Fwow?? we can be revived 1 day after death ?!?!?!?

[RajaSultan]

http://zidbits.com/2011/02/can-a-hum...-back-to-life/

http://www.livescience.com/6594-myst...s-brought.html


and some guy's comment i found

"It's an interesting idea that does have some scientific merit. While it is possible to freeze the body and thaw it without too much damage, they are still along way away from reviving the dead. The idea being that if a person is dying of old age or cancer or disease, they can have their body frozen and stored until the technology is available to revive them in a healthy state again. Well, much of this future technology is based upon something called "nanotechnology."

See: Corpses Frozen for Future Rebirth by Arizona Company
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/…

Doctors Use Nanotechnology to Improve Health Care
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/01/techno…

Nanotechnology exists and actually works. The government and the military are pouring millions into nanotechnology based research. So, maybe cryogenics isn't so far fetched after all.

However, I do not see why one would want to extend their life by being frozen and then revived at some later (unknown) date. Human cloning is a far more efficient method for life extension. Twin studies and a branch of physics called quantum mechanics says that as a cloned person matures, they and their genomic donor would likely become one and the same person, same consciousness. Now that's truly exciting. Wouldn't be really neat to have a little you to raise the way that you know you should have been raised? You would have a second change at doing all the things that you can't get done in this life time. The possibilities are enormous."

[panntastic]

I thought we needed to reach absolute zero (-459.67°f) to be able to safely achieve cryostatis?
If they have achieved this then ignore this comment I haven't looked into this in some time

[Times Roman]

http://zidbits.com/2011/02/can-a-hum...-back-to-life/

http://www.livescience.com/6594-myst...s-brought.html


and some guy's comment i found

"It's an interesting idea that does have some scientific merit. While it is possible to freeze the body and thaw it without too much damage, they are still along way away from reviving the dead. The idea being that if a person is dying of old age or cancer or disease, they can have their body frozen and stored until the technology is available to revive them in a healthy state again. Well, much of this future technology is based upon something called "nanotechnology."

See: Corpses Frozen for Future Rebirth by Arizona Company
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/…

Doctors Use Nanotechnology to Improve Health Care
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/01/techno…

Nanotechnology exists and actually works. The government and the military are pouring millions into nanotechnology based research. So, maybe cryogenics isn't so far fetched after all.

However, I do not see why one would want to extend their life by being frozen and then revived at some later (unknown) date. Human cloning is a far more efficient method for life extension. Twin studies and a branch of physics called quantum mechanics says that as a cloned person matures, they and their genomic donor would likely become one and the same person, same consciousness. Now that's truly exciting. Wouldn't be really neat to have a little you to raise the way that you know you should have been raised? You would have a second change at doing all the things that you can't get done in this life time. The possibilities are enormous."

Never heard of this. where did you get this information from?

[krugerr]

I thought we needed to reach absolute zero (-459.67°f) to be able to safely achieve cryostatis?
If they have achieved this then ignore this comment I haven't looked into this in some time

Theoretically it is impossible to reach absolute zero (0*K), because at this tempreture, no molecule activity is present, there is no energy present. This makes it impossible to measure. In order to measure zero kelvin, you need energy, which would make it just above zero kelvin!


I wasnt aware that this tempreture was needed for cryogenic freezing, getting the body to close to this would stop pretty much all energy expenditure. I was under the impression they were already cryogenically freezing people, but they didnt have the technology to bring them out of this yet.

[krugerr]

Human cloning is a far more efficient method for life extension. Twin studies and a branch of physics called quantum mechanics says that as a cloned person matures, they and their genomic donor would likely become one and the same person, same consciousness. Now that's truly exciting. Wouldn't be really neat to have a little you to raise the way that you know you should have been raised? You would have a second change at doing all the things that you can't get done in this life time. The possibilities are enormous."

You can successfully clone now, although it is against many regulations and laws. They did clone a sheep many years ago, that sheep was fine and lived a long life. Its fair to say we cant know if that sheeps conciousness was the same as the original, but I would suggest that is a silly idea.

It does sound quite fun though, as you said, to be able to clone yourself a few times, get 1 of them to study martial arts, the other to study science, the other math etc, and all of them would share the same conciousness, so you would know everything they have learned. Thats a quick way to learn!

[RajaSultan]

Never heard of this. where did you get this information from?

yahoo answers some guy posted about it lol

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...5104851AAzqhwc

You can successfully clone now, although it is against many regulations and laws. They did clone a sheep many years ago, that sheep was fine and lived a long life. Its fair to say we cant know if that sheeps conciousness was the same as the original, but I would suggest that is a silly idea.

It does sound quite fun though, as you said, to be able to clone yourself a few times, get 1 of them to study martial arts, the other to study science, the other math etc, and all of them would share the same conciousness, so you would know everything they have learned. Thats a quick way to learn!

wow that wud be fun but is there a risk of the twin being sad and thinking of revenge for being a clone like an evil twin/clone wud clone myself to learn stuff

[krugerr]

wow that wud be fun but is there a risk of the twin being sad and thinking of revenge for being a clone like an evil twin/clone wud clone myself to learn stuff[/QUOTE]

Meh, I think when this becomes a commonplace practice, people wont mind. Initially its going to be a very taboo subject, especially among the religious section of society. I doubt any 'evil clones' will come about, because they're going to be you, they'll have initially the same life goals and interests. I imagine anyway.
This'll be the perfect opertunity to see if Nature>Nurture. A clone of me being brought up in a very different situation may lead to a different personality of myself. I feel I am the way I am due to my upbringing, it would be cool to see if I would still be the same under different circumstances.

I love this topic, we touched on this very briefly at A-level physics. I wish I could have learned more about it.

[Times Roman]

yahoo answers some guy posted about it lol

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...5104851AAzqhwc



wow that wud be fun but is there a risk of the twin being sad and thinking of revenge for being a clone like an evil twin/clone wud clone myself to learn stuff

I would be EXTREMELY skeptical about a shared consciousness. Identical twins are even closer than clones, as they share the same bdate. So why is it identical twins do not share a common consciousness?

In fact, unless you have better information, I'd have to say I flat out don't believe it.

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it is funny to me the rubbish people come up with..

[krugerr]

it is funny to me the rubbish people come up with..

True, but without these forward thinkers we'd be living in huts made of mud

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True, but without these forward thinkers we'd be living in huts made of mud

We would not know any different and would that be so bad??

[krugerr]

We would not know any different and would that be so bad??

We wouldn't know different, but then no one would have knowledge of nutrition and where would we get our AAS??
I like my computer, YouPorn, TV, electronic scales, etc!

[thegodfather]

Cryogenics with regards to freezing an entire human body is not possible, and not just because we cant currently bring the people out of cryostasis, but because of 'fracturing' events during the freezing process. Look this up, basically the body needs to be frozen uniformally, and an anti-freeze like solution needs to be circulated throughout the body to prevent massive amounts of cells from being lysed during the freezing process (if a fracturing event occurs, millions of cells can be lysed, and this is most crucial with regards to the brain, as all of the 'information' stored threre would be irrepairably damaged.

However, with regards to cryogenics and single organ systems, a professor has successfully frozen a liver for over one year, and then successfully transplanted it into an animal species. This is an incremental step towards being able to cryogenically freeze an entire person, but reanimating a single small organ is a much easier task than reanimating an entire human organism. You do not need to reach absolute zero to cryogenically freeze an organ/organism, the entire point of the freezing process is to halt cellular respiration/metabolism. This can be achieved with liquid nitrogen and relatively cool temperatures (when compared to things like 0 Kelivn). The cells avoid damage if there is no active metabolism because they are in state of stasis. This is why people who have slipped under lakes and 'drowned' have been revived up to 1+ hours later, the brains metabolism slows drastically, reducing its need for oxygen, and preventing cell death due to oxygen deprivation. It similarly preserves all the other organs in the body when emersing the body in water at temperatures <40* Farenheit. However, we speak about the brain because there is not much use in reviving the person if the brain has experienced a significant amount of damage and cell death.

[RajaSultan]

wow that wud be fun but is there a risk of the twin being sad and thinking of revenge for being a clone like an evil twin/clone wud clone myself to learn stuff

the sheep you talked about being cloned was called dolly and it died 7 years later from cancer or some disease ... cloning gives them diseases like heart disease cancer etc .. and when you clone something lets say myself it will start from the young age ... there was 1 woman who cloned her dead cat for i don't know $50,000 and the cat was born from a young age ... lol who would want to clone themselves from a young age

[Euroholic]

I think i prefer stem cell and gentic engineering. I could not even go to gym eat one meal a day like sick beard and still look like franco columbo.

[bdos]

when your times up your times up, what's the point of postponing the inevitable?

[RajaSultan]

when your times up your times up, what's the point of postponing the inevitable?

science and history ... maybe after reviving us they can make us younger also????? futureeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[bdos]

science and history ... maybe after reviving us they can make us younger also????? futureeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Im 50/50 on it good idea concept but fvck me I don't want to go to school again and pay more tax's

[RajaSultan]

Im 50/50 on it good idea concept but fvck me I don't want to go to school again and pay more tax's

well we could at least enjoy those tall buildings flying cars etc .....i hope

[krugerr]

Cryogenics with regards to freezing an entire human body is not possible, and not just because we cant currently bring the people out of cryostasis, but because of 'fracturing' events during the freezing process. Look this up, basically the body needs to be frozen uniformally, and an anti-freeze like solution needs to be circulated throughout the body to prevent massive amounts of cells from being lysed during the freezing process (if a fracturing event occurs, millions of cells can be lysed, and this is most crucial with regards to the brain, as all of the 'information' stored threre would be irrepairably damaged.

However, with regards to cryogenics and single organ systems, a professor has successfully frozen a liver for over one year, and then successfully transplanted it into an animal species. This is an incremental step towards being able to cryogenically freeze an entire person, but reanimating a single small organ is a much easier task than reanimating an entire human organism. You do not need to reach absolute zero to cryogenically freeze an organ/organism, the entire point of the freezing process is to halt cellular respiration/metabolism. This can be achieved with liquid nitrogen and relatively cool temperatures (when compared to things like 0 Kelivn). The cells avoid damage if there is no active metabolism because they are in state of stasis. This is why people who have slipped under lakes and 'drowned' have been revived up to 1+ hours later, the brains metabolism slows drastically, reducing its need for oxygen, and preventing cell death due to oxygen deprivation. It similarly preserves all the other organs in the body when emersing the body in water at temperatures <40* Farenheit. However, we speak about the brain because there is not much use in reviving the person if the brain has experienced a significant amount of damage and cell death.

"As water freezes, it expands. Since cells are made up of mostly water, freezing expands the “stuff” inside which destroys their cell walls and they die. The cryonics companies need to remove and/or replace this water. They replace it with something called a cryoprotectant. Much like the antifreeze in an automobile. This glycerol based mixture stops and protects against your organs and tissues by hindering the formation of ice crystals. This process is called “vitrification” and allows cells to live in a sort of suspended animation.
After the vitrification, your body is cooled with dry ice until it reaches -202 Fahrenheit. After this pre-cooling, it’s finally time to insert your body into the individual container that will be placed into a metal tank filled with liquid nitrogen. This will cool the body down to a temperature of around -320 degrees Fahrenheit.
The procedure isn’t cheap. It can cost up to $200,000 to have your whole body preserved. For the more frugal optimist, a mere $60,000 will preserve your brain with an option known as neurosuspension. They hope the technology in the future will allow them to clone or regenerate the rest of the body."

And check out this facility in the US that regularly does this, it claims to have 112 people in Cryostasis, and 188 forms of DNA/tissue in Cryostasis.
http://cryonics.org/index.html

[panntastic]

"As water freezes, it expands. Since cells are made up of mostly water, freezing expands the "stuff" inside which destroys their cell walls and they die. The cryonics companies need to remove and/or replace this water. They replace it with something called a cryoprotectant. Much like the antifreeze in an automobile. This glycerol based mixture stops and protects against your organs and tissues by hindering the formation of ice crystals. This process is called "vitrification" and allows cells to live in a sort of suspended animation.
After the vitrification, your body is cooled with dry ice until it reaches -202 Fahrenheit. After this pre-cooling, it's finally time to insert your body into the individual container that will be placed into a metal tank filled with liquid nitrogen. This will cool the body down to a temperature of around -320 degrees Fahrenheit.
The procedure isn't cheap. It can cost up to $200,000 to have your whole body preserved. For the more frugal optimist, a mere $60,000 will preserve your brain with an option known as neurosuspension. They hope the technology in the future will allow them to clone or regenerate the rest of the body."

And check out this facility in the US that regularly does this, it claims to have 112 people in Cryostasis, and 188 forms of DNA/tissue in Cryostasis.
http://cryonics.org/index.html

Awesome info mate

[SeliX5]

Well, frogs and other creatures are able to be frozen and bounce back. Don't see why we couldn't replicate that process eventually. For long term freezing, I could see them sticking the bodies up in space in an orbiting freezer. Not sure if I would go for something like that, but hey... To each his own.