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    Stop blaming McDonalds for Obesity

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    Crazy. Makes sense from a weight loss standpoint (implement exercise, eating under TDEE <assuming he was>)

    Obviously not ideal for someone looking to gain LBM and lose fat. But pretty interesting nevertheless. I wish we did cool experiments like that when I was in HS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Back In Black View Post
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    Looks like it's an IIFM Approach.

    It's a great way to live but I feel it might not work with people who are carb sensitive , and I'm for sure one.

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    Duhh, watching your intake, calories, fats, carbohydrates etc and getting up off the couch to walk/exercise and you will loose weight if your already over weight? What a concept.

    Good for him though to show the rest of the people it's about personal choice, personal responsibility and to STOP blaming the big industries.

    If the Government would have done a study like this it would have cost multi millions, years to come up with an inconclusive results except for adding more regulations.

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    Not realizing that Obesity is a decease that have to do with leptin response, fructose and other factors is just starting to look ignorant. All calories are not created equal and simple argument about gluttony and sloth need to be revised, substantially!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tarmyg View Post
    Not realizing that Obesity is a decease that have to do with leptin response, fructose and other factors is just starting to look ignorant. All calories are not created equal and simple argument about gluttony and sloth need to be revised, substantially!

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    I'm confused. Are you saying it is NOT their fault for being overweight/Obese? If so I have to disagree. 9x out of 10 it's due to over eating, laziness and just plan poor diet decisions.

    Eat less, move more and you will loose wight. Yes there are exceptions to every rule but they are far and few in-between.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lovbyts View Post
    I'm confused. Are you saying it is NOT their fault for being overweight/Obese? If so I have to disagree. 9x out of 10 it's due to over eating, laziness and just plan poor diet decisions.

    Eat less, move more and you will loose wight. Yes there are exceptions to every rule but they are far and few in-between.
    I am saying that the story is way more complicated than calorie in vs. calorie out considering the effect that refined carbs have on insulin response. I assume this "9x out of 10" are made up numbers unless you have something to back that up with?

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    ^^ he ain't got no junk in his trunk..
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    Quote Originally Posted by lovbyts View Post
    I'm confused. Are you saying it is NOT their fault for being overweight/Obese? If so I have to disagree. 9x out of 10 it's due to over eating, laziness and just plan poor diet decisions.

    Eat less, move more and you will loose wight. Yes there are exceptions to every rule but they are far and few in-between.
    I'll have to agree with you lovbyts, I was 50 lbs overweight one time and it was because of me being lazy and eating like crap! I had nobody to blame but myself!
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    Unless there's a defined medical issue that is literally causing this person to gain weight then yes, it's simply over eating no matter how you look at it. Everyone has issues in life, dietary and otherwise that they have to work through to do what's best for them. You have to make an adult decision and take some personal responsibility, not look to blame all else and then look for government assistance for a problem you ultimately created.

    Sedentary lifestyles, no exercise, poor eating habits, fast food, etc. It all plays into this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by diesel101 View Post
    I'll have to agree with you lovbyts, I was 50 lbs overweight one time and it was because of me being lazy and eating like crap! I had nobody to blame but myself!
    True, it's probably closer to 9.5+
    People like to use the excuse their metabolism slows down as they age. NO, what slows down is your feet or your ass spends more time on the couch.

    I lost over 40 lbs in about 6 months by changing my diet slightly and working out mildly. I have plenty of excuses to not work out, exercise and just sit on the couch and get fat like most of America but they are just that, excuses.

    I was at the point where I was near paralyzed from the waste down due to injury. I knew I had to make a choice to either live out the rest of my life with limited mobility and be in a wheelchair very soon or do something about it and start living life again. I chose to live. It's easy to give up but Ive never liked doing things the easy way, just ask my wife. lol

    There are so few people that have legitimate thyroid problems compared to the mass majority who just eat garbage, empty calories and make excuses. It's been proven over and over and over most diabetes is from being over weight and most can be managed if not cured by getting down to a proper healthy weight.

    I understand people feel sick but it's a perpetual problem. They don't feel good so they don't exercise and since they don't exercise they don't feel good. Still they choice is theirs and they need to do something about it to make a change.

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    I'll have to agree with you lovbyts, I was 50 lbs overweight one time and it was because of me being lazy and eating like crap! I had nobody to blame but myself!
    You don't have to but it's the logical and right choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tarmyg View Post
    Not realizing that Obesity is a decease that have to do with leptin response, fructose and other factors is just starting to look ignorant. All calories are not created equal and simple argument about gluttony and sloth need to be revised, substantially!

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    Obesity as a disease is incredibly rare. Not realizing that is incredibly ignorant.
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    I've had a thyroid issue for several years but even with it being not diagnosed (my own fault) I was still able to loose 55lbs in a year. Is it easier to maintain after I got diagnosed and medicated? definitely! People tend to use it as an excuse for being lazy and not wanting to put forth the effort. IMO
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    It's good to see that the mainstream is breaking out of these crazy fad diets and realizing it's about calories in vs calories out, proper macro ratios, and for some people keeping track of your total caloric intake.

    Where I see a problem is, someone looking at this and saying as long as I burn more calories then I consume then I can eat all the McDonalds that I want and remain "healthy".

    The keyword is health, what defines healthy? Is it the quality of the food or the portion size of the food?

    People like to focus on trans fats and and high fructose corn syrup, but will they be educated enough to turn around and say "even though I lost 37lbs eating McDonalds by making sure I burnt more calories then I consumed and I had a proper 40/30/30 macro ratio, how was the quality of that food?"

    What kind of meat was that burger made of? What preservatives were added to it? What kind of bun did they use and what have they added to it to give it such a long shelf life? How fresh are these vegetables and where were they grown? Were they treated with pesticides?

    The lack of concern on that aspect is where I see a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by diesel101 View Post
    I've had a thyroid issue for several years but even with it being not diagnosed (my own fault) I was still able to loose 55lbs in a year. Is it easier to maintain after I got diagnosed and medicated? definitely! People tend to use it as an excuse for being lazy and not wanting to put forth the effort. IMO
    Good for you for not letting that stop you or using it as an excuse. I'm sure you had to work harder than most but it still can be done. I WISH I didn't have many or any of the issues I have (NO I don't mean mentally or personality...) physically but thats life. You can either deal with the cards you are dealt or decide to fold and give up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Unless there's a defined medical issue that is literally causing this person to gain weight then yes, it's simply over eating no matter how you look at it. Everyone has issues in life, dietary and otherwise that they have to work through to do what's best for them. You have to make an adult decision and take some personal responsibility, not look to blame all else and then look for government assistance for a problem you ultimately created.

    Sedentary lifestyles, no exercise, poor eating habits, fast food, etc. It all plays into this.
    I couldn't read any of the above because your avy is too sexy. I am fairly sure its at an illegal level of "too sexy".. you have been warned.... :-P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juced_porkchop View Post

    I couldn't read any of the above because your avy is too sexy. I am fairly sure its at an illegal level of "too sexy".. you have been warned.... :-P
    LMAO!! He changed his avi! !!
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    Now it's even sexier!!! lol..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Igifuno View Post
    Now it's even sexier!!! lol..
    I'm not putting out so stop begging.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thunderthor70 View Post
    LMAO!! He changed his avi! !!
    Quote Originally Posted by Igifuno View Post
    Now it's even sexier!!! lol..
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    I'm not putting out so stop begging.
    HAHAHA you guys crack me the F up! lol

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    Throw away the deep fat frier, cut out white flour, throw out white sugar and substitute sugars (Splenda etc.), don't drink soda and your diet won't be too bad. I think most of those "bad" things are what you get at fast food outlets including McD's

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Obesity as a disease is incredibly rare. Not realizing that is incredibly ignorant.
    I am thinking we have a definition issue at hand. Obesity is classified as a decease by both AMA and HHS which means 30% of the US population falls into this category, this is not rare but I doubt this is what you are referring too?!?

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    They can classify it as they wish and maybe eventually force you and I to pay for their nutritional needs until they're thin again. Hell, lets give them a free cell phone so they can call their government paid nutritionist as well.

    And yes, the classification is due to the large amount of obese people and their desire to correct and/or treat it. The AMA's own committee recommended against this classification. It's all about money. Hell, the attached article even says obesity treatments qualify for tax deductions. Maybe there should be an equal tax deduction for those that maintain a high degree of fitness and are less of a burden to society?

    Where is the personal responsibility?


    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/19/bu...ease.html?_r=0
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel
    Maybe there should be an equal tax deduction for those that maintain a high degree of fitness and are less of a burden to society? ]
    Wow.. How's that for motivation to get you bf% down?

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    The spread of Obesity is on epidemic proportions including children as young as 6 month old. Should we include the 6-month olds in the gluttony and sloth and personal responsibility circle also? Anyone want to explain Obesity by simply pointing at people being lazy also have to explain the 6-month olds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tarmyg View Post
    The spread of Obesity is on epidemic proportions including children as young as 6 month old. Should we include the 6-month olds in the gluttony and sloth and personal responsibility circle also? Anyone want to explain Obesity by simply pointing at people being lazy also have to explain the 6-month olds.

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    I don't know, but it could be the same reason why my obese neighbor's kids are fat, and so are all three of their dogs. It's what they eat, its their lifestyle.

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    I agree that personal responsibility should be taken for the individual. However, as shown below the blame rest solely on the parents.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Stop blaming McDonalds for Obesity-jessica-worlds-fattest-girl-1.jpg  

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    Quote Originally Posted by tarmyg View Post
    Not realizing that Obesity is a decease that have to do with leptin response, fructose and other factors is just starting to look ignorant. All calories are not created equal and simple argument about gluttony and sloth need to be revised, substantially!

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    its not a decease, most obesity is a choice. this video is a great example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovbyts View Post
    Duhh, watching your intake, calories, fats, carbohydrates etc and getting up off the couch to walk/exercise and you will loose weight if your already over weight? What a concept.

    Good for him though to show the rest of the people it's about personal choice, personal responsibility and to STOP blaming the big industries.

    If the Government would have done a study like this it would have cost multi millions, years to come up with an inconclusive results except for adding more regulations.
    ^^^ this. simple mathematics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tarmyg View Post
    The spread of Obesity is on epidemic proportions including children as young as 6 month old. Should we include the 6-month olds in the gluttony and sloth and personal responsibility circle also? Anyone want to explain Obesity by simply pointing at people being lazy also have to explain the 6-month olds.

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    Like the trickle down theory of economics. The poor child is eating the same foods that made his parents obese. I'm not surprised the child gets fat. There really are stupid, lazy people out there and it's not the governments responsibility to take care of them all. Unfortunately, people have to suffer the consequences of their actions until they change direction in their lives. Every self-induced malady isn't a disease and that term is way to broad in this case, imho.

    And yes, regarding a medical condition that caused a persons obesity. Odds are the answer will be no. Their medical conditions are a result of being obese, not the other way around. It's a self-indulgent, immediate gratification society which is part of the problem. Everyone expects society to "do for them" instead of doing for themselves.

    My god, just go to the grocery store and take a look in the cart of one of the obese shoppers. You'll see why their obese.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Igifuno View Post
    I don't know, but it could be the same reason why my obese neighbor's kids are fat, and so are all three of their dogs. It's what they eat, its their lifestyle.
    Maybe the dog's should walk the people!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel
    Maybe the dog's should walk the people!
    Those poor things would if they could. I walk my dog at least twice a day and my younger daughter does as well at least twice a day. We let him run and play, etc.

    I NEVER see my neighbor take any of his 3 dogs for walks and the only time I ever see the dogs outside is when he stands in the doorway of his backyard with the door open, dog leashed and he lets his dog do his business but you never step foot outside. Then he sends one of his kids out eventually to clean it. It's really sad and disgusting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post

    My god, just go to the grocery store and take a look in the cart of one of the obese shoppers. You'll see why their obese.
    Exactly.... Cases of soda and diet soda is even worse, all sorts of junk food, canned food or pre made processed meals and almost nothing fresh, no fruits or anything you have to actually cook.

    The real epidemic is ignorance and not taking any self responsibility.

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