Out of control rules and paperwork

**lovbyts** · 01-19-2014, 12:28 AM

Our government at work.
How is this OK with anyone and who thinks all this bureaucracy is a good thing? Tell me Government hasn't gotten to big and out of control.

Yeah the video is to long for most of you. Watch the first 4-5 minutes and you will get the idea.

Sorry this stuff just drives me crazy and makes me mad. This stuff could really effect most anyone here giving diet, training or aas advise.

**bass** · 01-19-2014, 01:15 AM

are you kidding! I couldn't stop watching. this is not new to me as you can understand, I run a business and you can imagine what I and many like me go through, I have to hire 3 extra people just to do nonsense paperwork. I bet you I have broken 1000s or laws and don't even know it. fvking tyrants.

**bass** · 01-19-2014, 01:25 AM

BTW, you wonder why so many are on welfare, much easier! we look at commonest china or Russia and called them freedom oppressors when we do it "legally" and call it laws.

**bass** · 01-19-2014, 01:26 AM

now why in the hell you posted this?! now I'm pissed off! LOL

**lovbyts** · 01-19-2014, 01:36 AM

Originally Posted by bass

now why in the hell you posted this?! now I'm pissed off! LOL

LOL sorry about that but really a LOT more of us need to get pissed off and some how stop this BS. Most of these people got what was happening to them under control but only after it was publicized and enough people called them out on it.

The only way this stuff will change is if enough people stand up, do our protesting or whatever it takes to win our freedoms back. It really is a travesty what our nation has become.

Just like a few weeks ago the little girl who was selling mistletoe to raise money for her braces was told she had to stop since she did not have a license. She was told she could beg for money instead. WTF?

Same things happened last summer to kids selling lemon-aid, they were shut down and this was in rural areas.

Maybe they will go back for years and find out I use to pick and sell blue berries from the bushes growing in our front yard and arrest me. Now days I'm sure we would need some kind of agricultural license, proof of what kind of fertilizer were using and be FDA approved as well as having a permit to sell.

**Java Man** · 01-19-2014, 01:44 AM

I agree. Bureaucracy is so out of control that it costs tens of thousands annually just to keep up with the $@!&ing paperwork for the average small business. Even individuals can't get anything done without doing a mountain of paperwork and it takes months just to get a simple license or approval for anything.

First, prove you are who you say you are, then prove you need what you say you need, prove you will do what you say you will do, then prove all of that proof really is proof.... Ok now pay a $1500 fee for the privilege of doing all that paperwork.

**Bert** · 01-19-2014, 01:49 AM

When I owned my business, I remember my accountant saying, "Yes you can follow the rules, but when you run out of money they the irs are notg oing to buy groceries for your family"

**lovbyts** · 01-19-2014, 02:16 AM

Originally Posted by Java Man

I agree. Bureaucracy is so out of control that it costs tens of thousands annually just to keep up with the $@!&ing paperwork for the average small business. Even individuals can't get anything done without doing a mountain of paperwork and it takes months just to get a simple license or approval for anything.

First, prove you are who you say you are, then prove you need what you say you need, prove you will do what you say you will do, then prove all of that proof really is proof.... Ok now pay a $1500 fee for the privilege of doing all that paperwork.

You forgot, prove that your business, service or product is needed and it wont over flood your area. What a bunch of BS. Why not let supply and demand decide if the business is needed?

Originally Posted by AshopRep

When I owned my business, I remember my accountant saying, "Yes you can follow the rules, but when you run out of money they the irs are notg oing to buy groceries for your family"

Yes they will, just ask Obama. As long as you vote Democrat they will even give you a free cell phone.

**Black** · 01-19-2014, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

LOL sorry about that but really a LOT more of us need to get pissed off and some how stop this BS. Most of these people got what was happening to them under control but only after it was publicized and enough people called them out on it.

The only way this stuff will change is if enough people stand up, do our protesting or whatever it takes to win our freedoms back. It really is a travesty what our nation has become.

Just like a few weeks ago the little girl who was selling mistletoe to raise money for her braces was told she had to stop since she did not have a license. She was told she could beg for money instead. WTF?

Same things happened last summer to kids selling lemon-aid, they were shut down and this was in rural areas.

Maybe they will go back for years and find out I use to pick and sell blue berries from the bushes growing in our front yard and arrest me. Now days I'm sure we would need some kind of agricultural license, proof of what kind of fertilizer were using and be FDA approved as well as having a permit to sell.

I saw your post when I was browsing the forum on my phone and agree with it so much, I had to get on the computer and log in the website so I could 'Like' it.

Riots and protests in other countries don't necessarily get anywhere and are sometime deadly, but at least people are uniting and standing up for themselves. You never see that in America. People seem to just roll over and take it from our government. People fear the government, which is disgusting.

**Oki-Des** · 01-19-2014, 09:22 AM

Unfortunately I have been living this for years. I run a medical device manufacturing company and have to pay thousands in extra bs that keeps getting piled on. What is even crazier that many people don't know is that if an American gets a work visa to go overseas and makes over $70K they not only have to pay taxes in whatever country they are living in, but they also have to file and pay taxes still in the US! Ugh.

**DontTaseMeBro** · 01-21-2014, 12:45 PM

I own my own business, as well. I am no longer to practice the profession I trained for because I am bogged down in gathering information to create reports required by the state and federal government. If I didn't feel an obligation to my employees and their families, I would seriously consider going to work for someone else. The out-of-control bureaucracy has to stop.

**Trevtrev** · 01-21-2014, 01:47 PM

It's time for the complacent to wake up and throw everyone out. We need firm term limits. Career politicians need to go.

I know, I'm dreaming...

**bass** · 01-21-2014, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by Trevtrev

It's time for the complacent to wake up and throw everyone out. We need firm term limits. Career politicians need to go.

I know, I'm dreaming...

dreaming is a good start!

**Times Roman** · 01-22-2014, 03:50 AM

you sound like...

(dare I say?)

....a closet Libertarian!!

Originally Posted by lovbyts

Our government at work.
How is this OK with anyone and who thinks all this bureaucracy is a good thing? Tell me Government hasn't gotten to big and out of control.

Yeah the video is to long for most of you. Watch the first 4-5 minutes and you will get the idea.

Sorry this stuff just drives me crazy and makes me mad. This stuff could really effect most anyone here giving diet, training or aas advise.

**lovbyts** · 01-22-2014, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

you sound like...

(dare I say?)

....a closet Libertarian!!

Really I have no party affiliation although some say/think Republican. They are just as corrupt as anyone for the most part IMO. I call out injustice on both side when I see it and it all needs a major reform. Less not more.

**Euroholic** · 01-22-2014, 05:24 PM

Ive seen you post a few times about this obama phone luvbyts i googled it and found this website.

Have a read and tell me if it true or not please

Obama Phone: Urban Legend or Real?

**lovbyts** · 01-22-2014, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by Euroholic

Ive seen you post a few times about this obama phone luvbyts i googled it and found this website.

Have a read and tell me if it true or not please

Obama Phone: Urban Legend or Real?

Its factual more or less but they fail to tell you its grown by 400% since Obama took office. I just saw it advertised on tv the other day also. Its a sad time when they are advertising and promoting welfare and the benefits like its a lifestyle choice. That's what it has become.