Gear: The Most Important Bodybuilding Factor

**Matt** · 08-20-2013, 02:36 AM

Originally Posted by chadcuz1985

"Gear number 1, nutrition number 2, sleep number 3, and training number 4"

I would agree that gear is important however to be up there with the worlds elite then genetics imo would be number 1 followed by gear.....

**OnTheSauce** · 08-21-2013, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by Matt

I would agree that gear is important however to be up there with the worlds elite then genetics imo would be number 1 followed by gear.....

Indeed. But if you haven't personally witnessed the genetic advantage, most would believe it is gear.

**OnTheSauce** · 08-21-2013, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by chadcuz1985

that's Kevin Levrone man, an uncrowned mr. O. in the eyes of many

Mine as well.

**albino** · 08-22-2013, 01:37 PM

This obviously depends on the degree you're talking about though

like, obviously diet will be more important if you're talking about bulking cleanly vs. not eating at all, but gear will be more important if you;re talking about bulking cleanly vs bulking dirty.

**Cuz** · 08-22-2013, 04:23 PM

I agree genetics play a role in your muscle bellies and how rounded out you are...how your body reacts to gear...how much lbm you can handle natty....this discussion will not ever die.

**OnTheSauce** · 08-22-2013, 07:25 PM

This is one of my closer friends. He does not use tren . Has never used more than 750 test. Never had hgh. Genetics are by far the main factor.

**austinite** · 08-22-2013, 07:26 PM

^^^ LOL! Come on man. How do you know this information?

**OnTheSauce** · 08-22-2013, 07:37 PM

Close friend, as I said. He's 250 with abs right now and hasn't lifted in 3 months.

**austinite** · 08-22-2013, 07:38 PM

I understand. Hearsay unless you sleep, eat and shit with the guy 24/7. No matter how close people are, we can't really say we know...

**OnTheSauce** · 08-22-2013, 07:44 PM

Genetics matters way more than you guys think. Like I said, until you witness it, it's hard to believe. But those ifbb guys have an advantage over us that any amount of drugs can't compensate for

**Cuz** · 08-23-2013, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by OnTheSauce

This is one of my closer friends. He does not use tren . Has never used more than 750 test. Never had hgh. Genetics are by far the main factor.

You know this guy? first of all that's awesome. Second of all...his upper mass looks like he good compete in the friggin Olympia..if he had better wheels, not that they are bad at all but ya know what im saying. This man looks AT LEAST 250 on stage...that's probably 280-290 off season. To believe he uses no tren and no more than 750mg test is a joke to me. You just don't obtain a physique like that without hardcore juice.

If its true then why would he not push the barrier and take his self farther, what would he be if he done 2g a week plus slin/gh? Kai Greene that's what. All jokes aside I wish I had friends like that, pretty insane

**ChipChelios** · 08-23-2013, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by OnTheSauce

This is one of my closer friends. He does not use tren. Has never used more than 750 test. Never had hgh. Genetics are by far the main factor.

I can see that..
You guys have to remember bodybuilding is not a sprint, it's a marathon.
I know a couple of amature bodybuilders trying to earn their pro card, they've been competing for 15-20 years, they run compounds that are easier on the body during their offseason like test, EQ, deca ...

Competition time they use the harsher stuff like tren ...

Genetic response to gear is a huge factor, nutrition is huge though....

**austinite** · 08-23-2013, 10:33 PM

This entire thread became nothing but hearsay.

**Cuz** · 08-24-2013, 11:55 AM

I could train 50 years, strict diet, and use 500mg a week and I wouldn't come close to that. Of course, he does have BMG...

**OnTheSauce** · 08-24-2013, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by chadcuz1985

You know this guy? first of all that's awesome. Second of all...his upper mass looks like he good compete in the friggin Olympia..if he had better wheels, not that they are bad at all but ya know what im saying. This man looks AT LEAST 250 on stage...that's probably 280-290 off season. To believe he uses no tren and no more than 750mg test is a joke to me. You just don't obtain a physique like that without hardcore juice.

If its true then why would he not push the barrier and take his self farther, what would he be if he done 2g a week plus slin/gh? Kai Greene that's what. All jokes aside I wish I had friends like that, pretty insane

I know quite a few very large individuals.... He uses by far the least amount of gear. He could def do something serious with his genetics. He just can't afford much of anything. He does use slin off and on. He was 255 on stage in that pic. Biggest I've see him get was 285. He hasn't lifted in months and is 250 now but still around 9% bf. genetics are ridiculous. His legs do suck though in comparison to everything else.

**Cuz** · 08-24-2013, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by OnTheSauce

I know quite a few very large individuals.... He uses by far the least amount of gear. He could def do something serious with his genetics. He just can't afford much of anything. He does use slin off and on. He was 255 on stage in that pic. Biggest I've see him get was 285. He hasn't lifted in months and is 250 now but still around 9% bf. genetics are ridiculous. His legs do suck though in comparison to everything else.

285? Surely you don't mean onstage? I mean shit, why hasn't a sponser scooped this guy up man, he is a total freak doestn matter if he is doing 250 a week or 2.5 g of test a week lol. Where is his advertisement, where are the sponsers? Affordability shouldn't be a problem if he reached that physique you wouldn't think man.

Either way man that's bad ass that you know him. Respect

**OnTheSauce** · 08-24-2013, 01:21 PM

285 off season. He doesn't do any YouTube videos or anything. He could def get some sponsors if he did that stuff... He just has kids to pay for and just does a show when he can. Works during the week like the rest of us. pros have it made Once they are able to JUST live that lifestyle. its a lot harder working 50hrs a Week and struggling to make ends meat. hard to justify extra bottles when it means your kids Wont have books or New clothes. I'm about to meet up with him for lunch lol.

Also, he never really conditions good enough to make olympia or even nationals at this point. Which some tren would def help in that regard!

**calstate23** · 08-24-2013, 01:31 PM

Perhaps people are understanding what I say and not just on here...I said genetics DON'T matter!

They matter IF you want to step on Olympia stage...They matter IF you want to be best in the world...Aka Ronnie Coleman...

But they don't matter if you just "want" to be a bodybuilder...Any person can look like a bodybuilder.....

All it takes is Hormones and Hardwork...That's it, you have those and you get yourself a pro card

**OnTheSauce** · 08-24-2013, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by calstate23

Perhaps people are understanding what I say and not just on here...I said genetics DON'T matter!

They matter IF you want to step on Olympia stage...They matter IF you want to be best in the world...Aka Ronnie Coleman...

But they don't matter if you just "want" to be a bodybuilder...Any person can look like a bodybuilder.....

All it takes is Hormones and Hardwork...That's it, you have those and you get yourself a pro card

Ill Agree with this up until the pro card part. A pro card is a lot harder. But yes anyone can be big and look like a bodybuilder

**Cuz** · 08-24-2013, 02:32 PM

out of 240000 +members on this forum that are active juicers more so than not, and all work really hard in the gym and diet...How many pro bodybuilders are members of this forum?

If it were only that easy bro I wished it was.

**calstate23** · 08-24-2013, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by chadcuz1985

out of 240000 +members on this forum that are active juicers more so than not, and all work really hard in the gym and diet...How many pro bodybuilders are members of this forum?

If it were only that easy bro I wished it was.

And out of all the people on the forum who diets correctly day in and day out? Who goes to the gym day in and day out? Who knows how to train correctly? Who takes the correct hormones? I could go on and on....

And the point, it IS that easy just no one does it and also doesn't have the knowledge to do it....