in the bible too. I believe in ufos, and I do think they found something back in the day that is where we have gotten alot of our technology, I believe stealth tech came from a crashed vessel. And as far as some of the science like carbon dating, how you going to date something without know exactly when something exsisted 100 million years ago when none of us was there. Fact is there is a war going on that started in heaven, it goes on all around us. Satan hates us humans cause god loves us. He is doing whatever he can to make you not believe. There was 72 prophesies about Jesus and they all came true. Everything happening in the world today concerning the last days is happening. To thing that the amazing things in our world down to atoms and cells just happen from a Big Bang is just not using common sense. But these are my beliefs, it's up to each one of us to make your own decisions just my 2 cents..

Well I can prove the earth is at least ONE MILLION years old. I believe the evidence that shows it is at least FIVE BILLION, but I can prove the earth is at least one million years old. And humans didn't exist in the fashion a million years ago that we do today.

Satan doesn't hate us cause Satan doesnt exist. Man hates himself.

[panntastic]

Barenaked ladies said it best

Our whole universe was in a hot dense state,
Then nearly fourteen billion years ago expansion started. Wait...
The Earth began to cool,
The autotrophs began to drool,
Neanderthals developed tools,
We built a wall (we built the pyramids),
Math, science, history, unraveling the mysteries,
That all started with the big bang!

BANG!

"Since the dawn of man" is really not that long,
As every galaxy was formed in less time than it takes to sing this song.
A fraction of a second and the elements were made.
The bipeds stood up straight,
The dinosaurs all met their fate,
They tried to leap but they were late
And they all died (they froze their asses off)
The oceans and Pangea
( From: http://www.elyrics.net )
See ya, wouldn't wanna be ya
Set in motion by the same big bang!

It all started with the big BANG!
Lyrics from <a href="http://www.elyrics.net">eLyrics.net

Also theme tune to the Big Bang theory

[RajaSultan]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013...?ncid=webmail7



An alien world seven times the size of Jupiter has been found in a distant star system.

Astronomers detected clouds of carbon monoxide and water vapour around the huge gassy planet, orbiting a star 130 light years away.

The study is the most detailed yet of the atmosphere of an "exoplanet".

In future, scientists hope to use similar techniques to uncover signatures of life in the atmospheres of Earth-like worlds.

The planet, known as HR 8799c, has seven times the mass of Jupiter and is one of four similar planets distantly orbiting the star.

Observations suggest the solar system was created in a similar way to our own, with gas giants forming far away from their parent star and smaller, rocky planets closer in.

If this model is correct, there could be as-yet undetected Earth-like planets waiting to be found.

"The results suggest the HR 8799 system is like a scaled-up Solar System," said Dr Quinn Kanopacky, one of the astronomers from the University of Toronto in Canada.


Light wavelength "colours" act like fingerprints for different elements. By studying the light from a distant planet, scientists can make assumptions about what elements are contained in its atmosphere.

The presence of oxygen's cousin ozone or carbon dioxide, for instance, could indicate that a world harbours life.

Because HR 8799c is so big and far out - about the same distance from its star as Pluto is from the Sun - astronomers were able to image it directly rather than infer its presence.

The observations were made using the Keck II 10-metre telescope in Hawaii, one of the two largest optical telescopes in the world.

Dr Bruce Macintosh, from the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California, US, one of the co-authors of the research published in the journal Science, said: "This is the sharpest spectrum ever obtained of an extrasolar planet. This shows the power of directly imaging a planetary system. It is the exquisite resolution afforded by these new observations that has allowed us to really begin to probe planet formation

not happy they even found an earth like planet called "gliesce 581c" which is bigger then earth ... sigh we can never travel there they even made a video saying if they made even the fastest and best rocket it would still take 77 YEARS TO GO THERE ONLY

no use of finding planets .....

[RajaSultan]

This may sound crazy but I think they already know and have found life on other planets. They just know the general public (religious people) would not be able to handle it

actually agree wit u maybe they did cuz there hav been lots of UFO sightings .. NASA hiding things ... area 51 ... etc .... i think they do it cuz the public wud just go crazy saying alien attack and shiz

[MR-FQ320]

That's fair enough if that's what you believe but what gets me in this god created earth is billions of people believe in different gods wtf!, there are many thing we still can't explain so we use god as the explanation and if god did create earth/man who created god? The whole idea surrounding god isn't logical, its just an idea, a business and a lie to control masses with fear. Years ago we use think god create fire and lighting because we couldn't explain how it happens but these days as science gets more advance we can explain things. There are still things we can't explain so we will use god for the explanation because we just haven't reached this stage of understanding yet. Science is developing fast and religion is becoming less and less involved in peoples life's now because we have explanation what contradict the bible and the whole god thing. I do read both sides of the debate and that's why I asked you to show me proof of this war going on between heaven and hell just so I could get a better understanding whats going on in your head but a lot of what I read seems like years of brain washing to control the masses. I must admit I am not well up on the whole god and science thing that's why it interests me to listen to both sides

I don't think the god idea is to control the masses with fear, IMO it was to ensure mankinds survival, to give the masses hope, the Ten Commandments are still valid today, they weren't even new ifeas they were good old Roman morals, if you believed in a god it gives you hope ( a false hope IMO) and a reason and justification for existence, take that away and what have you left ? Nothing but greed for power and money which is modern mankind

[zaggahamma]

who is "they" in they already know ....just the U.S. government?

[RajaSultan]

who is "they" in they already know ....just the U.S. government?

everyone who know's what's happening in space too much

[Black]

This country was founded on deceit, lies, rape and murder. Why would anything change from then to now?

[Flagg]

PPWC1985.

We know the earth is at least 1 million years old due to ice cores. I'm glad I have a day off work today so I can go into more detail.

Icecores, like tree rings, can show us a glimpse of the past and what the atmosphere was like and they can do this going back 100's of thousands of years. How do we know this accurate, because you can see exactly what the summer was like last year, 2 years ago, 3 years ago and so on with these things.

Ice cores are extracted from places like Antartica and brought back to the lab for study so scientists can determine what the weather was like thousands of years ago. Now when snows fall on the continents they form layers, but the snow of summers, with their and dust, has a different look, a darker layer. This makes layer counting easier. The kind of information gathered here can determine the temperature from isotope measurements. We can also determine the rate of precipitation from this, what kind of gasses were in the atmosphere at the time and so on. We can get data going back at least 800,000 years with this currently.

Some of the deeper blocks of ice at the poles, that go some 3km down, could probably give us information going back 1 million years. And how do we know this works? Because we can determine what kind of winters and summers we had last year, what the atmosphere composition was like and we can use an ice core dating back last year to corroborate this.

[Zodiac82]

im curious marcus do you not believe we where visited before...just look at how far technology has come in the 60 years since the Roswell incident do you not believe we may have reverse engineered some of there technology and that's why we are where we are today...im not a conspiracy theory guy but I am intreaged and listen to both sides of things of this nature...

great point....reverse engineering would be a good explanation for the sudden leap of technology....

Should we assume that other lifeforms need water and oxygen to exist?

reading through the post I was waiting for someone to say this....WE need water and oxygen....doesnt mean another life form does....they say life cant exist on mercury....why because its too close to the sun? does that mean another lifeform doesnt thrive from that kind of environment? hell its places on earth that extreme for us that has lifeforms there

yea im guilty of watching ancient aliens on the history channel a bit to much but that's the only tv that I enjoy is documentary type stuff otherwise I feel like im wasting my time...

lol BINGO....me as well....actually one of my favorite shows....I am a believer in a higher power/ god but doesnt mean im closed minded....has any thought that all these heavenly "gods" that all these civilizations believed in a saw....were actually alien visitations? a book called Chariot of the gods is a good read

Surely with all this new found science regarding the Higgs boson particle that was recently discovers at CERN Switzerland and now that it has been proven maybe science can answer a lot more questions about origin.

I believe there is other life out there. There has to be. Billions and billions of planetary bodies just 1 of them must contain living species.

I watched a documentary about Stonehenge and a possible way them huge stones got from Wales all the way to their resting place now.
The program said the use of waterways really assisted the people creating them.
Now with this in mind and looking at Egypts irrigation technology its possible the stones for pyramids could have been floated if necessary.

I am open to all ideas though

just watched somethin on the higgs
boson last night....and that open up a host it new theories....
granted that water ways may have been a way of moving the giant rocks....but it doesn't explain how they were stacked that high or the exact replica of our constellations

[Zodiac82]

I believe we have been visited and they government does know abourt ET life....explain why they felt a need to start Project Blue Book....or the Majestic 12....explain the UFOs over the capitol building in 1952....forget the Roswell incident (that was a cover up by the way)has anyone heard of the Battle of Los Angeles....and no im not talking about the movie lol....its were out government and soldiers shot at a UFO for hours over LA....or the Voronezsh Incident....bottom line we have been visited and we arent alone

[marcus300]

I believe we have been visited and they government does know abourt ET life....explain why they felt a need to start Project Blue Book....or the Majestic 12....explain the UFOs over the capitol building in 1952....forget the Roswell incident (that was a cover up by the way)has anyone heard of the Battle of Los Angeles....and no im not talking about the movie lol....its were out government and soldiers shot at a UFO for hours over LA....or the Voronezsh Incident....bottom line we have been visited and we arent alone

Ive never heard of anything like this before, care to explain the above in more detail and any reading material what I could have a glance at regarding all of this?

[Zodiac82]

Ive never heard of anything like this before, care to explain the above in more detail and any reading material what I could have a glance at regarding all of this?

sure thing it may take a min....im on my phone lol

[Hazard]

I remember reading someplace that supposedly a UFO had crashed and witnesses saw men in black suits guarding the area while military personnel came to the scene. It was said within 1-2 years after that incident we developed fiber optics, Kevlar, and something else. Supposedly a witness had seen an alien body with a suit on and the body looked unharmed (Kevlar) and the ship had lights that could bend (fiber optics)