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    So after reading some clearly 'tin-foil hat' wearing posts on my local news fbook regarding the flu shot; who plans on getting one? or who isnt? and why?

    some of the posts i was reading were regarding: It has mercury and thats a poison, no im not getting it; it has aluminum and it cant be removed from the body so im not getting it; i get sick when i get the shot so it doesnt work; its a poison to control the public, educate yourself and dont get it... i could go on and on with some of the ridiculous posts and it went from 'funny how dumb people are' to 'wow im gettin upset on how clueless people are and the crap they spew from their mouths that people actually believe'

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    I never get it..... And I never get the flu either. I was forced to get it one year due to my job and guess what? Caught the flu.....

    I know it doesn't cover every strain of flu virus but Its an odd coincidence.

    The following years I had my doctor write a note saying I had an egg allergy and therefore couldn't get my flu shot. It was an easy way to bypass the hospital regulations of requiring one to work in them.
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    I've had the flu a couple times. I would never bother with the flu-shot, however.
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    I work in a hospital so I have to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoggage_54
    I work in a hospital so I have to.
    Wrong.....

    You can ask ur doc to write a note saying you are allergic to it.

    You can also claim it's against your religion.

    I know it sounds dumb..... But the hospital technically can't force you. It's against your civil rights and has been fought and won by the ACLU.

    If you cruelly wanted to fight it..... You wouldn't have to be vaccinated. They'd probably make you wear a mask all day long tho lol
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    Taken from here: http://vactruth.com/2013/02/01/8-damn-good-reasons/



    8 Damn Good Reasons Not to Get the Flu Shot
    Jeffry John AufderheideFebruary 1 2013

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    Every year the mainstream media war drum beats for you to get vaccinated against the flu. They rarely discuss anything but the benefits of the vaccine.

    Why?

    Maybe it is because many people are already skeptical about the flu vaccine.

    I'm going to be very up front with you here. You rarely hear about the adverse reactions or about the toxic chemicals being injected into you. My goal is to get you to investigate vaccines more closely. Here are eight reasons to question the flu shot.

    Let's begin...

    REASON #1: NEUROTOXIC INGREDIENTS
    A common urban myth is that the mercury has been taken out of vaccines. This is not true.

    Several of the flu vaccines contain a neurotoxic ingredient called thimerosal (mercury). Each one of the flu vaccines listed below contains 25 micrograms of mercury. [1] The vaccines are:

    Afluria CSL (Limited for Merck)
    FluLaval (GlaxoSmithKline)
    Fluvirin (Novartis)
    Fluzone (Sanofi Pasteur)
    Keep in mind you are being told conflicting stories.

    After parents and scientists discovered that mercury was present in the vaccines, they had concerns about the substance causing neurological problems in children.

    Organizations such as the American Academy of Pediatrics and the Centers for Disease Control have told you mercury in the vaccines isn't bad for us, but as a precaution, it will be taken out of the vaccines.

    Now the same organizations are telling parents if mercury isn't kept it in the vaccines, millions will suffer. Why? Removing the mercury from vaccines would cause a major disruption in the manufacturing and supply of vaccines.[2]

    Much of the evidence on the toxicity of thimerosal was swept under the rug at a secret meeting held by the Centers for Disease Control in Simpsonwood, Georgia. I'd like to invite you to read a few quotes from the meeting. I think you will see why the Centers for Disease Control wants to keep the lid on thimerosal.

    Here are three important quotes from the Simpsonwood Document:

    "...the number of dose related relationships [between mercury and autism] are linear and statistically significant. You can play with this all you want. They are linear. They are statistically significant." - Dr. William Weil, American Academy of Pediatrics. Simpsonwood, GA, June 7, 2000

    "Forgive this personal comment, but I got called out at eight o'clock for an emergency call and my daughter-in-law delivered a son by c-section. Our first male in the line of the next generation and I do not want that grandson to get a Thimerosal containing vaccine until we know better what is going on. It will probably take a long time. In the meantime, and I know there are probably implications for this internationally, but in the meanwhile I think I want that grandson to only be given Thimerosal-free vaccines." - Dr. Robert Johnson, Immunologist, University of Colorado, Simpsonwood, GA, June 7, 2000

    "But there is now the point at which the research results have to be handled, and even if this committee decides that there is no association and that information gets out, the work has been done and through the freedom of information that will be taken by others and will be used in other ways beyond the control of this group. And I am very concerned about that as I suspect that it is already too late to do anything regardless of any professional body and what they say...My mandate as I sit here in this group is to make sure at the end of the day that 100,000,000 are immunized with DTP, Hepatitis B and if possible Hib, this year, next year and for many years to come, and that will have to be with thimerosal containing vaccines unless a miracle occurs and an alternative is found quickly and is tried and found to be safe." - Dr. John Clements, World Health Organization, Simpsonwood, GA, June 7, 2000 [3]

    We at VacTruth encourage you to investigate what is being injected into your child.





    REASON #2: 4250% INCREASE IN FETAL DEATHS REPORTED
    Speaking of mercury being unsafe -- if you're pregnant, beware of doctors using aggressive fear tactics pushing you to get vaccinated. Here's why...

    On September 27, 2012, the Human and Environmental Toxicology Journal (HET) published a study by Dr. Gary Goldman reporting a 4,250 percent increase in the number of miscarriages and stillbirths reported to VAERS in the 2009/2010 flu season. [4]

    That year the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) had recommended the double-dosing pregnant mothers with two flu shots spiked with mercury.

    In his abstract, Goldman said:

    "The aim of this study was to compare the number of inactivated-influenza vaccine-related spontaneous abortion and stillbirth (SB) reports in the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) database during three consecutive flu seasons beginning 2008/2009 and assess the relative fetal death reports associated with the two-vaccine 2009/2010 season." [4]

    How can injecting these filthy vaccines into pregnant mothers be remotely safe?



    REASON #3: VACCINE-INDUCED NARCOLEPSY
    Do you recall the vaccine-frenzied media telling us to get our flu shots during the H1N1 pandemic? What they didn't tell you are the possible long-term side effects of those vaccines that are now being revealed.

    Recent news about the flu vaccine suspects one of the experimental vaccines causing narcolepsy in about 800 European children. [5]

    Specifically, two studies in Finland directly point the finger at the vaccine. [6, 7]

    The conclusion of one study states:

    "We observed a 17-fold increase in the annual incidence of narcolepsy in 2010 as compared to previous years in children aged under 17 years of age. A common feature in the history of our 54 newly diagnosed childhood narcoleptic patients was that 50 children had received an adjuvanted pandemic influenza vaccine (Pandemrix) within 8 months before the onset of symptoms. In most cases, the development of symptoms was fast. We consider it likely that Pandemrix vaccination contributed to the increased incidence of narcolepsy in Finland..." [7]

    The children's misfortune is they now have to deal with an illness that all but destroys their once normal life. Do you think the pharmaceutical companies will take any responsibility?



    REASON #4: "THEY ARE PROTECTED" ... FROM YOU!
    I'm not sure about other countries, but in the United States, if your child is harmed by a vaccine, there is little action you can take legally.

    The 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act was passed was to protect pharmaceutical companies from anyone claiming a vaccine injured their child. Under this law, no parent can sue a vaccine manufacturer. [8]

    If you decide to vaccinate your children, you do so at your own risk. No vaccine manufacturer is liable for your child's vaccine-related injury or death from a recommended vaccine, regardless if the FDA or CDC helped get an untested flu vaccine approved.



    REASON #5: IF YOU GET VACCINATED, YOU SHED THE VIRUS
    If getting injected with neurotoxins or suffering from narcolepsy isn't enough, expect to shed the flu virus and likely infect others if you decide to get the nasal spray vaccine.

    Information from the Centers for Disease Control website indicates "that both children and adults vaccinated with live-attenuated influenza vaccine (LAIV) can shed vaccine viruses after vaccination, although in lower amounts than occur typically with shedding of wild-type influenza viruses." [9]

    In one study of children in a daycare setting, 80% of vaccine recipients shed one or more virus strains for an average of 7.5 days. [9]



    REASON #6: IF YOU GET THE FLU VACCINE, EXPECT TO GET THE FLU
    This might be a shock to you - if you investigate the vaccine carefully enough, you'll discover that getting vaccinated can actually predispose you to getting the flu!

    One particular study surprised researchers when they discovered "a significant positive association between the seasonal influenza vaccine and lab confirmed H1N1 was observed." [10]

    As anecdotal evidence, you may or may not have seen what happened to television host Piers Morgan. If you didn't, here is the condensed version.

    Piers Morgan went on the Dr. Oz television show to get injected with the toxic flu vaccine in front of a live audience. Days later he came down with the flu. [11]

    Did the flu vaccine cause him to get the flu? You can decide for yourself on this one.



    REASON #7: EVERY YEAR THE EXPERTS GUESS
    Do you know how the flu strain is picked to put into the vaccine every year? The "experts" guess.

    Every year, the influenza viruses in the seasonal flu vaccine are selected through calculations about what flu viruses are most likely to cause illness in the coming season. The FDA, acting in concert with the CDC, decides what vaccine strains for influenza vaccines to be sold in the U.S. [12]

    What happens if the virus mutates or the "experts" guess incorrectly? Please see Reason #1...



    REASON #8: THE CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL'S RECIPE FOR GENERATING FEAR
    Many people believe the Centers for Disease Control is beyond using propaganda ploys. You might get a different impression from the information I'm about to share with you. It may seem as if the CDC fears you into getting vaccinated, much like doctors do.

    What do I mean and where is this recipe?

    Some years ago, the associate director for communications for the national immunization program, Glen Nowak, made a presentation entitled Planning for the 2004-05 Influenza Vaccination Season: A Communication Situation Analysis.

    I am going to include the entire "recipe" so you can see the complexity of the propaganda being regularly used on you to get vaccinated.

    The slide on page 27 of the presentation reads:

    "Recipe" that Fosters Higher Interest and Demand for Influenza Vaccine

    1. Influenza's arrival coincides with immunization "season" (i.e., when people can take action)

    2. Dominant strain and/or initial cases of disease are:

    -Associated with severe illness and/or outcomes

    -Occur among people for whom influenza is not generally perceived to cause serious complications (e.g., children, healthy adults, healthy seniors)

    -In cities and communities with significant media outlets (e.g., daily newspapers, major TV stations)

    3. Medical experts and public health authorities publicly (e.g., via media) state concern and alarm (and predict dire outcomes)-and urge influenza vaccination.

    4. The combination of '2' and '3' result in:

    A. Significant media interest and attention

    B. Framing of the flu season in terms that motivate behavior (e.g., as "very severe," "more severe than last or past years," "deadly")

    C. Continued reports (e.g., from health officials and media) that influenza is causing severe illness and/or affecting lots of people-helping foster the perception that many people are susceptible to a bad case of influenza.

    6. Visible/tangible examples of the seriousness of the illness (e.g., pictures of children, families of those affected coming forward) and people getting vaccinated (the first to motivate, the latter to reinforce)

    7. References to, and discussions, of pandemic influenza- along with continued reference to the importance of vaccination." [13]

    The message is extremely familiar. You see it played out every year on the news channels. To be clear, what you just read is a recipe to sell more of Big Pharma's toxic vaccines.



    References
    1. http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm

    2. http://vactruth.com/2012/12/23/mercury-in-vaccines/

    3. http://www.putchildrenfirst.org/chapter2.html

    4. http://het.sagepub.com/content/early...abstract?rss=1

    5. http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/22/us-narcolepsy...

    6. http://www.plosone.org/article/info:....0033536#close

    7. http://www.plosone.org/article/info%...l.pone.0033723

    8. http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/index.html

    9. http://www.cdc.gov/flu/professionals/acip/laiv-shed.htm

    10. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22001885

    11. http://www.infowars.com/piers-morgan...g-flu-vaccine/

    12. http://www.cdc.gov/flu/professionals...on/virusqa.htm

    13. http://www.scribd.com/doc/19212191/2004flunowak
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazard View Post
    Wrong.....

    You can ask ur doc to write a note saying you are allergic to it.

    You can also claim it's against your religion.

    I know it sounds dumb..... But the hospital technically can't force you. It's against your civil rights and has been fought and won by the ACLU.

    If you cruelly wanted to fight it..... You wouldn't have to be vaccinated. They'd probably make you wear a mask all day long tho lol

    You're right I'm not being forced to but I would have to wear a mask lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoggage_54

    You're right I'm not being forced to but I would have to wear a mask lol
    If I was working in 1 hospital all day long - if just get the damn shot.

    I was a medical device sales rep so I came in for surgeries..... I had to wear a mask anyways. The nursing director of the OR hated me..... I refused to get a shot and gave her the note.
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    I'd also have to wear a mask. **** that.
    Got it last year and I was fine.

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    If u don't get a flu shot all u do is put yourself your family your kids and other at risk of getting the flu people forget u can die from the flu Especially young kids that's why we have all these old Diseases coming back bc people don't get Vaccinated people are really dumb it's a shame
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    the flu shot is good science; it gives your immune system some kick in the most dangerous strain, not all types of influenza, and yes you may get sick after but not as bad; and yes some people never get the flu; some people dont come in close contact with other people all the time; but think about most nurses, teachers, child care workers, doctors have the best immune systems because of exposure, not isolation; and there are those genetic freaks who just have great systems
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    if my company offered it for free, yes I would get it, but not paying for it, no

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    I'm like some of the others, I got it once and got sick. I like to let my own immune system build antibodies instead of having other antibodies injected into me that are not necessary.

    You realize that all those tinfoil hat wearing nut jobs who are coming up with all the wild conspiracy stuff about the flu shots are the same crazy people who said the government was monitoring all of our internet activity and cell phone calls? How did that one turn out?

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    Our company has offered it for free for twenty years, I have gotten one every year with no problems and have only had the flu once.
    The only side effects I have noticed is my muscle mass has gotten bigger Oh wait that's the other shots causing that.

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    Never had a flu shot and never had the flu since being out of school. And that was 35 years ago.

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    I get one every year. I HATE being sick and I tend to be around sick people and dont want to bring any sickness home that I could spread to my kids. Having sick kids is NO fun either.

    So if I can minimize the chances of me getting the flu, if only by a few strains, I'm all for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trevtrev View Post
    I get one every year. I HATE being sick and I tend to be around sick people and dont want to bring any sickness home that I could spread to my kids. Having sick kids is NO fun either.

    So if I can minimize the chances of me getting the flu, if only by a few strains, I'm all for it.
    I'm with you on that! My wife works in a clinic so she exposed to everything that walks in the door.

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    I got the flu 6 times through the Fall 2012- Winter 2013 and I never get sick. I got the flu shot last year and was fine. I bet there is more harmful chemicals in the food we eat then the flu shoot.

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    I get mine every year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonada8 View Post
    So after reading some clearly 'tin-foil hat' wearing posts on my local news fbook regarding the flu shot; who plans on getting one? or who isnt? and why?

    some of the posts i was reading were regarding: It has mercury and thats a poison, no im not getting it; it has aluminum and it cant be removed from the body so im not getting it; i get sick when i get the shot so it doesnt work; its a poison to control the public, educate yourself and dont get it... i could go on and on with some of the ridiculous posts and it went from 'funny how dumb people are' to 'wow im gettin upset on how clueless people are and the crap they spew from their mouths that people actually believe'
    Every single one of these reasons to not get the flu shot are ridiculous, exaggerated, falsified, biased, and just plain ridiculous. I can understand why the general public would buy into them though, they seem plausible at first glance. These anti-vaxxers need to be selected out already.

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    Unless the jab I'm getting is for hepatitis or something serious, I don't bother with these jabs. I've got my doc to write me allergy notes since I was 16 and whenever I get the flu I let my body naturally deal with it. Rarely get it, hell I think I'm suffering from it right now and the last time I had the flu was 8 years ago.

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    It's funny cuz talking about not liking vaccines gets people talking.

    Above everything..... It's a personal choice. Maybe I'm jut blessed with a kick ass immune system..... Maybe I've just lucked out every year..... But so far I've really not gotten sick so all these years I would have been pumping my immune system up for something I never would have caught.

    Flu shots are great for kids and old people IMO.
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