Do you TRUST your doctor.............

**Times Roman** · 05-01-2014, 10:32 AM

............to be knowledgeable and give you the best advice possible?

In my humble opinion, most doctors give advice that is suitable for most people under most conditions. But that doesn't mean they are not the most knowledgeable in any given area (double negative intended).

Too many times, after reading up on a subject, and then approaching my doctor for his/her opinion, all I get is the stale old stuff they learned in med school 20 years ago.

For example, my doc got upset when I suggested we go from 200mg test c every other week, to 100mg test cyp every week. Does that make sense to you?

My doctor knows absolutely nothing about TB, nor MSM. (Really?)

So I have developed a relationship with my doc over the years, where I ask for prescription, and back it up with a valid reason why. In most cases he will fill the Rx, and occasionally, i'll jump his ass when he doesn't. And he has learned from me that if he has any doubts, instead of getting his ass jumped, he will refer me to a specialist.

My doc also told me when I was about 240lbs and at 16% BF, that I need to lose weight and get down to 185lbs, based on his vast knowledge and this handy BMI chart hanging on the wall.

**marcus300** · 05-01-2014, 10:43 AM

Yes I trust my doctor 100% he is a cool guy who is extremely caring and listens to everything I say and he helps with me any issues and gets me immediate attention if needed. He understand me which is very hard because I am a complex guy

**kelkel** · 05-01-2014, 10:56 AM

I trust mine explicitly. We have a great relationship. Basically a partnership in my health. As long as I can justify what I want he will write it for me. He trusts my judgment as I do his. Just pulled BW this morning actually and will see him next week. He always tells me he prepares more for my visits as he never knows what I'll hit him with. He always brings in one of his med students to listen to our conversations and learn.

I can email or call his cell for instant access if needed and have even had a few drinks with him. For today's blood work for a routine physical, he'll give me a script with simply one thing on it, like CBC. I then fill in the rest of what I want. Pretty cool.

**austinite** · 05-01-2014, 10:58 AM

100%. Love her. So hot, too.

**clarky.** · 05-01-2014, 11:13 AM

Yes i trust him and my endo she's quit good.

**Times Roman** · 05-01-2014, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by marcus300

Yes I trust my doctor 100% he is a cool guy who is extremely caring and listens to everything I say and he helps with me any issues and gets me immediate attention if needed. He understand me which is very hard because I am a complex guy

Originally Posted by kelkel

I trust mine explicitly. We have a great relationship. Basically a partnership in my health. As long as I can justify what I want he will write it for me. He trusts my judgment as I do his. Just pulled BW this morning actually and will see him next week. He always tells me he prepares more for my visits as he never knows what I'll hit him with. He always brings in one of his med students to listen to our conversations and learn.

I can email or call his cell for instant access if needed and have even had a few drinks with him. For today's blood work for a routine physical, he'll give me a script with simply one thing on it, like CBC. I then fill in the rest of what I want. Pretty cool.

Originally Posted by austinite

100%. Love her. So hot, too.

Originally Posted by clarky.

Yes i trust him and my endo she's quit good.

lucky me, huh?

it must be my amazing personality that attracts these quacksters?

**DCI** · 05-01-2014, 11:47 AM

Nah, doctors over here like everything else are useless go into them with anything more complex than your standard issues abd they cost a fortune to go to 80 dollars everytime you call and bormalky they spend no time.

I had an argument with mine before all ge said was take these for this long and that was it. After that I demanded my file and have been looking for a good doctor since

**Times Roman** · 05-01-2014, 11:56 AM

many doctors, mine included, are also challenged by adhering to certain "company" protocols (Kaiser). And they are really not supposed to discuss off label uses. it is a very restrictive environment, and in fact, many Indian (from India) doctors are returning to India to practice, even with a 90% pay cut.

There is this huge gap between what doctors are allowed to openly discuss (as proscribed by both the FDA and their "company" policy) and what we actually need or find useful. Many have tried to fill this gap (holistic healers, Christian scientists, etc) but there really hasn't been a satisfactory solution between modern proscribed medicine and cutting edge concepts and practices. The reality is TB500 works great with little if any sides, yet the medical community is silent on the issue. I wonder why?

**lovbyts** · 05-01-2014, 12:05 PM

I trust mine enough to give me what I need as in rx but I manage most everything myself and only tell them on a need to know basis.

**Times Roman** · 05-01-2014, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

I trust mine enough to give me what I need as in rx but I manage most everything myself and only tell them on a need to know basis.

agree. I was reviewing my online medical history, and with shock and a little anger, a comment I made my doctor over ten years ago was recorded. I commented one time while working for a very difficult employer that I was starting to drink to cope with stress (he subsequently put me on a stress control pill). The comment read something like "abusing alcohol to cope with life issues". So now it looks like I am an alcoholic. And because there are meds that are prone to abuse, they are reluctant to prescribe to me. What ever happened to Doctor/Patient confidentiality?

**derekkpapa1** · 05-01-2014, 12:12 PM

liked my doctor till he want to stick his fingers up my ass-he locked the door and dimmed the lights and then turned up the elevator music. I ran thru the wall to get out of there

**Times Roman** · 05-01-2014, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Derekjpapa

liked my doctor till he want to stick his fingers up my ass-he locked the door and dimmed the lights and then turned up the elevator music. I ran thru the wall to get out of there

would you prefer a rufie 30 minutes before? =)

**APIs** · 05-01-2014, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

agree. I was reviewing my online medical history, and with shock and a little anger, a comment I made my doctor over ten years ago was recorded. I commented one time while working for a very difficult employer that I was starting to drink to cope with stress (he subsequently put me on a stress control pill). The comment read something like "abusing alcohol to cope with life issues". So now it looks like I am an alcoholic. And because there are meds that are prone to abuse, they are reluctant to prescribe to me. What ever happened to Doctor/Patient confidentiality?

Wow, that's pretty messed up. Where did you find your on-line med history? Is that something through your insurance providers web site etc.?

**lovbyts** · 05-01-2014, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

agree. I was reviewing my online medical history, and with shock and a little anger, a comment I made my doctor over ten years ago was recorded. I commented one time while working for a very difficult employer that I was starting to drink to cope with stress (he subsequently put me on a stress control pill). The comment read something like "abusing alcohol to cope with life issues". So now it looks like I am an alcoholic. And because there are meds that are prone to abuse, they are reluctant to prescribe to me. What ever happened to Doctor/Patient confidentiality?

I got lucky and learned about things like that from others so I make sure never to say to much. I treat them the same as a cop more or less.

Once I was given an anti depression medication for chronic pain and after looking it up online before taking it I went back to the doctor and told them to put in my chart notes to NEVER prescribe me any type of antidepressants for any reason even if it has dual purposes.

Stupid doctor could have cost me my job.

**Times Roman** · 05-01-2014, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by APIs

Wow, that's pretty messed up. Where did you find your on-line med history? Is that something through your insurance providers web site etc.?

Kaiser hospital has a website, and once you log on, you can see your medical history in pretty good detail.

Originally Posted by lovbyts

I got lucky and learned about things like that from others so I make sure never to say to much. I treat them the same as a cop more or less.

Once I was given an anti depression medication for chronic pain and after looking it up online before taking it I went back to the doctor and told them to put in my chart notes to NEVER prescribe me any type of antidepressants for any reason even if it has dual purposes.

Stupid doctor could have cost me my job.

I have sleep apnea and was prescribed a CPAP. Now difficult to sleep with it. So I asked my doc for sleep meds. nothing too strong. he wrote me a Rx. I looked up what they were, and they were anti anxiety meds, with a side effect of drowsiness. Im' like WTF??? why didn't he tell me up front? I still take them, because traditional sleep meds, like ambian, are too strong.

**lovbyts** · 05-01-2014, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

Kaiser hospital has a website, and once you log on, you can see your medical history in pretty good detail.

I have sleep apnea and was prescribed a CPAP. Now difficult to sleep with it. So I asked my doc for sleep meds. nothing too strong. he wrote me a Rx. I looked up what they were, and they were anti anxiety meds, with a side effect of drowsiness. Im' like WTF??? why didn't he tell me up front? I still take them, because traditional sleep meds, like ambian, are too strong.

I thought I had sleep apnea also. Went through all the test and got the stupid machine. Cant use it even trying every different mask available.

Turns out (due to more self diagnosis) I have fibromyalgia and with the right meds now I sleep 8hrs most every night.

**Dpyle** · 05-01-2014, 04:19 PM

My TRT doc is great! She started with the clinic I was going to and stole me away when she joined a private practice. We talk openly with each other and in the beginning she encouraged me to bring in my own research on TRT treatment so she could learn more. She has since taken over as my GP and when applicable tells me about the medications she uses for similar issues and I get to decide whether or not I need the script or can deal with the problems such as stress, anxiety, sleep issues and so on.

**Times Roman** · 05-01-2014, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

I thought I had sleep apnea also. Went through all the test and got the stupid machine. Cant use it even trying every different mask available.

Turns out (due to more self diagnosis) I have fibromyalgia and with the right meds now I sleep 8hrs most every night.

I went and participated in the sleep study. My O2 levels (oxygen) dropped to 78%. this is fairly severe, and impacts cognitive functioning (memory, thought process...) amongst other things.

**HitIt** · 05-01-2014, 07:12 PM

Doctor? What doctor?

**Jessgirl** · 05-01-2014, 07:35 PM

So happy to see your still around TR !!!! It's been awhile hope everything going well. These Dr.'s today can be a pain in the ass. It's really just finding the right one for you that not only understands all of what you were or are on but that also passes no judgment !!! Good luck

**dk94** · 05-01-2014, 08:42 PM

Well im from British columbia Canadia where it is near impossible to find a family doctor, all we have is walk in clinics. Walk in, ask to see a doctor, wait 3 hours. The doctor can bill the province for 15 minutes per patient but they want you out in 5min so they can see more, theyll see 10 patients an hour and bill for 150 minutes. They are all useless, unless your persistent and nagging good luck getting referred to a specialist. Sounds like you guys have some great doctors, you get what you pay for!

**Times Roman** · 05-01-2014, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by Jessgirl

So happy to see your still around TR !!!! It's been awhile hope everything going well. These Dr.'s today can be a pain in the ass. It's really just finding the right one for you that not only understands all of what you were or are on but that also passes no judgment !!! Good luck

thank you Jess. I'm still here, still kicking. Sort of. What have you been up to?

Yes, the doctors are frustrating. But it seems if I tell them anything personal, like the drinking to cope that one time ten years ago, the little pricks write it down in my permanent medical record.

As a result, I keep my doc on a pretty short leash, and only allow him to do only the most basic stuff. If anything more than writing me a script, I'll go see a specialist. Pretty sad, really, when I have to go see a specialist to discuss back/knee pain.................?

**austinite** · 05-01-2014, 10:24 PM

**scotty51312** · 05-01-2014, 10:27 PM

I trust my doc when I can't fix things naturally. "A pill for every ill" seems to be common with every doc I've visited. She once tried to put me on blood pressure medication, so i asked about diet and activity, she told me the effects would be "negligible". I told her to wait 6 weeks then I'd go on the meds. 6 weeks of the right food and cardio and my BP was down to near perfect.

She's great if I need an antibiotic, or the occasional muscle relaxers and pain meds that come along with injury

**Shol'va** · 05-08-2014, 06:18 PM

All my doc wants to do it prescribe me strong opioids and check my prostate.

**lovbyts** · 05-08-2014, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by Shol'va

All my doc wants to do it prescribe me strong opioids and check my prostate.

And I bet you arent complaining either....

**Times Roman** · 05-08-2014, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by Shol'va

All my doc wants to do it prescribe me strong opioids and check my prostate.

So where ya been Shovel? =)

**austinite** · 05-08-2014, 07:52 PM

Yeah... Shovel. Where ya been?

**David LoPan** · 05-08-2014, 08:32 PM

Does one every really trust someone they pay to put their finger up your ass "for a prostate check" or what every it is they do for 3 minutes back there.

**Honkey_Kong** · 05-08-2014, 09:34 PM

The days of blindly trusting your doctor are over. I can see in an emergency, you might have to trust the doctor's opinion, but in most situations, we can use the internet to confirm the opinions of the physician.

I see no reason why one person can't trust, but verify. You can look up just about anything now. Plus there are other doctors out there who can give you their opinions too. People should be more proactive in their own care.

**GirlyGymRat** · 05-08-2014, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by Honkey_Kong

The days of blindly trusting your doctor are over. I can see in an emergency, you might have to trust the doctor's opinion, but in most situations, we can use the internet to confirm the opinions of the physician.

I see no reason why one person can't trust, but verify. You can look up just about anything now. Plus there are other doctors out there who can give you their opinions too. People should be more proactive in their own care.

^^^ true. I was misdiagnosed by doctor bc He was no longer relevant in his field. In the twilight years and became complacent. When his nurse told me to go get a second opinion, I knew I needed to schedule immediately with another doctor.

**lovbyts** · 05-08-2014, 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

So where ya been Shovel? =)

Didn't you hear? at the doctors.

**Times Roman** · 05-09-2014, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

Didn't you hear? at the doctors.

with the three minute prostate exam? =)

**thisAngelBites** · 05-09-2014, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

lucky me, huh?

it must be my amazing personality that attracts these quacksters?

I have trouble finding good docs.

In general, I find the best I can do is finding someone who respects my intellect enough to do what I ask when I provide good reasons to do so. But even when I seek out top notch doctors, I find lots of pockets of info that are missing from their knowledge. I read medical news every day, and have read many hundreds of studies. I suppose lots of docs are too busy to follow that stuff (and indeed, research shows it takes from 10-20 years from the time sound research is done for information to filter down into the clinical setting).

I've noticed that some of the people who are considered world-class treat people in an extremely empirical way: take this, this is what I prescribe first, and nevermind that it will probably aggravate another problem that we know you have but it might not, and if it does, we'll give you this other thing that I always give when that happens, which I hope will counteract that, otherwise I will give you the next thing I prescribe, which may cause problems in another way that will require another drug, but let's not worry about that until it happens, because we can switch drugs altogether, and that may or may not work.

And sometimes this is necessary in medicine, but when I consider things for myself I think it all through, and weigh things ahead of time and try to identify all the options before I plan what I will do. Even the best docs I have seen seem to be working from a somewhat crude algorithm instead of thinking of me as a whole package, with all my traits. Sometimes I think it's down to the time pressures in the field, and sometimes I think it's down to physicians being trained to think they must have instantaneous answers when sometimes thoughtfulness and time to really think would help.

I'd love to have a doctor I could just blindly trust, but in my heart, I suspect no such person exists.

**mmuscle** · 05-25-2014, 03:46 PM

The last three doctors I had criticized me for my life style, I listened said alot of ok, yup, sure....I wasn't about to start a debate with them, moved on to my.forth doctor hopefully he will be less judgemental and take my bodybuilding for what it is and not preach to me about my life.

**Times Roman** · 05-25-2014, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by mmuscle

The last three doctors I had criticized me for my life style, I listened said alot of ok, yup, sure....I wasn't about to start a debate with them, moved on to my.forth doctor hopefully he will be less judgemental and take my bodybuilding for what it is and not preach to me about my life.

join the club. a few years ago, I went in for a physical. Great shape, low bf%, maybe around 230lbs. all doc could do was to look at the BMI chart. All he could say is I need to drop down to 190 lbs....

...that is more weight than my entire body fat content.

SO HE WANTED ME TO LOSE LBM?????

**mmuscle** · 05-25-2014, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

join the club. a few years ago, I went in for a physical. Great shape, low bf%, maybe around 230lbs. all doc could do was to look at the BMI chart. All he could say is I need to drop down to 190 lbs....

...that is more weight than my entire body fat content.

SO HE WANTED ME TO LOSE LBM?????

Wow lmao your Dr should know that BMI chart is for body types that no one fits....even regular ppl don't fit the BMI Chart. I have 3 more doctors lined up incase the 4th one is a fail. I don't want to hear " you are lifting too much you should just do cardio" ....

**DrewZ** · 05-25-2014, 04:43 PM

^ lol.

What kills me the doctors that do this all the while being overweight alcoholics themselves.

Excuse me but who has the unhealthy lifestyle?

*baffled*

**mmuscle** · 05-25-2014, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by DrewZ

^ lol.

What kills me the doctors that do this all the while being overweight alcoholics themselves.

Excuse me but who has the unhealthy lifestyle?

*baffled*

Hahaha actually ur right I didn't even think about that....all 3 were overweight...lol

**lovbyts** · 05-25-2014, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by DrewZ

^ lol.

What kills me the doctors that do this all the while being overweight alcoholics themselves.

Excuse me but who has the unhealthy lifestyle?

*baffled*

I have to say at least my main doctor is not like that. He is in decent shape and even goes running during his lunch most every day. I would never trust a doctor who was fat and out of shape.