I Heard You Paint Houses

[Proximal]

3/4 of the way done with this book. Incredible. JFK’s death, clear as day. F’n idiot.

[Obs]

3/4 of the way done with this book. Incredible. JFK’s death, clear as day. F’n idiot.

Give us a rundown so we dont have to read it

[Proximal]

It’s the movie the Irishman was based upon.

[DADDYDBOL]

Really good book

[Proximal]

JFK’ s dad made his $ selling whiskey during prohibition & knows people.

Robert Kennedy is breathing down the mob’s necks and Hoffa’s as well. The Teamsters bring in tens of millions which is then loaned to the mob (like to build Vegas casinos). The mob & the teamsters don’t like Robert Kennedy and does not want him to become attorney general.

The mob lost tens of millions after Castro takes Cuba, the mob wants Cuba back.

JFK wants Castro gone as well.

Kennedy’s father tells the mob, get JFK elected & I’ll handle Robert.

The mob helps throw the election, gets JFK elected.

Robert still becomes attorney general & keeps going after the mob & the teamsters.

JFK fucks up a mob/CIA organized attack on Cuba, Castro stays in business.

Lyndon Johnson does not like Robert Kennedy.

JFK dies.

The mob eliminates Oswald (Not the only shooter and could possibly talk).

Makes perfect sense to me.

[DADDYDBOL]

Frank wouldn't let his story be published until his death because of his respect for the Mafia and all they did for him

[Proximal]

Frank wouldn't let his story be published until his death because of his respect for the Mafia and all they did for him

And he wanted a shot to be square with God. So he confessed to a Priest.

His WWII stories were amazing. The guy came back a-cold blooded killer. No prisoners? Execute them all, ordered from above. The only good German is a dead German, including woman & children. He learned how to follow orders or be executed himself.

[Beetlegeuse]

Joe Kennedy Sr. was relieved from his post as US Ambassador to Great Britain because he was a Nazi sympathizer.



MacArthur wanted JFK court-martialed for the incident that made him a war hero, his PT boat being run over and sunk by a Japanese destroyer. It was the only occurrence in the entire war of a PT boat being rammed and sunk by an enemy vessel and the PT boat didn't get off even a single shot in its own defense. Which points to the possibility that whoever was at the helm was asleep. Chester Nimitz refused to court-martial Kennedy because he thought MacArthur was just being vindictive because he had a hard-on for the navy. None of which changes the fact that whoever was in command of PT 109 probably was derelict.

Kennedy suffered a lifetime of debilitating pain because of the injury to his back received in the collision. Yet we are expected to believe that in the immediate aftermath of the injury he was physically able to swim four hours to safety while pulling a badly injured crewmember. There is a longstanding rumor that the story was completely made up to confer hero status on JFK with the long-term objective of jump-starting his political career after the war, and all the other crewmembers were bought off (with Kennedy money) to support the mythological version of events.

The navy report exonerated Kennedy but it wouldn't have been the only time in the war that the US Navy "altered" the official facts to support its own image. Possibly the most notorious incident was the sinking of the USS Indianapolis, the ship that had delivered the Atom Bomb to Tinian Island for employment against Japan. The navy court-martialed the captain of the Indianapolis AFTER THE WAR HAD ENDED because they didn't want their victory celebration tarnished by fessing up, first for negligently sending the ship into known danger with bad intelligence and without adequate defenses, and then by not noticing that a 600-foot ship and her 1200 man crew had gone missing, resulting in only 316 of her crew being rescued (more details here).

After the incident, JFK's own older brother, Joe Jr, also a naval officer (later killed during a secret mission), wrote to him as follows:

“What I really want to know is where the hell were you when the destroyer hove into sight, and exactly what were your moves?”

Joe Sr had failed aspirations to be president and Joe Jr was his presumptive heir. On Joe Jr's death that role be default was passed to JFK.

One of the authors of the Kennedy exoneration was Navy JAG officer Byron “Whizzer” White. In 1962, President John Kennedy appointed Byron White to the Supreme Court of the United States. Quid. Pro. Quo.



In 1946 Joe Sr arranged for JFK to win his first political office, a seat in the US House of Representatives from Massachusetts. JFK had never lived in Massachusetts before and only moved there in time to make the residency requirement for the primary. First Joe selected a congressional district that was both highly demoncratic and mostly Irish Catholic neighborhoods around Boston. The sitting representative, James Curley, was under investigation for mail fraud and Joe Sr leveraged this vulnerability against him to convince Curley not to stand for re-election to Congress but instead to run for mayor of Boston. Then Joe Sr bankrolled his campaign for mayor (= bought the election).

JFK's opponent in the demoncrat primary was a career politician named Joe Russo. Joe Sr hired a janitor by name of Joseph Russo to also enter the race. Which left Joe Russo's supporters wondering whether to choose Joe or Joseph on the ballot.



And there's a longstanding rumor that JFK only won the 1960 POTUS election because of demoncrat voter fraud. Kennedy won the election by 84 electoral votes but he only carried Illinois' electoral votes by 4480 popular votes and Texas' by 25,000. 68 million votes cast but JFK only won by 29,000 popular votes. Those two states had 51 electoral votes between them which would have swung the election to Nixon.

Chicago's demoncrat Mayor Richard Daley was the master of getting out the dead vote. He raised election rigging to high art and any election he was associated with was automatically suspect. He could have hand-written the poll results for the mob-run district in west Chicago and it would have been validated.

Texas at the time had a Poll Tax, which was illegal but they were getting away with it all the same. And we know from poll tax records that there were counties in Texas where the vote count exceeded the number who had paid their poll tax. Which speaks to the possibility of rampant voter fraud.

The Republican powerbase claimed they could prove the fraud and were mounting a court challenge but the party's titular head, Richard Nixon, ordered them to stand down. He allegedly said he'd sooner lose the election than to see America torn apart by a court challenge that might overturn the election results (a principle today's demoncrat party fails to grasp the concept of).

And there can be little doubt that Joe Kennedy would have done anything within his power -- legal or otherwise -- to see one of his sons in the White House.

Long before there was a Klinton Crime Family there were the Kennedys of Hyannis Port.



JFK also laid the groundwork for the disaster that the War in Vietnam later became. The US had had military advisors and intel specialists on the ground in Indochina since the end of WWII. President Eisenhower knew that the coming turmoil there would be a tar baby that the US should not touch at any cost, and he briefed President-Elect Kennedy of as much.

Kennedy didn't listen.

JFK knew full well about CIA attempts to overthrow the Castro regime but once their efforts escalated to the level of a beachhead assault, Kennedy couldn't be convinced to provide the invasion force with US air cover and offshore naval fire. The CIA went ahead with plans despite JFK's recalcitrance in the belief that once the landing force got pinned down on the beach, Kennedy would relent and allow US support.

He didn't relent and the invasion failed miserably. Kennedy learned the CIA was hoping the spectre of failure there would goad him into changing his mind, which drove him to distrust the CIA -- and indeed the entire intelligence community -- for the rest of his short life.

So neither did he trust them about what was happening in Southeast Asia. After the Bay of Pigs he relied totally on his SecDef, Robert 'Strange' McNamara, to give him the straight skinny on what needed doing in Vietnam. He only saw the war through McNamara's eyes and McNamara was an absolute idiot.

This all is detailed in the book JFK and Vietnam, written by a former career military intelligence officer John Newman. I once attended a lecture given by Newman and in my humble but unerringly accurate opinion, this guy knows his shit. He spent nearly his entire career in the E-Ring of the Pentagon and the level of documentation he had on intelligence activities in that era was nothing short of extraordinary.

In the Ken Burns documentary mini-series, The Vietnam War, there are tape recordings of telephone conversations of both JFK and his successor, LBJ (in separate conversations), talking with other demoncrats in which they admit that they know the best option would be to withdraw from Vietnam but they couldn't afford to because of consequences at the ballot box.

Fuck the country, fuck the servicemen, and God Bless the demoncrat party.



All that said, I think Oswald did it and acted alone. Three men can keep a secret provided two of them are dead. The conspiracy would have involved too many moving parts and I can't believe that after so many years none of them would have broken their silence.

His killing never would have captured the popular imagination if the remaining Kennedys and the demoncrat party hadn't gone so overboard trying to rehabilitate his image -- the whole "Camelot" bullshit -- and lionize him in the process. And part of their mythology was that such a great man could never be brought down by a mere social misfit. There must have been a conspiracy that was every bit as great as he was.

EDIT:
And I don't believe Sheeran killed Italian POWs. I know atrocities were committed on both sides but on the US side it was rather infrequent. I think he made it up to pad his résumé for the benefit of the Mafia.

[BG]

That’s the longest post I have almost entirely read.

I will finish.

Ok finished, I’m smarter now.

[Proximal]

Beetle, I don’t think Frank needed to embellish shit to get into the mob.

[Obs]

JFK’ s dad made his $ selling whiskey during prohibition & knows people.

Robert Kennedy is breathing down the mob’s necks and Hoffa’s as well. The Teamsters bring in tens of millions which is then loaned to the mob (like to build Vegas casinos). The mob & the teamsters don’t like Robert Kennedy and does not want him to become attorney general.

The mob lost tens of millions after Castro takes Cuba, the mob wants Cuba back.

JFK wants Castro gone as well.

Kennedy’s father tells the mob, get JFK elected & I’ll handle Robert.

The mob helps throw the election, gets JFK elected.

Robert still becomes attorney general & keeps going after the mob & the teamsters.

JFK fucks up a mob/CIA organized attack on Cuba, Castro stays in business.

Lyndon Johnson does not like Robert Kennedy.

JFK dies.

The mob eliminates Oswald (Not the only shooter and could possibly talk).

Makes perfect sense to me.

The Irishman on neflix ties all this in with hoffa very similarly.

[Proximal]

The Irishman on neflix ties all this in with hoffa very similarly.

I rewatched it, it does a great job matching the book, but damn, DeNiro is miscast.

[Obs]

I rewatched it, it does a great job matching the book, but damn, DeNiro is miscast.

It was depressing at the end.

[Beetlegeuse]

I rewatched it, it does a great job matching the book, but damn, DeNiro is miscast.

He's been mailing in his performances for a long, long time.


At first I thought the de-aging CGI was horrible but I got used to it by the end.

And I hated the opening, when there's voice-over until they find Frank in his wheelchair. Then Frank in the wheelchair takes up where the voice-over stops and narrates the rest of the film. One thing I despise in films is clumsy exposition and that was as clumsily as I've ever seen exposition done.

Plus it was at least 45 minute TOO LONG.

[Proximal]

He's been mailing in his performances for a long, long time.


At first I thought the de-aging CGI was horrible but I got used to it by the end.

And I hated the opening, when there's voice-over until they find Frank in his wheelchair. Then Frank in the wheelchair takes up where the voice-over stops and narrates the rest of the film. One thing I despise in films is clumsy exposition and that was as clumsily as I've ever seen exposition done.

Plus it was at least 45 minute TOO LONG.

He went Tarantino with dialogue, which I thought added to the length & was ok with actually.

The Irishman was a 6’4” hulk, def not DeNiro.

[KINGKONG]

Feel like everyone tries to take claim to famous murders when they have books to publish..the ice man is a example..he said he killed so many mob bosses in his book..no doubt frank Sheeren killed people but Hoffa?who knows?
As far as the movie, I love mob movies!ive read every mob and true Crime book in existence and Scorsese is brilliant..casino and goodfellas some of the best movies ever made!Ive been waiting for this movie since the announcement and was kinda let down..maybe because I expected too much?it was a good movie no doubt, but it wasn’t goodfellas it wasn’t casino..I’ll probably only watch this one 10x over the years instead of the 50 I’ve watched of the others..


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[charger69]

Feel like everyone tries to take claim to famous murders when they have books to publish..the ice man is a example..he said he killed so many mob bosses in his book..no doubt frank Sheeren killed people but Hoffa?who knows?
As far as the movie, I love mob movies!ive read every mob and true Crime book in existence and Scorsese is brilliant..casino and goodfellas some of the best movies ever made!Ive been waiting for this movie since the announcement and was kinda let down..maybe because I expected too much?it was a good movie no doubt, but it wasn’t goodfellas it wasn’t casino..I’ll probably only watch this one 10x over the years instead of the 50 I’ve watched of the others..


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Glad to see you active KK!! Happy New Year brother!


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[Proximal]

Feel like everyone tries to take claim to famous murders when they have books to publish..the ice man is a example..he said he killed so many mob bosses in his book..no doubt frank Sheeren killed people but Hoffa?who knows?
As far as the movie, I love mob movies!ive read every mob and true Crime book in existence and Scorsese is brilliant..casino and goodfellas some of the best movies ever made!Ive been waiting for this movie since the announcement and was kinda let down..maybe because I expected too much?it was a good movie no doubt, but it wasn’t goodfellas it wasn’t casino..I’ll probably only watch this one 10x over the years instead of the 50 I’ve watched of the others..


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Bottom line, true or not - makes for good entertainment!

[KINGKONG]

Bottom line, true or not - makes for good entertainment!

It’s Hoffa getting killed!hell yes it’s enertaining as it gets..that guy was god back then had all that teamsters pension money to throw around
No disagreement there prox..
No doubt Frank was a killer and a heavy in the Union..I just raise a eyebrow when there is multiple stories on famous murders..If I was in prison for life or writing a book..I’d stake claim to every headline grabbing crime as well..as long as the statute was up

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[KINGKONG]

Glad to see you active KK!! Happy New Year brother!


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Charger, thanks man..figured I’d get my quarterly whoring in you know how i like true Crime couldn’t resist!
Happy new year to you as well 2020 will be a good one I feel it

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