I’m back you sons of bastards

[Cylon357]

ModGrf 1-29 and Ipamorelin are good GH stimulating peptides, too. I think one of SD or AG mentioned them already. My goal is to do a short (30 days or so) run of 1iu hgh in the morning, and 120mcg or so each of those two peptides in the PM right before bed or immediately post workout.

I recently tried doing them in the PM but found them too stimulating for sleep. They did not have that effect previously... anyhow, I halted that experiment and will start using 100 to 150 mcg each post workout, to try to amplify the spike we get from heavy exercise.

Something to look at, anyhow.

And my final thought before the suck that is work takes over my day: where does igf-1 lr3 fit into this conversation?

[Marsoc]

That’s what I was wondering, if the 2iu I’m taking is more then my natural production. Hell I’m 37 so I have no clue. So maybe if I let my natural production do it’s thing at night and I take it in the morning then I will be getting my natural production at night and then the extra stuff I’ll take in the morning will be added on top. Or….. will what I take in the morning still suppress my natural production at night? Plus I can’t see taking it in the morning or at times of the day since I eat so often since I’m trying to gain my muscle back. How long does this stuff need to be in your system to fully get the job done before I eat ?

PS: I don’t know much about the pharmacology of things etc, all I know how to do is throw a rubix cube of brutal training to my body, eat and rest.

[JaneDoe]

Welcome to board

[SampsonandDelilah]

Man, I remember when SampsonandDelilah first tried MK677. His description of the taste had me rolling!

But, that is the liquid. Every SARM or SARM like liquid I have tried tastes to me like paint thinner.

That said MA's somatizine is a capsule that works well and doesn't have a taste. Spelling might not be quite right but should get you close enough. It is on his supplement site I think, because he mixes just enough other known ingredients like melatonin to be able to say it is a sleep aid, not a research chemical. That's what I suspect anyhow, I don't know that for sure.

The “not for human consumption” sticker helps as well, the wife really loves seeing that one

The good news is that the labels peel off pretty easily lol

[kelkel]

That said, I think natural production for those of us more... "mature" folks .

Who you calling mature?

[Cylon357]

Who you calling mature?

I struggled with the right term there and figured the quotes would give it "special meaning"

[SampsonandDelilah]

That’s what I was wondering, if the 2iu I’m taking is more then my natural production. Hell I’m 37 so I have no clue. So maybe if I let my natural production do it’s thing at night and I take it in the morning then I will be getting my natural production at night and then the extra stuff I’ll take in the morning will be added on top. Or….. will what I take in the morning still suppress my natural production at night? Plus I can’t see taking it in the morning or at times of the day since I eat so often since I’m trying to gain my muscle back. How long does this stuff need to be in your system to fully get the job done before I eat ?

PS: I don’t know much about the pharmacology of things etc, all I know how to do is throw a rubix cube of brutal training to my body, eat and rest.

Analysis paralysis….

Go get blood work done and establish a baseline

Run your HGH both AM/PM (augment with a secretagogue and the take bloods again in 90 days)

If you’re too sedated or too activated, adjust your dosing regimen.

You can divide this thing 7 ways to Sunday and still have a different experience than anyone who has chimed in. Just like traditional hormones, there’s just too much variability to paint it with a broad brush.

Lift, eat, sleep and repeat. Take labs along the way and check in with yourself mentally and physically along your journey. Don’t over complicate it. The hard part was done for you - the math!

[JaneDoe]

Well, if you took 5iu to 10iu of HGH, would the production stop? But how do some bodybuilders manage to get away? Are they doomed to take HGH for life? Can't the thyroid recover after discontinuing use and returning to producing HGH naturally?

[almostgone]

Well, if you took 5iu to 10iu of HGH, would the production stop? But how do some bodybuilders manage to get away? Are they doomed to take HGH for life? Can't the thyroid recover after discontinuing use and returning to producing HGH naturally?

It's like S&D posted, Davi:

You can divide this thing 7 ways to Sunday and still have a different experience than anyone who has chimed in. Just like traditional hormones, there’s just too much variability to paint it with a broad brush.

That's why monitoring via labs over a period of time is so important.

[JaneDoe]

It's like S&D posted, Davi:

You can divide this thing 7 ways to Sunday and still have a different experience than anyone who has chimed in. Just like traditional hormones, there’s just too much variability to paint it with a broad brush.

That's why monitoring via labs over a period of time is so important.

Yes I understand, each body can react in a way, understand!




One more question, is it true that whoever uses HGH is also required to use insulin to give the pancreas a break and not become diabetic?

[Marsoc]

I sure hope it doesn’t knock out my natural production for good, I didn’t think I had to worry about that with hgh. I was just wondering if it suppressed my natural production while using it but assumed it would bounce back after. Son of a Bitch!!! That’s my big hesitation of cycling since I still have my natural golden gifts and don’t want lose it yet and be bound to anything

[almostgone]

I sure hope it doesn’t knock out my natural production for good, I didn’t think I had to worry about that with hgh. I was just wondering if it suppressed my natural production while using it but assumed it would bounce back after. Son of a Bitch!!! That’s my big hesitation of cycling since I still have my natural golden gifts and don’t want lose it yet and be bound to anything

Generally for low to moderate dose GH, people recover. That's the importance of lab work....to see where you are at a baseline vs where you'll be when done with your run.

Also a check after you're on for a bit to make sure you're getting product that delivers.

[almostgone]

Yes I understand, each body can react in a way, understand!




One more question, is it true that whoever uses HGH is also required to use insulin to give the pancreas a break and not become diabetic?

Not at all. Again, it varies. At 4 iu, my A1C and fasting serum glucose are well within range.

Now if you jumped on 8 iu or were competing , then metformin, etc. might be consideration.

However, if you're running at that level you'd probably be running insulin anyway

Personally, I never intend not use insulin, unless something drastically changes.

[JaneDoe]

Not at all. Again, it varies. At 4 iu, my A1C and fasting serum glucose are well within range.

Now if you jumped on 8 iu or were competing , then metformin, etc. might be consideration.

However, if you're running at that level you'd probably be running insulin anyway

Personally, I never intend not use insulin, unless something drastically changes.

Understood! What would be a low to moderate dosage of HGH that could have this recovery you mentioned?

[JaneDoe]

Not at all. Again, it varies. At 4 iu, my A1C and fasting serum glucose are well within range.

Now if you jumped on 8 iu or were competing , then metformin, etc. might be consideration.

However, if you're running at that level you'd probably be running insulin anyway

Personally, I never intend not use insulin, unless something drastically changes.

Only with high doses of HGH is used slin I understand bro thank you!

[SampsonandDelilah]

Generally for low to moderate dose GH, people recover. That's the importance of lab work....to see where you are at a baseline vs where you'll be when done with your run.

Also a check after you're on for a bit to make sure you're getting product that delivers.

Exactly…

I’m also a believer in giving my body sustained breaks as well, to allow my system to catch up and recover.

[Cylon357]

I think the half life of HGH is like 3 hours, so 15 hours after injection, it is basically out of your system. That's another reason I inject in the AM, to let that clear before the overnight pulse.

Regarding recovery, I think it is much easier than HPTA recovery from a cycle. And now with GHRH peptides, I suspect that recovery would be a snap.

Those two things combined are why I want to give the AM HGH and PM peptides a serious go at some point. Best of both worlds?


BTW, my medical training involves courses from "Dr Howard, Dr Fine, Dr Howard". I find that patients respond well when you say "whoop whoop whoop!" and spin around on your side on the floor.

[Cylon357]

BTW, actual footage of me with a patient.

[SampsonandDelilah]

BTW, actual footage of me with a patient.

Millennials are scratching their head in confusion…

[Marsoc]

I have a 45 day cycle roughly so I shouldn’t be worried and I’m not sure how to get tested.. a doctor?

[Cylon357]

I have a 45 day cycle roughly so I shouldn’t be worried and I’m not sure how to get tested.. a doctor?

Private lab testing sites are the way to go. Ultalabtests is my current fave, though I have used privatemdlabs as well. I think a lot of people prefer them, but I find the pricing just a little better in my neck of the woods with ulta.

Wherever you go, always look for discount codes.

[Marsoc]

Plus since I already started dosing there’s no way for me to find my original levels at this moment in time

[Cylon357]

Meant to add, in the HGH suppression discussion, that some people do 5 days on, 2 days off per week. There are two reasons for this. One seems to be to stretch their supply. The other is the idea that taking those two days off will allow normal production to stabilize. I don't know if this works, but is commonly recommended with GH stimulating peptides, so maybe there is something to it.

I know the peptides work through different mechanisms than exogenous HGH, just putting more info out there.

[wango]

BTW, actual footage of me with a patient.

You can’t beat the stooges (although, “The Honeymooners” weren’t too shabby as well).

On a more relevant note; why any dude that’s “mature” (meaning: no longer a spring chicken) doesn’t use TRT and low dose HGH is beyond me. For cruising, my best response was 1 iu in the early morning, 1 iu in the early afternoon. Thanks for the math lessons from the wiz-kids CY & AG.

[almostgone]

Meant to add, in the HGH suppression discussion, that some people do 5 days on, 2 days off per week. There are two reasons for this. One seems to be to stretch their supply. The other is the idea that taking those two days off will allow normal production to stabilize. I don't know if this works, but is commonly recommended with GH stimulating peptides, so maybe there is something to it.

I know the peptides work through different mechanisms than exogenous HGH, just putting more info out there.

I always run 5/2, primarily to extend the run and to take a break from remembering to inject. Like you, I've always "heard" 5/2 was the way to go and it justified me taking the weekend off from GH injections.

[SampsonandDelilah]

I always run 5/2, primarily to extend the run and to take a break from remembering to inject. Like you, I've always "heard" 5/2 was the way to go and it justified me taking the weekend off from GH injections.

“Heard” it as well from my doc…

[Quester]

Very Happy to know you're safe and that you're able to rejoin us, Brother.

[Marsoc]

Thanks, Im happy to be back in the saddle. I couldn’t make the time or eat enough even if I could workout doing tree and brick work all day but now that it’s a bit slower I’m taking full advantage. I wonder if I should stop this cycle now and get lab work done first but since I already did darn near a whole vial already at the wrong tiny doses except for the last 2@ 2iu, I’ll have to wait till my leveled normalize and take the test.

[Marsoc]

Fear not about lack of questions now that I’m here, I’ll be sure to keep you on your toes. One more question. If I’m trying to gain my mass and strength back, yes while eating as clean as I can to keep the body fat down since I can blow up fast like a suicide bomber in a public place (no offense ) will it be more beneficial to eat my slow burning protein and carbs right before bed and wake up in the middle of the night to slam a shake real fast or will it be more anabolic for me to eat then wait 2 hours and take that 2iu of hgh right before bed and then have my breakfast in the morning. I just don’t see the point of doing this hgh if it will hinder my gains more then eating will.

I would take it in the morning but I need my breakfast to combat nausea from caffeine and my add medicine I take. So my concern is that I will be eating often all day and that it will neutralize the hgh if I take it during the morning or throughout the day. Thanks and come again