Shut down!!!!!

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wth is that? is it a big deal at all?

[Euroholic]

Huh? Like hpta? Or when a shop shuts?

[austinite]

wth is that? is it a big deal at all?

No. Just eat plenty of eggplant. You'll be fine.

[ppwc1985]

Yeah it's because we have a government full of dumbasses

[Java Man]

Nah. Not if you're a man who doesn't care to be one.

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a few down days for the Dow leading up to this, but after it is finally here, futures are slightly higher actually. this is really confusing...lol

[ppwc1985]

It's just a little game our politicians like to play i'm getting tired of. Hearing it every six months

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so all non-essential agencies take no-pay leave? sounds like a great idea anyway. probably should do this 3-4 days every wk!

[ppwc1985]

I just hope it does not effect the US Embassy in Singapore

[Java Man]

Lol. I thought this was a joke about hpta shutdown. I don't care if the government shuts down. I own guns and know how to use them so I don't need police. I'm not receiving a damned thing, never have. All I do involving my government is give 33% of my gross income and I'm sick of not getting a return. It can shut down forever. I can't think of a faster way to induce government change than to fire everybody and create a new system.

[Java Man]

so all non-essential agencies take no-pay leave? sounds like a great idea anyway. probably should do this 3-4 days every wk!

Starting with congress.

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Starting with congress.

lol. the most non-essential!

[Java Man]

lol. the most non-essential!

True that. its only fair that they get no pay too but I don't think that is happening. They wouldn't be hurt by that anyways. They all have much more wealth than any of us regular people. Even the least wealthy of the house has far more wealth than I'll ever have. Senators are nearly all independently wealthy and don't even need income from a job. Sickening.

[Honkey_Kong]

True that. its only fair that they get no pay too but I don't think that is happening. They wouldn't be hurt by that anyways. They all have much more wealth than any of us regular people. Even the least wealthy of the house has far more wealth than I'll ever have. Senators are nearly all independently wealthy and don't even need income from a job. Sickening.

The paycheque they get from their congressional job is nothing compared to the money they pissed away in order to get that job. It's really the kickbacks and bribes that make the job worth having. Even if they weren't outright taking bribes, they still had to make agreements in order to get the money for the campaign to get elected. If only there were a way to take the lobbyist money and the bribes away, we'd be set.

[Java Man]

The paycheque they get from their congressional job is nothing compared to the money they pissed away in order to get that job. It's really the kickbacks and bribes that make the job worth having. Even if they weren't outright taking bribes, they still had to make agreements in order to get the money for the campaign to get elected. If only there were a way to take the lobbyist money and the bribes away, we'd be set.

They often raise more money than they spend on campaigns. Occasionally a very rich politician spends their own banked money but that's not the norm. Yeah, lobbyists and bribes are also rampant. Just business as usual!

[DSM4Life]

It's a bad time for them to pull a move like this. Everyone is down in the dumps and is really going to careless about this shutdown. It would be like Donald Trump complaining about losing 100K in the stock market, who gives a #@$.

[Capebuffalo]

And so it was to be known as the Zombie Apocalypse

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The debt ceiling debate should be a lot more interesting. I wonder how that will turn out.

[Capebuffalo]

The debt ceiling debate should be a lot more interesting. I wonder how that will turn out.

The problem is the decision to raise the borrowing limit is usually divorced from lawmakers' legislative decisions that will necessitate future debt limit hikes.
It would be much better, to authorize debt limit increases at the same time that Congress passes bills to raise spending or cut taxes, both of which can add to deficits.

[Honkey_Kong]

They often raise more money than they spend on campaigns. Occasionally a very rich politician spends their own banked money but that's not the norm. Yeah, lobbyists and bribes are also rampant. Just business as usual!

I remember asking a staff member on Rep Elton Gallegly's campaign in the early 2000's around how much it costs to run a campaign in his district. His response was around one and a half million. And this was running practically unopposed with no TV or radio airtime (that I know of). I'm sure he had fundraisers to generate more than the actual costs, but my point is anybody who is going to give him a nice chunk of change to fund that is going to want something in return.

And as far as the wealthy who use their own money, I've yet to see one entirely fund their own campaign. But even if they did, dropping a couple $million for a chance to get a job that pays $175k is kind of a really bad bet. People who have enough business sense to make that kind of money know it's a bad investment on face value. You know they're going to use their influence to benefit themselves.

[Hazard]

Congress still gets paid Durring the shutdown.....


This is happening because the republicans want to delay obamacare. They said they'd rather have the American people pissed at them now then let obamacare fail and bankrupt us. Obama is saying "fvck you then..... I want it in so ill hold out"

IMO he's an asshole. You want to reform all of healthcare in a couple years? U can't just say okay let's delay this to make necessary changes?

[ppwc1985]

The problem is the decision to raise the borrowing limit is usually divorced from lawmakers' legislative decisions that will necessitate future debt limit hikes. It would be much better, to authorize debt limit increases at the same time that Congress passes bills to raise spending or cut taxes, both of which can add to deficits.

that makes to much sense, hence never going to happen.

[Lunk1]

The ripple effect harms everyone. They are hurting the normal day to day employees that have nothing to do with the problem. They in turn will spend less and that will effect the retail market. So on and so on. If they want to shutdown, work from the top down, not the bottom up.

[Euroholic]

Just saw this on the fox news Channel. I finely no what the hell you guys are talking about. They said the liberty statute is shuting down. Is this true? What else is closing up?

[Java Man]

The ripple effect harms everyone. They are hurting the normal day to day employees that have nothing to do with the problem. They in turn will spend less and that will effect the retail market. So on and so on. If they want to shutdown, work from the top down, not the bottom up.

I know this. I just love to bash the government at every opportunity!

On that note since I'm not a government employee do you know what has changed for me on the first.day of government being shut down? Nothing!

I guarantee they will still take 33% out of my next pay check though, even if nobody is there to deposit it. ****ers!

[Java Man]

I remember asking a staff member on Rep Elton Gallegly's campaign in the early 2000's around how much it costs to run a campaign in his district. His response was around one and a half million. And this was running practically unopposed with no TV or radio airtime (that I know of). I'm sure he had fundraisers to generate more than the actual costs, but my point is anybody who is going to give him a nice chunk of change to fund that is going to want something in return.

And as far as the wealthy who use their own money, I've yet to see one entirely fund their own campaign. But even if they did, dropping a couple $million for a chance to get a job that pays $175k is kind of a really bad bet. People who have enough business sense to make that kind of money know it's a bad investment on face value. You know they're going to use their influence to benefit themselves.

Yep. The 'what's in it for me' factor is always there. Nobody with any sense spends money on something that gives absolutely no return and these people didn't get where they are by having no sense. Some are just better at hiding their motives than others.

[t-dogg]

They have money to go to war because of chemical weapons, but don't have money to pet employes??? Sound funny to you?

[Fcastle357]

They have money to go to war because of chemical weapons, but don't have money to pet employes??? Sound funny to you?

Yes petting employees sounds funny

[Java Man]

They have money to go to war because of chemical weapons, but don't have money to pet employes??? Sound funny to you?

Where do you work? Who pets the employees? Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen

[Java Man]

Do they like it, and are.they hot is what I want to know.

[t-dogg]

**** me running. Multi typos....

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as this drags on, both sides will feel increasing pressure to solve the issue. it should be a self-limiting problem. hopefully its just a matter of time.

[austinite]

This is what happens when gov. shuts down...

[Euroholic]

This is what happens when gov. shuts down...

Does somalia still have no central government?

[austinite]

Does somalia still have no central government?

Yeah they do. Just corrupt and worthless.

[Euroholic]

Yeah they do. Just corrupt and worthless.

Haha

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End of Day 1.

[evander87]

Soooo does this shut down effect customs? Will it be faster easier to get imports in or longer?

Eat meticulous, train ridiculous for best results.

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Soooo does this shut down effect customs? Will it be faster easier to get imports in or longer?

Eat meticulous, train ridiculous for best results.

Only one way to find out

[bass]

what shut down?! they're still taking half of my paycheck! fvckers.