Test in animals

**mrdude** · 09-24-2015, 07:02 AM

Do you know or how much test do you think animals like tigers, lions, crocodiles, gorillas, bears and wolves have and produce compared to us humans?

**bsh** · 09-24-2015, 07:14 AM

I heard bull shark has the highest

**Hazard** · 09-24-2015, 07:45 AM

https://www.quora.com/How-much-serum...tion-to-humans

**Bonaparte** · 09-24-2015, 08:00 AM

m what I've dug up, they all have roughly the same test concentrations that we do.

Here's a study showing Arabian stallions with numbers in the 600-1100 range (depending on the season).
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...HNnfPtE7TYj7Mw

I also just came across a rodent study where rats and mice were in the 400 or 500s

**bartman314** · 09-24-2015, 03:45 PM

interesting that we're all in the same range. i wonder about those muscle cows though... if any species is significantly above, it must be them!

Super-buff cattle may hold key to treating muscular diseases - The Boston Globe

**Bonaparte** · 09-24-2015, 06:37 PM

Testosterone is hardly the key to unlimited muscle growth. There are plenty of 250 lb guys woth lowish T and scrawny 130 lb guys with high T. When you're in the same physiological ranges, it doesn't make much difference. Just look at AAS users and see how it takes a 5x increase in circulating androgens just to increase LBM by like 20%. DNA is far more important than sex hormones.

PS: those cows just have a myostatin deficiency.

**Buster Brown** · 09-24-2015, 11:47 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

Testosterone is hardly the key to unlimited muscle growth. There are plenty of 250 lb guys woth lowish T and scrawny 130 lb guys with high T. When you're in the same physiological ranges, it doesn't make much difference. Just look at AAS users and see how it takes a 5x increase in circulating androgens just to increase LBM by like 20%. DNA is far more important than sex hormones. PS: those cows just have a myostatin deficiency.

This is what a lot of people don't get.....they cycle with absurd dosages hoping to compensate for the genetics that they will never have. Acceptance....... Such a hard lesson!

**davidtheman100** · 09-25-2015, 03:10 AM

It's much different. With prolonged use of circulating androgens by 5x you will have a much more muscular human being and it will look like a world of difference between them and someone else who is 1/5. Doesn't
Matter genetically either because no matter who you are it will still grow you far out of the natural range. So I'd say hormones are pretty much everything But you can ESPECIALLY see the benefits of these hormones when you have a guy with below average DNA become a professional bodybuilder. Those people will give the hormones all the credit as well

**Bonaparte** · 09-25-2015, 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by davidtheman100

It's much different. With prolonged use of circulating androgens by 5x you will have a much more muscular human being and it will look like a world of difference between them and someone else who is 1/5. Doesn't
Matter genetically either because no matter who you are it will still grow you far out of the natural range. So I'd say hormones are pretty much everything But you can ESPECIALLY see the benefits of these hormones when you have a guy with below average DNA become a professional bodybuilder. Those people will give the hormones all the credit as well

I'm talking about the differences in DNA between species (say, man vs gorilla), not the relatively minor differences within the same species. A gorilla with low test is still going to be a shitload bigger and stronger than a guy using any dose of test. And the gorilla doesn't even lift and just eats bananas and shit. lol

And no, put a random dude on 500mg of test indefinitely and he'll gain like 10 lbs of muscle, then plateau. This is with a normal diet and normal physical activity (letting the hormone do the work, as animals do). We see it every day here with people who don't know what they're doing.