Bruce Lee cortisone injectNs Dr. Hunter autopsy put an end to mysterious deaths.

[NiceGuyResearcher]

Bruce Lee cortisone injectNs Dr. Hunter autopsy put an end to mysterious deaths.

Anyone see Dr Hunter on like the Reelz channel and his documentaries?

Very fascinating! Especially the one on The Beach Boys' drummer Dennis Wilson's mysterious drowning and....

Bruce Lee, martial artist, athlete, lifter, actor, philosopher

The theories surrounding his death kept many people up at night wondering how a healthy, strong 32 year old Bruce Lee just dropped dead one night in Hong Kong in '73

Dr. Hunter purported that Bruce Lee after his lower back injury which he got from the good morning back exercises and 1 leg naturally being shorter than the other,

had TOO many cortisone steroid injections to deal with his back pain

It gave him jaundice and in The GAme of Death footage, Bruce's skin color is an orangey - tan which is a symptom of jaundice

All that toxic cortisone juice overload is what led to his kidney failure and cerebral edema

One other person Linda Lee's ex boyfriend Tom Bleecker also wrote about Bruce Lee overdoing the juice back in the 70s when it could be gotten at any bodybuilding gym in California where Bruce Lee lived

At the time, they probably never ran a PCT, and had little or no liver support like TUDCA or liv.52 or milk thistle etc.

I'm of the opinion and will go further than Dr. Hunter that Bruce would probably just stack a lot of roids....

In Asia, Thialand to be exact, they have the Top Shelf D-bol... the blue heart variety I think they are or the blue ovals.

Ok just thought this was interesting to share.

[lovbyts]

Does it say anywhere how many cortisone Bruce received? Ive always read to many can make the tendons brittle but nothing about liver functions. I would imagine it would have to be quite a few.

I dont think he was juicing much because he was to small. As much as he trained he would have been bigger I think.

[NiceGuyResearcher]

Not sure on what he was taking other than Cortisone. But, diuretics is one thing that Tom Bleecker mentions in "Unsettled Matters" The other less believable theory or maybe in addition to it, is that he removed his sweat glands from his armpits because he sweated a lot and that either was another sole cause or in addition to his juicing. I'm more apt to believe that once he went to Hong Kong and made it there in the film industry, he was trying every drug. "***Franco's a child when it comes to the day of the competition, im his father.....if these things are available...might as well use them" - Arnie S. in Pumping Iron lol

[wango]

Thanks Cy, but man I’m scratching my head on this. Corticosteroids sure, but honestly I know dozens of folks that have been getting injections for decades without issue. Who knows though if he got a bad dose during filming? Man, just don’t see BL using juice. He fully appreciated that speed led to his power, so strength/ size could be less. The man was relentless at training.

BTW, BL did not fight like the ass-hat in “Once Upon A Time in Hollywood”. It was an incredible imitation and scene however. Shit, ever see Brad Pitt’s physique when he’s lean? I often wonder bout him.

[NiceGuyResearcher]

Here's the documentary about 45 min. long

i'd think BL would take d-bol for strength
and a diuretic-- that would account for his shredded look.
there have been people who have died from diruetic use, look up Lasix i think off the top of my head

i'm not a hgh or a diuretic user just the basics

BL would sweat a lot and have fits of rage from all accounts during his later years

Tom Bleecker was close to him and his wife Linda Lee
His book freely available when I read it on the web in 2013 is called "Unsettled Matters," a fascinating read.

the attached documentary has a lock icon in the top left of the internet browser, meaning it should be safe and secure....

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5tkw4e

[wango]

Here's the documentary about 45 min. long

i'd think BL would take d-bol for strength
and a diuretic-- that would account for his shredded look.
there have been people who have died from diruetic use, look up Lasix i think off the top of my head

i'm not a hgh or a diuretic user just the basics

BL would sweat a lot and have fits of rage from all accounts during his later years

Tom Bleecker was close to him and his wife Linda Lee
His book freely available when I read it on the web in 2013 is called "Unsettled Matters," a fascinating read.

the attached documentary has a lock icon in the top left of the internet browser, meaning it should be safe and secure....

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5tkw4e

The book arrives tomorrow. I will see if I can locate my old JKD teacher. He was one of Brandon’s teachers & knew the family. It’s been a long while since I’ve seen him, don’t know if he’ll comment on the book even if he remembers me. Honestly, I think if anything came out about Bruce it would have to be from Danny I.

Just everything I’ve heard about him just doesn’t seem to fit with a need for AAS or PE’s. Wing Chun frowned upon strength training and size at the time as did other sports. You do not HAVE to possess strength for power that’s why BL was still so phenomenal. BL wasn’t freakishly shredded & could easily be natural, don’t buy a need for PE’s. Resistance training and knowledge about it was barely in its infancy in the 60’s and 70’s. Rage issues in Hollywood are as common as being an a-hole, it’s Hollywood.

That said, I’ll go into the book with an open mind and appreciate the book recommendation. Bless Amazon’s next day turn around, lol.

[NiceGuyResearcher]

The book arrives tomorrow. I will see if I can locate my old JKD teacher. He was one of Brandon’s teachers & knew the family. It’s been a long while since I’ve seen him, don’t know if he’ll comment on the book even if he remembers me. Honestly, I think if anything came out about Bruce it would have to be from Danny I.

Just everything I’ve heard about him just doesn’t seem to fit with a need for AAS or PE’s. Wing Chun frowned upon strength training and size at the time as did other sports. You do not HAVE to possess strength for power that’s why BL was still so phenomenal. BL wasn’t freakishly shredded & could easily be natural, don’t buy a need for PE’s. Resistance training and knowledge about it was barely in its infancy in the 60’s and 70’s. Rage issues in Hollywood are as common as being an a-hole, it’s Hollywood.

That said, I’ll go into the book with an open mind and appreciate the book recommendation. Bless Amazon’s next day turn around, lol.

wow you ordered it already. thanks, that's high praise. did you see the huge dude next to him from ETD who was in Enter The Dragon (bolo or something)? well...ha...maybe put 2 and 2 together.

I really respect Bruce Lee.... his philosophy. He was beyond his years and I wouldn't want to Ever blemish his memory and his legacy.

In fact, he did dabble in Nepalese Hashish and this is common knowlege almost.

Danny Inosanto.... such fond memories....I think i might buy some Bruce Lee stuff soon, too.

[wango]

wow you ordered it already. thanks, that's high praise. did you see the huge dude next to him from ETD who was in Enter The Dragon (bolo or something)? well...ha...maybe put 2 and 2 together.

I really respect Bruce Lee.... his philosophy. He was beyond his years and I wouldn't want to Ever blemish his memory and his legacy.

In fact, he did dabble in Nepalese Hashish and this is common knowlege almost.

Danny Inosanto.... such fond memories....I think i might buy some Bruce Lee stuff soon, too.

Of course I need to by it, sounds amazing TY! 1974 High School, watching double features of Enter the dragon & return of the dragon in a theater and watching each one twice. The crowds were packed and everyone was standing and animated. It was beyond a cool movie theater experience. You immediately made a shit load of friends all around you.

When I moved out to LA in the 80’s I took wing Chun and JKD. I love the guy, but am sure being as driven and focused as he was, he just had to have issues.

Can’t wait for the book.

Look up Bolo’s son. Yikes! A mix of Bolo’s size & BL’s definition.

Thanks again!

[NiceGuyResearcher]

I was such a fan of Bruce Lee, and still am...1 of his best films was Way of The Dragon a/k/a Return of the Dragon filmed in Italy where you have the lat spread

looks like he could pin his lats back then

and now it's good to refresh that role model button now in 2021

When he died at a young age of 32 the funeral in Hong Kong was very sad and it made me interested in Buddhism although I'm a practicing Catholic, in the sense that death isn't something to fear...energy does die it just transforms from 1 state to another state like water into ice (liquid to solid) or liquid to gas (evaporation) *so nothing really dies, it just transforms from one state into another state

I purchased every documentary, film, and book on him "Bruce Lee The Man, the Legend" and others I can't think of now.

Yes, Bolo Yeung is his name

Bruce was a complete person, family man, philosopher, deep thinker, innovator, decent person.

Younger people could use a role model like him

In fact, he's almost like the red bandana man Welles Crowther in terms of being a good role model for younger kids today.

Another related theory and this is what probably didn't help was towards the end, his workload was a lot....and the weather was super hot and humid in Hong Kong...but he really didn't help himself with all that tension on his temples. The blood vessels in his head were exerted a lot.

I think he did this exertion just like the concept of the 1 inch punch....to aid in the force of his punch. That's a lot of force to exert on his brain's blood vessels.

Time to revisit those good heroes for motivation.

[wango]

You can scratch your head if you need to, just watch out for those new scars!

I'm not saying he WAS juicing, just that if he was, it would be a shredding type drug (yeah, I know diet blah blah blah). And with his marathon training sessions, he could certainly use the added recovery offered by AAS.

The world will never know, though. /shrug

Anyhow, the first pic is not a bad lat spread for a really small guy that is not a body builder, and while he isn't shredded to the bone like some of today's beasts, that second is none too shabby.

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Yes, I’ll avoid the scar, lol

Just thought I’d put up this early fight scene for the hell of it. Small dude vs. larger, get in close, position directly in the center of the opponents body and control it, beautiful economy of motion & speed provides the power. This was a classic nod to BL and captures a lot of BL’s JKD.

It’s a shame we lost Brandon Lee as well, he was getting fun to watch on screen.

Happy Monday all!

[wango]

Interesting 1994 Muscle & Fitness article on BL and training. The man was focused!

Part 1

https://1d1f3832-6fb0-40dd-9240-5bfc...5c21a0b7f3.pdf

Part 2

https://1d1f3832-6fb0-40dd-9240-5bfc...acb1343e46.pdf


Definitely got me thinking about how obsessed he was and how linked he was to the bb community. Thinking a little differently and reconsidering.

[paulzane]

Interesting 1994 Muscle & Fitness article on BL and training. The man was focused!

Part 1

https://1d1f3832-6fb0-40dd-9240-5bfc...5c21a0b7f3.pdf

Part 2

https://1d1f3832-6fb0-40dd-9240-5bfc...acb1343e46.pdf


Definitely got me thinking about how obsessed he was and how linked he was to the bb community. Thinking a little differently and reconsidering.

Good article ..... thanks for the link!

[wango]

Very interesting book. However, I wish it was endorsed even slightly by others in the BL circle. The author was also divorced from BL’s wife & sometimes is not exactly favorable to her in the book. Bias?

Addiction to cortisone and or prednisone is rare. However the argument that BL used them chronically would make sense for a lot of what he was going through as the side effects align with him. Weight loss, weakness, sweating, muscle wasting, acne, mood swings etc. He also had a marijuana habit apparently, but in Hollywood in the circles he traveled in, who didn’t.

The fact that in each time he had his bouts of unconsciousness (the second being his death) he had just prior ingested a marijuana leaf was odd. Particularly because they never could figure out how he was getting it in China (where it was not accepted) is also bizarre. Particularly because his butler and constant live in companion disappeared without a trace after BL’s death. The whole story about the Triads sounded totally legit and appeared to be researched well. Kind of like the Mexican cartels, they did not f around with empty threats and killing was common.

I also get the bit about the epilepsy possibly causing his death, but that too is not really common.

If he was abusing corticosteroids, it does lead to adrenal insufficiency & once again, the symptoms from that exactly align with the changes he was experiencing (acne, weight loss, sweating, mood swings, etc.). Then if he gave himself an incorrect dose of corticosteroids, it can cause a massive retention of sodium and fluids in the body, which will shut a person down completely and cause massive swelling and edema (which BL also had upon his death).

The author’s claims about BL’s anabolic steroid usage doesn’t seem really well founded. For one thing he was assuming that BL had to take testosterone because he had an undescended testicle. Just because it’s undescended does not mean lower testosterone. And, if as a teen and in his 20’s he was depleted in testosterone, how could he be a bad-ass street fighter, oozing of self confidence with superhuman strength & speed. If you read books by Lance Armstrong’s teammates who very openly discuss PED usage, the amounts of anabolic steroids and HGH used were bare minimum so they could recover, yet not put on any weight at all. I just don’t want to discredit BL’s legacy by saying that it was the result of gear.

But man, his personal life sounded absolutely dreadful the final years of his life; really tragic.

Honestly, at the insane pace that he was going he likely would have turned out to be an overall orthopedic disaster by the time he got in his 40’s & not able to do a damn thing physically anymore; turn into a pain med addict and alcoholic (apparently he liked his booze) and die a slow, painful & public death which would have completely tarnished his mystique. No offense, but for his quality of life & his legacy, an early death was exactly what BL needed.

Nice guy, THANK YOU for telling me about that book! It really was incredible and answered a LOT!

RIP Bruce!

[NiceGuyResearcher]

You're right, he did divorce her and I friended him on FB and he unfriended me for probably being too much of a Democrat like JFK and LBJ. Lol, his FB posts were very right wing like the Zucker brothers' makers of Kentucky Fried Movie (a Bruce Lee spoof was in 1 episode of that cult classic) huge 180 after September 11th


I think he'd have his butler give him shots, right?

If any of us would have a butler, that's 1 of the 1st things I'd want done...inject me right so I don't get much PIP pain

He didn't have much in the way of noticeable acne. But there's ways around that like with antibiotics like amoxicillin

I think Taki Kimura his friend in seattle, WA would have a better idea, I do belive he's alive and his son Andy Kimura is on FB but he has too many friends to accept a request from me

But those closest to him his last days in HK definitely would know better than most others.

I think it was a combination of all those factors, not just 1 that killed him: the strong Nepalese hash, the hot humid weather, dhydration from removing his sweat glands, maybe running dbol for strength and winny and a diuretic, the self administration of corticosteroids, the extra pressure he put on his temples trying to go to the next level in a punch or a round house kick.

Every political science professor (and I majored in this)....says that almost all conspiracy theories do not hold water, so I'm not too sure anyone murdered him...he was too much of a "cash cow" in the long term

Maybe that sucubus Betty Ting Pei, convinced him to do some things he'd normally never ever do just like Jim Morrison's girlfriend Pam convinced him to try Heroin that night in Paris

I'm glad u enjoyed it. I like your synopsis, Wango, it was a short sweet book that I revisited on the web 2 days ago and re-read.

[wango]

I loved that movie!

[NiceGuyResearcher]

Relatively New Theory on his passing: Drinking Too Much Water in a short amount of time could have caused Cerebral Edema

In 2010 or so, a young woman in So. Cal entered a Wii (gaming wii) contest where the theme was Hold your wee for a wii or something to that effect. She drank a lot of water in a short while and experienced real bad headaches on that contest on a radio show here in California. She later sadly passed from cerebral edema where the brain swells and gets crushed against the skull

Just last year 2022 July 4th, a woman in the midwest had the same issue drinking 3 liters of water very quickly

The moral of the story is that if you want to drink a gallon of water which has all types of health benefits, maybe balance it out with an electrolyte drink like Gatorade or lemon flavored water with salt, but definitely, for sure, spread it out during the course of the day

Too much water lowers sodium in the blood causing the brain to swell

Here's the article (the intent is to avoid these injuries and to keep healthy).... almost like reading an article in a fitness magazine

https://variety.com/2022/film/news/b...ds-1235439405/

[NiceGuyResearcher]

^ In addition to the above, it was a super hot, humid day in Taiwan where they filmed / edited /dubbed Enter the Dragon....and he would have drank a lot of water probably just chugging away during the day when he was dubbing (the 1st instance of his cerebral edema at the Golden Harvest studios);

it didn't help that he eat or smoke Nepalese Hash which gave him 'cotton mouth"

After watching a marathon on Turner Classic Movies recently, the issue has been revisted, as it's both the 50th anniversary of ETD and Bruce Lee's passing

[Fluidic Kimbo]

In Asia, Thialand to be exact, they have the Top Shelf D-bol... the blue heart variety I think they are or the blue ovals.

I bought a small tub of them in Udon Thani back in 2010, and had them in my hand luggage on a flight from Bangkok to Abu Dhabi to Ireland. I literally went through security in Abu Dhabi with a tub of 500 steroid pills in my hand luggage. The security guys didn't even open my bag -- they must have seen the tub of love hearts on the Xray screen and just thought it was a tub of candy. True story. I got all the way back to Ireland with them. They probably could have put me in Muslim jail and given me lashes.

[wango]

^ In addition to the above, it was a super hot, humid day in Taiwan where they filmed / edited /dubbed Enter the Dragon....and he would have drank a lot of water probably just chugging away during the day when he was dubbing (the 1st instance of his cerebral edema at the Golden Harvest studios);

it didn't help that he eat or smoke Nepalese Hash which gave him 'cotton mouth"

After watching a marathon on Turner Classic Movies recently, the issue has been revisted, as it's both the 50th anniversary of ETD and Bruce Lee's passing

Wow - 50! Seriously, sitting in the theater, watching ETD, seems like yesterday. RIP Bruce (and Brandon).

[XnavyHMCS]

I bought a small tub of them in Udon Thani back in 2010, and had them in my hand luggage on a flight from Bangkok to Abu Dhabi to Ireland. I literally went through security in Abu Dhabi with a tub of 500 steroid pills in my hand luggage. The security guys didn't even open my bag -- they must have seen the tub of love hearts on the Xray screen and just thought it was a tub of candy. True story. I got all the way back to Ireland with them. They probably could have put me in Muslim jail and given me lashes.

Back in my "Asian Adventure" days, Thailand (Green Pharm, if I remember correctly, on Patpong Dori, downtown Bangkok) was selling pink Dbol pentagon shape, for 50 USD per 1000 tablets.

Those were the days...