No more aspirating???

[NACH3]

that's great for you. That's means you haven't injected close to a vein or blood vessel. You are one of the few lucky ones

I never had an issue till last wk and it was just test/NPP so it's defo not just Tren ...

But if you've never been in one or injected In A vessel/vein that's great! But you'll know as soon as you do!!

[MR10X]

that's great for you. That's means you haven't injected close to a vein or blood vessel. You are one of the few lucky ones

I would say more good than lucky....I only do glute injections which might also have something to do with it, and inject slowly......

[lovbyts]

I would say more good than lucky....I only do glute injections which might also have something to do with it, and inject slowly......

I'm going with lucky also because I have been doing TRT for 6+ years and was doing glute shot when I had my cough both times and it was only about 1yr ago.

It will happen, it's just a matter of time. Probably tonight.

[almostgone]

Refer to page 5 safe IM injections:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...qhM5ml_J11XdQg

It is a PDF for download but it plainly states aspiration is integral to IM injections.

[NACH3]

I'm going with lucky also because I have been doing TRT for 6+ years and was doing glute shot when I had my cough both times and it was only about 1yr ago.

It will happen, it's just a matter of time. Probably tonight.

You know what's funny... That one member who said he's never hit a nerve or anything in his delts... I also didn't have any probs, but the very next time I shot in my delt I fvkin actually hit one(dude jinxed my ass) LOL I couldn't even believe it.... Haha

[lovbyts]

You know what's funny... That one member who said he's never hit a nerve or anything in his delts... I also didn't have any probs, but the very next time I shot in my delt I fvkin actually hit one(dude jinxed my ass) LOL I couldn't even believe it.... Haha

yup, I have for sure learned to never say never. Every time I do just that happens... You have to believe there is someone up there who has a twisted sense of humor.

[almostgone]

The Pharmaceutics and Compounding Laboratory

The point of injection should be as far as possible from major nerves and blood vessels to avoid neural damage and accidental intravenous administration. To insure that a blood vessel has not been entered, the syringe should be slightly aspirated after insertion and before injection to see if blood enters the syringe. Other injuries that can occur following intramuscular injection are abscesses, cysts, embolism, hematoma, skin sloughing, and scar formation.

[almostgone]

That's all I'm going to post although there are plenty of supporting references for aspiration during IM injection, particularly with oil based meds.
I hope this will help anyone that cares to read the links. I've put enough time into this guys, I have an assload of yard work to do and am running behind as usual.

[MR10X]

Since not aspirating has worked for me for 35+ years i'm going to stick with it,why change something when it works for you..........

[almostgone]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...ovPa4qfqqIyNDA

When administering an IM injection, the nurse should know and use anatomical guidelines to locate the proper site:

• Don gloves;

• Cleanse the chosen site with alcohol;

• Spread the skin and subcutaneous tissue;

• Insert proper gauge and length needle quickly at a 90-degree angle;

• Aspirate ;

• Slowly inject medication if aspiration results in no appearance of blood; and

• Withdraw needle, discarding used needle in a sharps container.

There can be variations with needle size and spreading of tissue because of the age and/or size of the patient. But we also may ask, can there be variations with aspiration?

Aspiration Recommended

The recommended technique by most nursing authorities and literature includes aspiration before injection of the medication.1 Since muscle tissue is very vascular, aspiration before injection of medication will verify the needle tip is in the muscle and not a vein or artery. This will prevent inadvertently injecting the medication directly into the bloodstream.

[almostgone]

Since not aspirating has worked for me for 35+ years i'm going to stick with it,why change something when it works for you..........

Like I said, rock on with it. I'm over 50 and sometimes am reluctant to change things up. I'm posting this info in the hopes it may save someone some discomfort when injecting oil based/depot meds.
Aspiration may not be foolproof, but it certainly decreases the risk of POME. About the only way POME will occur is if the oil hits the bloodstream. Since oil isn't going to immediately migrate through venous walls, it would have to be introduced into the bloodstream via injection.

[Low Testosterone]

For whatever it's worth, if you go to any doctors office or clinic and get a shot of testosterone , the odds of the nurse aspirating is pretty slim.

This is also important to keep in mind - you can find a spot to put the needle, aspirate and find no blood fills the syringe and still get the cough as you guys described above. Why? Because when you injected the needle went through a vessel, it's not lodged in one so when you aspirate no blood fills the syringe but after you inject, the oil that's now inside you fills into that pierced vessel. Will it kill you? No, but it may be uncomfortable for a few min.

[almostgone]

I stand corrected then. I know LowT is definitely up to date and current. I appreciate you posting up.

[clarky.]

For whatever it's worth, if you go to any doctors office or clinic and get a shot of testosterone , the odds of the nurse aspirating is pretty slim.

This is also important to keep in mind - you can find a spot to put the needle, aspirate and find no blood fills the syringe and still get the cough as you guys described above. Why? Because when you injected the needle went through a vessel, it's not lodged in one so when you aspirate no blood fills the syringe but after you inject, the oil that's now inside you fills into that pierced vessel. Will it kill you? No, but it may be uncomfortable for a few min.

This happened to me twice i went through the vain just like you said low t. I always aspirate always no blood but a few sec after the injection cough and anybody this has happened to will know how horrendous it is.

Side note i spoke to my brother yesterday about this who is a nurse he said the older nurses always aspirate and told him to do so when he was learning so he does as this is what he was taught to do.
He said new nurses don't do this as it is what they are taught and another thing pins should always be changed from drawing to pinning but again new nurses dont. I ask why he said money that is what this is all about get you in and out as quick as pos so no aspirating and change pins.

It's all about money and time fvcking joke

[Honkey_Kong]

This happened to me twice i went through the vain just like you said low t. I always aspirate always no blood but a few sec after the injection cough and anybody this has happened to will know how horrendous it is.

Side note i spoke to my brother yesterday about this who is a nurse he said the older nurses always aspirate and told him to do so when he was learning so he does as this is what he was taught to do.
He said new nurses don't do this as it is what they are taught and another thing pins should always be changed from drawing to pinning but again new nurses dont. I ask why he said money that is what this is all about get you in and out as quick as pos so no aspirating and change pins.

It's all about money and time fvcking joke

Yeah, but a fresh needle after drawing costs next to nothing. They piss more money away on the new iPads that they now use to record your vitals.

[clarky.]

Yeah, but a fresh needle after drawing costs next to nothing. They piss more money away on the new iPads that they now use to record your vitals.

Very true

[Metalject]

I've aspirated plenty of times and still had the cough, with tren with test or whatever else. And I've not aspirated plenty of times and not coughed. I don't think it's as cut and dry as people tend to make it out.

One thing I've noticed, if an area of the body is injected frequently, I'm saying very often, after a time aspirating or not I will get the cough every single time I inject in that area until its had time to heal a little bit. I don't know why that is. I do find the cough a little funny though - everyone's so afraid of it but it's not that bad. I mean it sucks raw donkey ass for 3-5min but then it's over.

[fightnews]

If you hit a vein shouldn't you just go right through it anyway. Aren't veins all close to the skin? If you are going an inch past the skin or more how can you be in a vein? Anyway I don't do it but ive never done tren i know someone who got the cough though

[fightnews]

Yeah, but a fresh needle after drawing costs next to nothing. They piss more money away on the new iPads that they now use to record your vitals.

Ya but its not necessary as long as the top is sterile its just a waste of a needle

[fightnews]

Refer to page 5 safe IM injections:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...qhM5ml_J11XdQg

It is a PDF for download but it plainly states aspiration is integral to IM injections.

Articles 15 years old thats prob why

[NACH3]

If you hit a vein shouldn't you just go right through it anyway. Aren't veins all close to the skin? If you are going an inch past the skin or more how can you be in a vein? Anyway I don't do it but ive never done tren i know someone who got the cough though

This is funny... And shows your ignorance! If you go through a vein it's still open in which you will get oil in your blood stream... And the cough IS NOT limited to tren lol... It's all oil based roids! I knicked one a couple wks ago w/test and NPP still get the cough!!!!!!!!!

[NACH3]

And why do you come on here to argue w/everyone! And show some respect to our Senior VETS/MODS/etc(they're in that position b/c they DO KNOW MORE THAN YOU AND I COMBINED!!!!

[Oki-Des]

To me it is obviously a numbers game. I too have injected myself several hundred times over the past 25 years. But, out of all of those times I probably forgot to aspirate less than 20 times. When I did aspirate I only drew blood once; and only had the horrible cough's twice. With minimal numbers such as these, someone could obviously go their whole life and never have a problem. But, like Lovebyts stated, if you get the cough you will probably start aspirating more frequently.

[Hazard]

Ya but its not necessary as long as the top is sterile its just a waste of a needle

[NACH3]

Ya but its not necessary as long as the top is sterile its just a waste of a needle

Well that picture takes care of the post above... lmao!!!

Nice Haz!!!!

[fightnews]

Well if its so important then why dont the hospitals feel the need to do it? who cares if the needle is slightly bent under 100x magnification anyway, grow some beans

[Hazard]

Well if its so important then why dont the hospitals feel the need to do it? who cares if the needle is slightly bent under 100x magnification anyway, grow some beans

Needles don't bother me a bit..... Incase u havnt noticed.

What I don't get is why u care so much? I don't give a fvck if you aspirate or not. I don't care if an air bubble goes straight to ur heart..... Idc if you ever do another injection. I aspirate because I'm old school I guess..... Doesn't hurt me at all to doit.

This thread is getting old

[fightnews]

Needles don't bother me a bit..... Incase u havnt noticed.

What I don't get is why u care so much? I don't give a fvck if you aspirate or not. I don't care if an air bubble goes straight to ur heart..... Idc if you ever do another injection. I aspirate because I'm old school I guess..... Doesn't hurt me at all to doit.

This thread is getting old

stop clicking on it then, what kind of a person doesnt care if some gets an air bubble in their heart? You must be a real peach, karma brother. Anyway you have to inject into a vein to worry about air bubbles that doesnt happen with intra muscular.

[Hazard]

stop clicking on it then, what kind of a person doesnt care if some gets an air bubble in their heart? You must be a real peach, karma brother. Anyway you have to inject into a vein to worry about air bubbles that doesnt happen with intra muscular.

This thread is a month old..... Go play in traffic.

My point to you was simple..... I don't give a single fvck if you don't aspirate . If anything happens..... It's your own fault. The 2 seconds it takes doesnt kill anyone.

[NACH3]

stop clicking on it then, what kind of a person doesnt care if some gets an air bubble in their heart? You must be a real peach, karma brother. Anyway you have to inject into a vein to worry about air bubbles that doesnt happen with intra muscular.

That's the whole idea of aspirating! Why do you come on here and start sh!t w/everyone?! It's clear you know all you have to!

When nicking a vein where the hell do you think it's going???? In your bloodstream wizard(lungs, respiratory infection - the cough)!

And I just read a Vets answer on this air bubble situation(it takes more than 30ml of air to do anything - maybe) but I know you'll argue this too!

The End!

[Armykid93]

That's the whole idea of aspirating! Why do you come on here and start sh!t w/everyone?! It's clear you know all you have to! When nicking a vein where the hell do you think it's going???? In your bloodstream wizard(lungs, respiratory infection - the cough)! And I just read a Vets answer on this air bubble situation(it takes more than 30ml of air to do anything - maybe) but I know you'll argue this too! The End!

My buddies a medic and he confirmed that for me. It takes a whole "line" of air to cause worry. I asked what a line is and he said, "if someone puts an entire line of air into you, they wanted to kill you" lol

[Armykid93]

If you hit a vein shouldn't you just go right through it anyway. Aren't veins all close to the skin? If you are going an inch past the skin or more how can you be in a vein? Anyway I don't do it but ive never done tren i know someone who got the cough though

You need to never give anyone advice here, ever.

[Armykid93]

Well if its so important then why dont the hospitals feel the need to do it? who cares if the needle is slightly bent under 100x magnification anyway, grow some beans

My previous comment benefits from this post by you as well lol

If hospitals had our best interest in mind ER visits wouldn't cost 10k.

[NACH3]

My buddies a medic and he confirmed that for me. It takes a whole "line" of air to cause worry. I asked what a line is and he said, "if someone puts an entire line of air into you, they wanted to kill you" lol

Kid needs to listen and NOT give advice lol - I totally agree

[Honkey_Kong]

Kid needs to listen and NOT give advice lol - I totally agree

He's probably been training for all of 3 months and knows everything now.

[NACH3]

He's probably been training for all of 3 months and knows everything now.

Yep... Usually how it works over the internet too lmao HK!

[Juced_porkchop]

The day you get some oil in your lungs, you're going to take back everything you posted on here.

iv had it happen couple times.... DID NOT like it....